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#1 gym_rat9000
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I think he is alright. His beats are sick. His lyrics are mostly just mediocre. Favorite song of his is Welcome to the Heartbreak.

What do you guys think of Kanye West?

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#2 Engrish_Major
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I think he and all of his auto-tune peers will sound very dated in about 5 years.
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#3 Ace6301
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I think Obama said it best. I'm also not a fan of his music, though he did make good material for a funny South Park episode and a decent meme.
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#4 deactivated-59913425220eb
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All I have to say is that Kanye West likes FISHSTICKS and he is not a lyrical genius
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#5 deactivated-5c37d3adcd094
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Inb4 "Yo, ___, I'm really happy for you, and I'm 'a let you finish, but ______ had one of the best _______ of all time. Of all time!" :P
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#6 gamedude2020
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i like his music and will get his new album

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#7 airg6
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Im not into rap, but I think hes a decent artist! I do think hes extremly egotistical! But, at the sametime, people give him to much crap! The day after the whole taylor swift vma situation, he appeared on leno! Leno mentioned his dead mother for god sakes. Im sorry, but that was uncalled for! Hes a human being just like the rest of us.Even if he has said some stupid things. I think people should leave the guy alone!
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#8 gym_rat9000
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All I have to say is that Kanye West likes FISHSTICKS and he is not a lyrical geniusGameGuy642003
I hate your sig. Its fine if you don't like hip hop but don't say it isn't "real music"

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#9 JML897
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Favorite song of his is Welcome to the Heartbreak.

gym_rat9000

I really like that song, but mostly for Kid Cudi's chorus.

I think he's pretty good. Sure he's a jackass, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying his stuff.

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#10 KidCudi37
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Yo, gym_rat9000, I'm really happy for you, and I'm 'a let you finish, but another OT user had one of the best 'OT Thoughts On __________' thread of all time. Of all time!
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Im not into rap, but I think hes a decent artist! I do think hes extremly egotistical! But, at the sametime, people give him to much crap! The day after the whole taylor swift vma situation, he appeared on leno! Leno mentioned his dead mother for god sakes. Im sorry, but that was uncalled for! Hes a human being just like the rest of us.Even if he has said some stupid things. I think people should leave the guy alone!airg6
agreed.

I also found it pretty stupid that Chris Brown beat the **** out of Rihanna and nobody cared but Kanye embarrasses a girl and people can't let it go.

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#12 GrandJury
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He makes some ok music but that attitude of his...
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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]All I have to say is that Kanye West likes FISHSTICKS and he is not a lyrical geniusgym_rat9000

I hate your sig. Its fine if you don't like hip hop but don't say it isn't "real music"

Hip hop isnt real music though... why would you say it is. Thats just absurd
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#14 gym_rat9000
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He makes some ok music but that attitude of his...GrandJury
yeah he does have quite the unique personality

I love this vid

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[QUOTE="airg6"]Im not into rap, but I think hes a decent artist! I do think hes extremly egotistical! But, at the sametime, people give him to much crap! The day after the whole taylor swift vma situation, he appeared on leno! Leno mentioned his dead mother for god sakes. Im sorry, but that was uncalled for! Hes a human being just like the rest of us.Even if he has said some stupid things. I think people should leave the guy alone!gym_rat9000

agreed.

I also found it pretty stupid that Chris Brown beat the **** out of Rihanna and nobody cared but Kanye embarrasses a girl and people can't let it go.

I agree! I think people just love to hate on the guy! He basically has a bandwagon of haters! Its stupid! It angers me so much how chris brown got off so lightly as well! Well, I guess thats one of the perks of being famous! You have connections and are allowed to cheat the system.It sickens me!
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[QUOTE="gym_rat9000"]

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"]All I have to say is that Kanye West likes FISHSTICKS and he is not a lyrical geniuschugachea

I hate your sig. Its fine if you don't like hip hop but don't say it isn't "real music"

Hip hop isnt real music though... why would you say it is. Thats just absurd

What's your definition of "real" music?

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#17 chugachea
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[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="gym_rat9000"]I hate your sig. Its fine if you don't like hip hop but don't say it isn't "real music"

JML897

Hip hop isnt real music though... why would you say it is. Thats just absurd

What's your definition of "real" music?

Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.
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#18 airg6
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[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="gym_rat9000"]I hate your sig. Its fine if you don't like hip hop but don't say it isn't "real music"

JML897

Hip hop isnt real music though... why would you say it is. Thats just absurd

What's your definition of "real" music?

Progressive Metal! I mean, I consider rap to be some what musical! I think its more of a form of poetry! I just dont think rapping takes very much skill to begin with!
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#19 -Sun_Tzu-
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He thinks way too highly of himself but he's made some good music, and I think he's a pretty good artist.
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#20 JML897
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[QUOTE="JML897"]

What's your definition of "real" music?

chugachea

Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.

You just described The Roots, a hip-hop group.

(The Roots are just one example, by the way. There are many more.)

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#21 NintendoNite
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he's funny
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#22 chugachea
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[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="JML897"]

What's your definition of "real" music?

JML897

Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.

You just described The Roots, a hip-hop group.

Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.
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#23 JML897
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Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music.chugachea

You didn't make that clear in your first post though. :P

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#24 gym_rat9000
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[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="chugachea"] Hip hop isnt real music though... why would you say it is. Thats just absurdchugachea

What's your definition of "real" music?

Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.

Are you kidding me? A lot of rap songs aren't auto tuned or talk about drugs, women, guns or money.

like this, thisthisthisthis and this . . .

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#25 Mercenary848
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He is alright

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#26 chugachea
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[QUOTE="chugachea"]Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music.JML897

You didn't make that clear in your first post though. :P

Well now you know :)
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#27 chugachea
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[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="JML897"]

What's your definition of "real" music?

gym_rat9000

Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.

Are you kidding me? A lot of rap songs aren't auto tuned or talk about drugs, women, guns or money.

like this, thisthisthisthis and this . . .

Did you not just read my reply to JML897???
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#28 felipebo
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He hasn't done anything good musically, and as a person he's a piece of dog poo someone threw up on.

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#29 deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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He's a decent rapper, but he's a much better producer, specifically when he works with Common
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#30 gym_rat9000
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[QUOTE="gym_rat9000"]

[QUOTE="chugachea"] Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.chugachea

Are you kidding me? A lot of rap songs aren't auto tuned or talk about drugs, women, guns or money.

like this, thisthisthisthis and this . . .

Did you not just read my reply to JML897???

ever think of the possibility that I started my post before you finished yours.

btw would have been kinda smart to put that in your original post don't you think?

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I personally can not stand him. His ego is heavier than his music and talents should allow.
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#32 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="chugachea"] Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.chugachea

You just described The Roots, a hip-hop group.

Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.

Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments.
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#33 scorch-62
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What Obama said.
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#34 chugachea
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[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="gym_rat9000"]Are you kidding me? A lot of rap songs aren't auto tuned or talk about drugs, women, guns or money.

like this, thisthisthisthis and this . . .

gym_rat9000

Did you not just read my reply to JML897???

ever think of the possibility that I started my post before you finished yours.

btw would have been kinda smart to put that in your original post don't you think?

Some one needs to take a happy pill :)
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#35 airg6
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[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="JML897"]

You just described The Roots, a hip-hop group.

-Sun_Tzu-

Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.

Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments.

But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="chugachea"] Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.airg6

Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments.

But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

THIS ^^^
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="chugachea"] Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.airg6

Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments.

But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

When rappers perform live they often perform with a live band composed of a drummer, singers, sometimes guitars, horns, ect., and rappers often exhibit a ton of emotion when performing. It's one thing to not particularly enjoy rap music - that's perfectly fine. But I think it's a bit unfair to say its not music all together.
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Yet another worthless rapper.
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[QUOTE="airg6"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments. -Sun_Tzu-

But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

When rappers perform live they often perform with a live band composed of a drummer, singers, sometimes guitars, horns, ect., and rappers often exhibit a ton of emotion when performing. It's one thing to not particularly enjoy rap music - that's perfectly fine. But I think it's a bit unfair to say its not music all together.

Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!
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Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!airg6
Its completely ridiculous to discount the values of vocals and lyrics as music. Most emotions in contemporary music comes from the tone set by the vocalist/singer/rapper and the instruments and beat is meant to reinforce that. In classical music and with contemporary composers is when you get people who are masters at manipulating emotions with instruments. A guitar conveys no more emotion than a man taping on a wall with his fingers. That's why all bands/groups/artist have or are vocalists.
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I think he has a chubby face.
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#42 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="airg6"]But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

airg6

When rappers perform live they often perform with a live band composed of a drummer, singers, sometimes guitars, horns, ect., and rappers often exhibit a ton of emotion when performing. It's one thing to not particularly enjoy rap music - that's perfectly fine. But I think it's a bit unfair to say its not music all together.

Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!

Well, rappers performing live with bands is not a rare occurrence. It happens quite often. And there are similarities between rap and poetry, but rap is much, much, much more rhythmic than poetry, and the creation of appealing beats takes a fair amount of musical talent. And if you look at the dictionary definition of "music", hip hop fits that definition perfectly fine.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="chugachea"] Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.airg6

Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments.

But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

Because you can totally recreate the beat to this with instruments right.

And I think Kanye is a great artist and I will be getting his new album later this year.

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[QUOTE="airg6"]Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!clayron
Its completely ridiculous to discount the values of vocals and lyrics as music. Most emotions in contemporary music comes from the tone set by the vocalist/singer/rapper and the instruments and beat is meant to reinforce that. In classical music and with contemporary composers is when you get people who are masters at manipulating emotions with instruments. A guitar conveys no more emotion than a man taping on a wall with his fingers. That's why all bands/groups/artist have or are vocalists.

Are you implying that instrumental music can't convey emotion? :/
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[QUOTE="airg6"]Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!clayron
Its completely ridiculous to discount the values of vocals and lyrics as music. Most emotions in contemporary music comes from the tone set by the vocalist/singer/rapper and the instruments and beat is meant to reinforce that. In classical music and with contemporary composers is when you get people who are masters at manipulating emotions with instruments. A guitar conveys no more emotion than a man taping on a wall with his fingers. That's why all bands/groups/artist have or are vocalists.

I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="airg6"]Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!airg6
Its completely ridiculous to discount the values of vocals and lyrics as music. Most emotions in contemporary music comes from the tone set by the vocalist/singer/rapper and the instruments and beat is meant to reinforce that. In classical music and with contemporary composers is when you get people who are masters at manipulating emotions with instruments. A guitar conveys no more emotion than a man taping on a wall with his fingers. That's why all bands/groups/artist have or are vocalists.

I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?

So are drums not musical now? There's very little tonality when it comes to drumming as well.
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]I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?airg6
No, I didn't say that at all.

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#48 chugachea
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[QUOTE="airg6"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments. higgydiggy

But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

Because you can totally recreate the beat to this with instruments right.

And I think Kanye is a great artist and I will be getting his new album later this year.

The question is... who is their right mind would want to? The first minute of the song is a synthesized beat with some lady saying "flashing lights" over and over.
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#49 clayron
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[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="airg6"]Actually, rarely do I see rappers perform live with bands! At most they might have backup singers and a drummer! But, I usually just see the rapper and a dj who has the beat and samples playing in the background! I dont think a person talking into a mic should be considered music. Like I said before, its more of a form of poetry than anything!iamdisappointed
Its completely ridiculous to discount the values of vocals and lyrics as music. Most emotions in contemporary music comes from the tone set by the vocalist/singer/rapper and the instruments and beat is meant to reinforce that. In classical music and with contemporary composers is when you get people who are masters at manipulating emotions with instruments. A guitar conveys no more emotion than a man taping on a wall with his fingers. That's why all bands/groups/artist have or are vocalists.

Are you implying that instrumental music can't convey emotion? :/

No, I did not say that.

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#50 chugachea
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="clayron"] Its completely ridiculous to discount the values of vocals and lyrics as music. Most emotions in contemporary music comes from the tone set by the vocalist/singer/rapper and the instruments and beat is meant to reinforce that. In classical music and with contemporary composers is when you get people who are masters at manipulating emotions with instruments. A guitar conveys no more emotion than a man taping on a wall with his fingers. That's why all bands/groups/artist have or are vocalists.

I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?

So are drums not musical now? There's very little tonality when it comes to drumming as well.

But they take talent to play well. Not just anyone can sit down and start wailing on the drums and look like a pro, where as anyone off the street can sing into a microphone and have it auto tuned and distorted and have it sound perfect (example: Ke$ha)