OT Thoughts On Kanye West

[QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

[QUOTE="airg6"]But, youre not really physically playing them! Its not the same at all! There is so much more emotion when an actual human is playing the instrument instead of using something else to play it for you. Like, take for instance, look up hope leaves live by Opeth! You can see and feel the emotion of Mikael Akerfeldt(guitarist/vocalist)when he plays the guitar! There is a huge difference between using a computer or drum machine and actually playing an instrument!

chugachea

Because you can totally recreate the beat to this with instruments right.

And I think Kanye is a great artist and I will be getting his new album later this year.

But according to you it took no ammount of skill because it's made on a computer right. What kind of software do you use where it magically makes beats with ease?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="airg6"]I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?chugachea

[QUOTE="chugachea"][QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

Because you can totally recreate the beat to this with instruments right.

And I think Kanye is a great artist and I will be getting his new album later this year.

higgydiggy

But according to you it took no ammount of skill because it's made on a computer right. What kind of software do you use where it magically makes beats with ease?

Calling anything Ke$ha music is an insult to music.clayron

[QUOTE="clayron"]Calling anything Ke$ha music is an insult to music.iamdisappointed

If you read what I said, I did say"Talking", Drums take actual talent to play! Talking into a mic does not. Nor is it musical in any way. Like I said, rap is a form of poetry. Its not music!! Drums add to the music! You cant make a drumset speak poetry either sir! :Oairg6

mu·sic (myzk) n.

1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

2. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="clayron"]Calling anything Ke$ha music is an insult to music.chrisPperson

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="airg6"]I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?chugachea

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="clayron"]Calling anything Ke$ha music is an insult to music.chrisPperson

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="chugachea"] Im not saying all hip hop groups arent real music. Just a large majority of hip hop/rap musicians shouldnt be able to have their work considered real music because everything in the song is computer generated and takes no instrumental talent. I love eminem for instance, but that isnt music, i see it as more of poetry.airg6

who cares if they're physically playing them?!? just as much hard work and emotion goes into making a great hip hop beat as it does making a "progressive metal" song. listen to the link i provided and you will realize how foolish you sound. you wanna talk about emotion....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQUm8EZLjoo

[QUOTE="chrisPperson"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]I hate to say it, but it is music really iamdisappointed

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="airg6"]I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?airg6

[QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

[QUOTE="chugachea"] The question is... who is their right mind would want to? The first minute of the song is a synthesized beat with some lady saying "flashing lights" over and over.airg6

But according to you it took no ammount of skill because it's made on a computer right. What kind of software do you use where it magically makes beats with ease?

Alright then recreate something like this by tomorrow.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="airg6"]If you read what I said, I did say"Talking", Drums take actual talent to play! Talking into a mic does not. Nor is it musical in any way. Like I said, rap is a form of poetry. Its not music!! Drums add to the music! You cant make a drumset speak poetry either sir! :Oclayron

[QUOTE="airg6"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Producing good songs with a computer, a sampler, ect. still takes a lot of instrumental talent. These things are still instruments. lazerface216

who cares if they're physically playing them?!? just as much emotion goes into making a great hip hop beat as it does making a "progressive metal" song. listen to the link i provided and you will realize how foolish you sound. you wanna talk about emotion....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQUm8EZLjoo

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

But according to you it took no ammount of skill because it's made on a computer right. What kind of software do you use where it magically makes beats with ease?

higgydiggy

Alright then recreate something like this by tomorrow.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

But according to you it took no ammount of skill because it's made on a computer right. What kind of software do you use where it magically makes beats with ease?

higgydiggy

Alright then recreate something like this by tomorrow.

[QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

[QUOTE="chugachea"]I beg to differ sir!So basically, your saying, talking using no tonality should be considered musical?airg6

I could dude! Would you like to see me?

Let your work do the talking, but I highly doubt you will be able to do it within a day. Do you know exactly how much somebody gets paid to make a beat like that? They can make a living off of it, feeding their family, living in luxury, and it takes more work than just one day. It takes weeks, months even. Good luck.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="higgydiggy"] So are drums not musical now? There's very little tonality when it comes to drumming as well.chrisPperson

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[QUOTE="airg6"]If you read what I said, I did say"Talking", Drums take actual talent to play! Talking into a mic does not. Nor is it musical in any way. Like I said, rap is a form of poetry. Its not music!! Drums add to the music! You cant make a drumset speak poetry either sir! :Oiamdisappointed

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="chrisPperson"] Rap is music. I would like you to define exactly what music is, because apparently to you, music is just changing pitches and tones. Then I could argue that your definition is not music, and instead say that flow and rhythm is what defines music. I don't see why saying something with different pitches makes it any more affecting than if I were to say it with just flow and a different tone of voice. Please explain "music" to me.chrisPperson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UZd_DKs2Q This is "Real" music that actually takes skill to play. This one song holds more emotion than every rap song to ever exist combined! Just listen to the solo! airg6

i LOVE between the buried and me and yes it takes skill to play but i still don't see how that's any more creative or emotional than the song i posted.

[QUOTE="chrisPperson"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]'changing pitches and tones' is an excellent definition of music, as it happens. And music is nothing without the use of pitch. Anyone can string together a series of note values. With the use of tonality, harmony and melody comes counterpoint, more sophisticated means of of structure and also more compositional challenge.iamdisappointed

[QUOTE="airg6"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UZd_DKs2Q This is "Real" music that actually takes skill to play. This one song holds more emotion than every rap song to ever exist combined! Just listen to the solo! iamdisappointed

LOL "above rap", GTFO...

He's one of, if not, the best mainstream rapper right now most likely...

He's sick. Outside of 808's he has three great albums and one of those is a cIassic.

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]That's also nothing special. Above rap, of course, but mediocre stuff nonetheless.iamdisappointed

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="airg6"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UZd_DKs2Q This is "Real" music that actually takes skill to play. This one song holds more emotion than every rap song to ever exist combined! Just listen to the solo! lazerface216

LOL "above rap", GTFO...

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"][QUOTE="airg6"]Are you kidding me? Thats one of the most emotional solos ive ever heard! Not to mention one of the greatest songs of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1airg6

Using more than one exclamation point = us perceiving you as this kid

Just saying :P

[QUOTE="airg6"][QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]...can I take those exclamation marks as evidence that you're being ironic? I do hope so.chrisPperson

Using more than one exclamation point = us perceiving you as this kid

Just saying :P

I think he and all of his auto-tune peers will sound very dated in about 5 years.Engrish_Major

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[QUOTE="chugachea"] Any artist or band that produces music that requires some musical ability to play and doesnt involve having your voice auto tuned or talking in rythm about drugs, women, guns, and cash money.chugachea

You just described The Roots, a hip-hop group.

I don't care about him, or what he does to other artists.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="iamdisappointed"]That's also nothing special. Above rap, of course, but mediocre stuff nonetheless.iamdisappointed

LOL "above rap", GTFO...

LMFAO!!!

oh yeah, hip hop producers never make use of harmony, tonality and melody :roll: too bad you have no idea what you are talking about and know nothing about what hip hop is - do bear that in mind though...

Onlything i like is "stronger' by him and the taylor swift incident

I hate kanye he sucks his lyrics are laughable and his beats sound the same never understood his popularity

Hold up i'm going to let you finish your forum topic, but you didn't have the best forum topic of the day. :D

I hate kanye he sucks his lyrics are laughable and his beats sound the same never understood his popularitymusalala