Our Government: Evil or Incompetent?

braindead

The government is imperfect, not incompetent. Anyone who thinks the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any kind of authority.

jimkabrhel

They're not terrible compared to other governments in the world, but they're not above doing some f*cked up things that wouldn't/shouldn't be tolerated by an average person.

The government is imperfect, not incompetent. Anyone who thinks the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any kind of authority.

jimkabrhel

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The government is imperfect, not incompetent. Anyone who thinks the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any kind of authority.

TigerWars

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The government is imperfect, not incompetent. Anyone who thinks the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any kind of authority.

Makhaidos

Good counter-point my friend.

You forgot to tell me to take my tin foil hat off.

neither.

also lol at people with minimum wage jobs criticising a high skill job.

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The government is imperfect, not incompetent. Anyone who thinks the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any kind of authority.

Makhaidos

REAAAALLLLY creapy.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="TigerWars"] Anyone who doesn't think the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any type of accountability for the actions of their government.TigerWars

Good counter-point my friend.

You forgot to tell me to take my tin foil hat off.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking that a lot of the hardcore libertarians seem like the sort to be upset in their supposedly ideal setting. MakeMeaSammitch

REAAAALLLLY creapy.

It hard for an organization to actually be evil if every single one of it's ruling members is completely incompetent. They may do evil things but it's only a result of pure stupidity. ferrari2001

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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] I see. And how long do you estimate it'll be before the CIA kidnaps you in a burlap sack and throws you in the ocean for your dissent?Makhaidos

Good counter-point my friend.

You forgot to tell me to take my tin foil hat off.

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Good counter-point my friend.

You forgot to tell me to take my tin foil hat off.

TigerWars

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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Their patron saint Ayn Rand benefited from social security/medicare.Makhaidos

REAAAALLLLY creapy.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]she also had a creepy sex life.

REAAAALLLLY creapy.

MakeMeaSammitch

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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Well, I'd be a hypocrite and a half to criticize her for that. >_>Makhaidos

Incompetence: Opposing parties refuse to cooperate with eachother, and only work for thier own political gain, creating a system in which important issues hardly see any kind of resolutions. Adding to this, nearly all are corrupt and work in a deeply corrupt system in which lobbyists control their votes and corporations fund thier campaigns. Though some politicians have honorable intentions (your team!), there is always some check or balance in government that prevents them from accompishing meaningful legislation (damn other team!)

 

Evil: A shadow government, or a concealed third-party (think the Emperor from Star Wars), pull strings from behind the scenes. Disallowing any important issues from seeing any kind of resolution to keep the people divided and bickering. The only legislation or major policy decisions that come to light are ones that serve its intentions (Oil, Money Power). Having control over all major banks and corporations (news media, food, military industrial complex, music, hollywood etc.) , they sculpt society as they see fit and even control the government through the guise of lobbyists and special interest groups.

 

The first seems much more rational but I challenge people to consider if the second option is truly impossible? Couldn't it be true? What wouldn't be possible with unlimited money?

TigerWars

I think it's corrupt. Evil implies the sentient choosing to violate a societal moral or value despite knowing what is accepted and desired by the majority. Corrupt implies wickedness, which is to be twisted in a thought process so that you think you are doing at least some good, when in reality, you aren't.

"Evil" is a childish and subjective term that is overused when describing faceless organizations like Governments. There is no such thing as an evil government, just a government making use of its power.

why do people keep voting in people they don't like?

"Evil" is a childish and subjective term that is overused when describing faceless organizations like Governments. There is no such thing as an evil government, just a government making use of its power.

The_Power_of_X

2a. Who the **** would speak out on such a powerful force if they found its existence. They can ridicule and kill your reputation through the media. They can murder you. They can murder your family. They can offer you millions of dollars to stay quiet. You have too much faith in the honor of the average person when faced against such an entity.

7. ...See 2a. Also there have been a number of celebrities and public figures (Dave Chapelle, Tupac, Michael Jackson, Woody Harrelson, Lupe Fiasco, Mark Ruffalo) that speak out on them but the general populace (informed by the media) thinks of them only as "CrAaAaZZzy CoOoNnNSpIraCists!! LOLOLOL"

TigerWars

Are you saying thay Dave Chapelle, Lupe Fiasco and Woody Harrelson have more honour and a hell of a lot more courage than the average person? Are they mankind's greatest hope against total domination by the New World Order? Have they somehow avoided the wrath of the NWO-controlled media and gotten off with a light tap on the wrist whilst retaining their very successful careers?

Neither. It is the force that keeps our country together. It is our parent, our lover, and our brother. It is here to protect us and uphold Justice. Capitan_Kid

How does it make you feel that it protected Zimmerman?

Anyway, it has some of both.

why do people keep voting in people they don't like?

MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="famicommander"] Government by nature relies on theft for the perpetuation of its existence. There is no conspiracy theory necessary; they are an organization that is defined and perpetuated by violence. famicommander

Anarchy is never going to work. Give it up.

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Hahaha, you're one of those people who think taxation is theft.WiiCubeM1

Anarchy is never going to work. Give it up.

I do believe that most of their intentions are good, though they get a little carried away and fail to take a step back and look at what the implecations are.  It makes the incompetent and gives the perception that they are evil.  

government by definiton is evil. minute differences between parties do nothing the status quo is maintained

The government is imperfect, not incompetent. Anyone who thinks the US government is evil is either delusional, or has a personality that refuses any kind of authority.

jimkabrhel

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why do people keep voting in people they don't like?

wis3boi

This forum is always whining about how awful the government is, but this age group has incredibly low voter turn out. So this itt a lot of complaining by people who don't vote.

Governments tend to be incompetent when the vast majority of citizens vote without thinking. The future remains bleak as long as people continue on with blindly following the words of politicians, biased scientists and media. I hear alot of complaining, but that changes nothing when there is no one to stand up and act. It seems that the western world has become lazy when it comes to politics.

Incompetent isn't the word I'd use. I'd say its more like everyone's too stubborn. Both political parties just like to block whatever action the other side takes, which means nothing meaningful gets done, and everything just turns into a pissing contest. Apparently all the politicians are afraid of trying to do something to benefit the country they live in, just because the other side came up with an idea and they didn't.

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why do people keep voting in people they don't like?

MakeMeaSammitch

That's a good idea, but how exactly do we demand better candidates?

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"] all the options suckEnoshimaJunko

That's a good idea, but how exactly do we demand better candidates?

Simple example. Everybody says they care about the economy more than anything, but they vote along lines of abortion/gay rights, (for or against)

Maybe people should actually back up what they say for a start.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]maybe if people demanded better candidates, they would get them, but they don't.

MakeMeaSammitch

That's a good idea, but how exactly do we demand better candidates?

Simple example. Everybody says they care about the economy more than anything, but they vote along lines of abortion/gay rights, (for or against)

Maybe people should actually back up what they say for a start.

Or maybe we should just get rid of the dreaded two party system

The "U.S. government" is not evil, but some parts of it are incompetent.

Err, I'm sure there are way worse governments and countries than the USA. Like 150 worse ones.