Owning a firearm in the UK.

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

things get taken too seriously in my country

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

HyperWarlock

yes lets just let criminals roam about with deadly weapons:roll:

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

clyde46

The guy only owned one, it was never used. They just recieved a tip off that he had a gun...

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

HyperWarlock

The guy only owned one, it was never used. They just recieved a tip off that he had a gun...

Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.clyde46

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

Damn all that for a gunBucked20

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.RationalAtheist

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

yes lets just let criminals roam about with deadly weapons:roll:

toast_burner

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.Allicrombie

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.RationalAtheist

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunsexyweapons

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunsexyweapons

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

Look how cops do folks over here with knives,they don't even use rubber bullets anymore

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

toast_burner

That's a misleading argument. The UK has historically had very low gun related crimes, even before the strict gun regulation laws.cslayer211

I wasn't aware I was making an argument - only stating some data about UK gun ownership and gun crime.

Gun regulation has always been fairly strict in the UK.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

That's a misleading argument. The UK has historically had very low gun related crimes, even before the strict gun regulation laws.RationalAtheist

I wasn't aware I was making an argument - only stating some data about UK gun ownership and gun crime.

Gun regulation has always been fairly strict in the UK.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

That's a misleading argument. The UK has historically had very low gun related crimes, even before the strict gun regulation laws.RationalAtheist

I wasn't aware I was making an argument - only stating some data about UK gun ownership and gun crime.

Gun regulation has always been fairly strict in the UK.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.Allicrombie

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]

That's a misleading argument. The UK has historically had very low gun related crimes, even before the strict gun regulation laws.Allicrombie

I wasn't aware I was making an argument - only stating some data about UK gun ownership and gun crime.

Gun regulation has always been fairly strict in the UK.

Well you kind of did when you talked about how low the gun related crimes is, implying that the strict gun laws were the reason for this.cslayer211

The two do go hand-in-hand. There is no argument, only data. UK Gun laws have always been strict, so your assertion of low rates before strict controls has no factual basis.

Trust me, you dont want to live in this country. Standard of living is the worst in the EU.clyde46

It's actually the 2nd highest, statistically speaking.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]Well you kind of did when you talked about how low the gun related crimes is, implying that the strict gun laws were the reason for this.RationalAtheist

The two do go hand-in-hand. There is no argument, only data. UK Gun laws have always been strict, so your assertion of low rates before strict controls has no factual basis.

Trust me, you dont want to live in this country. Standard of living is the worst in the EU.clyde46

It's actually the 2nd highest, statistically speaking.

No they haven't. "The United Kingdom historically had one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world even before gun control legislation became stricter from the late twentieth century." this is from your own source lolcslayer211

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

toast_burner

[QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

It's actually the 2nd highest, statistically speaking.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.RationalAtheist

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

Yeah but in the UK you guys make up for your shooting deaths with stabbing deaths.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"] You try to take guns away from people in the U.S and there will be riots.LJS9502_basic

No, it wasn't that strict. There was some legislation relate to gun control, but nothing like it is modern day. You even need a license for an airsoft gun... ridiculous.cslayer211

You've always needed to apply to the police for a firearms licence and have an inpection from them. You also need to be a member of a gun club. These policies are quite old.

You also don't need a licence for airsoft, or for air pistols (up to 6 ft lbs) and air rifles up to 12 ft lbs). I don't know where you get your facts from. They have recently upped the minimum age for air-weapon ownership though.

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]No they haven't. "The United Kingdom historically had one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world even before gun control legislation became stricter from the late twentieth century." this is from your own source loltoast_burner

exactly. There have been measures in place going back to the sixteenth century. Since those days guns have become far more deadly and efficient, cheaper, mass produced, and so it has been necessary to introduce further measures to keep pace with this.

It's quite simple really. When gun proliferation in society is low, you will have less gun-related incidents.

Glad I don't have to do that here. I show my ID, submit to a background check and hand the guy the money. Then I walk out with a shiny new toy.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.NailedGR

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

Yeah but in the UK you guys make up for your shooting deaths with stabbing deaths.

I'd sooner be up against a guy with a knife. You can kick, punch, run away. The guy with a gun can pull the trigger from a distance, you have no chance to fight back. Guns make it too easy. The guy with the knife actually has to put a bit of effort into killing you. He has to be either crazy or determined. With a gun, all it takes is a finger twitch.

Sure, with easy gun access you can have your own gun to 'defend yourself'. But that's only much use if you happen to have it on you at the time, and manage to draw your weapon in time. And do we really want to live in a society where people feel the need to carry a gun at all times? I don't even like having to carry my fone all the time, never mind a loaded weapon.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]Nevermind, didnt watch the video. You can own in this country except there are strict regulations that you must adire to. Given whats just happened in Mancester.RationalAtheist

You can't own a hand-gun (except for muzzle-loading historical firearms). Thank goodness for gun laws too - the UK has one of the lowest firearms murder rates in the world:

In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2

Source

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So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

things get taken too seriously in my country

HyperWarlock

Glad I don't have to do that here. I show my ID, submit to a background check and hand the guy the money. Then I walk out with a shiny new toy.

ScorpionTroll

[QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

Glad I don't have to do that here. I show my ID, submit to a background check and hand the guy the money. Then I walk out with a shiny new toy.

Ravensmash

Wow, we have the same problem in the states. Except only if you have some drugs. Or maybe you don't but who cares, they might break into your house by accident.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

Glad I don't have to do that here. I show my ID, submit to a background check and hand the guy the money. Then I walk out with a shiny new toy.

ScorpionTroll

It's a tool, not a toy. As long as you are fully aware of this, all is fine. Some act like their firearms are toys, which may have given him (raven) the impression that he received.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

Glad I don't have to do that here. I show my ID, submit to a background check and hand the guy the money. Then I walk out with a shiny new toy.

ScorpionTroll

[QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I wouldn't consider a firearm a 'toy' to be honest, but maybe that's just me?!Brosephus_Rex

It's a tool, not a toy. As long as you are fully aware of this, all is fine. Some act like their firearms are toys, which may have given him (raven) the impression that he received.

[QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I wouldn't consider a firearm a 'toy' to be honest, but maybe that's just me?!Brosephus_Rex

It's a tool, not a toy. As long as you are fully aware of this, all is fine. Some act like their firearms are toys, which may have given him (raven) the impression that he received.

I don't see it that way, not anymore. It's purely a weapon that can be used to maim and kill another living being. That said, I still oppose any attempts to ban guns. Prohibition, in general, doesn't work. Also, I like going to target practice.

[QUOTE="ScorpionTroll"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I wouldn't consider a firearm a 'toy' to be honest, but maybe that's just me?!Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunsexyweapons

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

This makes sense. In Canada, on a ride along (i'm working toward becoming a police officer), there were about 13 officers for a fight which broke out, with an individual armed with a kitchen knife. It's overwhelming force.

It's kinda funny how the police are yelling at him and he tells them to fvck off.

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

things get taken too seriously in my country

HyperWarlock

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

things get taken too seriously in my country

The_Gaming_Baby

This.

American gun lovers are always claiming that the more guns people have the less crime there is, personally I have doubts about this.

[QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

things get taken too seriously in my country

tenaka2

This.

American gun lovers are always claiming that the more guns people have the less crime there is, personally I have doubts about this.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"] I don't want Guns to become legal in England. And they never will be. And that is a very good thingLJS9502_basic

This.

American gun lovers are always claiming that the more guns people have the less crime there is, personally I have doubts about this.

Thanks for that, I didn't think my post needed an example of the mindset but I appreciate it all the same.