Owning a firearm in the UK.

[QUOTE="The_Gaming_Baby"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

So people in the US are allowed a gun in their house, no problem at all. Yet this is what happens if you have one in the uk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wQIYrNrxwI&t=4m22s

things get taken too seriously in my country

tenaka2

This.

American gun lovers are always claiming that the more guns people have the less crime there is, personally I have doubts about this.

I would like to go to England, but becuase they don't let you own guns I would never live there. Gun ownership is important to me, I feel safer with a gun than without. However I do support some gun control measuers such as background checks, I also believe in mental health checks and fire arm safety training as well.

IMO Hunter Saftey and Hand Gun Saftey should be required. There are a lot of dumbasses out there who get guns and think it makes them "cool" and don't even know how to properuly handle them.

But banning guns is a HUGE mistake. If I lived in England I would just buy a gun through other means....

I would like to go to England, but becuase they don't let you own guns I would never live there. Gun ownership is important to me, I feel safer with a gun than without. However I do support some gun control measuers such as background checks, I also believe in mental health checks and fire arm safety training as well.

IMO Hunter Saftey and Hand Gun Saftey should be required. There are a lot of dumbasses out there who get guns and think it makes them "cool" and don't even know how to properuly handle them.

But banning guns is a HUGE mistake. If I lived in England I would just buy a gun through other means....

ShadowMoses900

Guns aren't banned, they're just heavily regulated. Hand guns are banned as they have no purpose other than to commit crimes with.

toast_burner

If they have no purpose other than to commit crimes with, how do I go the range with mine without breaking any laws? How do police across the world use them without breaking laws?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I would like to go to England, but becuase they don't let you own guns I would never live there. Gun ownership is important to me, I feel safer with a gun than without. However I do support some gun control measuers such as background checks, I also believe in mental health checks and fire arm safety training as well.

IMO Hunter Saftey and Hand Gun Saftey should be required. There are a lot of dumbasses out there who get guns and think it makes them "cool" and don't even know how to properuly handle them.

But banning guns is a HUGE mistake. If I lived in England I would just buy a gun through other means....

toast_burner

I have hand guns. I haven't commited any crimes with them. What was your point again?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I would like to go to England, but becuase they don't let you own guns I would never live there. Gun ownership is important to me, I feel safer with a gun than without. However I do support some gun control measuers such as background checks, I also believe in mental health checks and fire arm safety training as well.

IMO Hunter Saftey and Hand Gun Saftey should be required. There are a lot of dumbasses out there who get guns and think it makes them "cool" and don't even know how to properuly handle them.

But banning guns is a HUGE mistake. If I lived in England I would just buy a gun through other means....

ShadowMoses900

I have hand guns. I haven't commited any crimes with them. What was your point again?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Guns aren't banned, they're just heavily regulated. Hand guns are banned as they have no purpose other than to commit crimes with.

toast_burner

I have hand guns. I haven't commited any crimes with them. What was your point again?

You said you can't have hand guns. How do you defend yourself then?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have hand guns. I haven't commited any crimes with them. What was your point again?

ShadowMoses900

You said you can't have hand guns. How do you defend yourself then?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]We can have guns, the guns we can have is just limited.

toast_burner

You said you can't have hand guns. How do you defend yourself then?

Criminals, attackers, racists, rapists trying to harm a woman....you know, bad people.

Criminals ALWAYS have weapons because they get them through the black market, they don't follow the rules to begin with. All you're doing when you ban guns is keeping them out of the hands of law abiding civilians and just giving the criminals more power. Criminals love strict gun control, it gives them more power.

The only people who support gun bans are criminals, politicians who want power, and very naive people. Which one are you?

The biggest thing I see when people argue against guns is that guns = crime. This isn't true. It is true that guns are used if they are available, but crime is going to happen anyways, guns or not.

If you look at overall crime rates, the US is a bit higher than average but it's not terribly higher. Homicide rates have been falling for a decade now too. In general, the US is becoming safer each year despite having guns available.

It's also foolish to say if everybody had guns there would be no gun crimes.

So really the fight needs to be against crime, which is primarily created through economic factors.

I think the UK has some silly gun laws and a really bad stigma against them. It works for them sure, but I don't have to agree with it.

I think if it went to refrendum you would be lucky to get 5% of people in the UK supporting leagalising guns. Even if they were legal no one would buy them apart from criminals, it's just not the British mentality.

I think if it went to refrendum you would be lucky to get 5% of people in the UK supporting leagalising guns. Even if they were legal no one would buy them apart from criminals, it's just not the British mentality.

MattDistillery

yup there is even stories of a women getting raped in her own house. She had a gun and shot him. She's the one gets in trouble for defending her self...

crimes skyrocketed in Uk when UK gun ban went into effect.

Criminals, attackers, racists, rapists trying to harm a woman....you know, bad people.

Criminals ALWAYS have weapons because they get them through the black market, they don't follow the rules to begin with. All you're doing when you ban guns is keeping them out of the hands of law abiding civilians and just giving the criminals more power. Criminals love strict gun control, it gives them more power.

The only people who support gun bans are criminals, politicians who want power, and very naive people. Which one are you?

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Criminals, attackers, racists, rapists trying to harm a woman....you know, bad people.

Criminals ALWAYS have weapons because they get them through the black market, they don't follow the rules to begin with. All you're doing when you ban guns is keeping them out of the hands of law abiding civilians and just giving the criminals more power. Criminals love strict gun control, it gives them more power.

The only people who support gun bans are criminals, politicians who want power, and very naive people. Which one are you?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Criminals, attackers, racists, rapists trying to harm a woman....you know, bad people.

Criminals ALWAYS have weapons because they get them through the black market, they don't follow the rules to begin with. All you're doing when you ban guns is keeping them out of the hands of law abiding civilians and just giving the criminals more power. Criminals love strict gun control, it gives them more power.

The only people who support gun bans are criminals, politicians who want power, and very naive people. Which one are you?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="MattDistillery"]

I think if it went to refrendum you would be lucky to get 5% of people in the UK supporting leagalising guns. Even if they were legal no one would buy them apart from criminals, it's just not the British mentality.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Criminals, attackers, racists, rapists trying to harm a woman....you know, bad people.

Criminals ALWAYS have weapons because they get them through the black market, they don't follow the rules to begin with. All you're doing when you ban guns is keeping them out of the hands of law abiding civilians and just giving the criminals more power. Criminals love strict gun control, it gives them more power.

The only people who support gun bans are criminals, politicians who want power, and very naive people. Which one are you?

toast_burner

Lol what? They only use knives? You are in the naive crowd for sure.

And guns save lives all the time: Fact Sheet: Guns Save More Lives

In a real life situation a gun won't help you much. Most criminals don't have guns, they use knives instead. They pretty much always get you by surprise, you won't have enough time to draw your gun.

toast_burner

Don't be stupid. Coming from someone who has never drawn a gun in a "real life" situation, your opinion counts for nothing.

It isn't hard, in the slightest, to get your gun out and start firing at someone coming at you. It falls in a category we call instinctual shooting: When someone is that close we don't even need to aim down the sights.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

In a real life situation a gun won't help you much. Most criminals don't have guns, they use knives instead. They pretty much always get you by surprise, you won't have enough time to draw your gun.

airshocker

Don't be stupid. Coming from someone who has never drawn a gun in a "real life" situation, your opinion counts for nothing.

It isn't hard, in the slightest, to get your gun out and start firing at someone coming at you. It falls in a category we call instinctual shooting: When someone is that close we don't even need to aim down the sights.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MattDistillery"]

I think if it went to refrendum you would be lucky to get 5% of people in the UK supporting leagalising guns. Even if they were legal no one would buy them apart from criminals, it's just not the British mentality.

MattDistillery

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunBucked20

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

Look how cops do folks over here with knives,they don't even use rubber bullets anymore

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Criminals, attackers, racists, rapists trying to harm a woman....you know, bad people.

Criminals ALWAYS have weapons because they get them through the black market, they don't follow the rules to begin with. All you're doing when you ban guns is keeping them out of the hands of law abiding civilians and just giving the criminals more power. Criminals love strict gun control, it gives them more power.

The only people who support gun bans are criminals, politicians who want power, and very naive people. Which one are you?

ShadowMoses900

Lol what? They only use knives? You are in the naive crowd for sure.

And guns save lives all the time: Fact Sheet: Guns Save More Lives

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunlundy86_4

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

This makes sense. In Canada, on a ride along (i'm working toward becoming a police officer), there were about 13 officers for a fight which broke out, with an individual armed with a kitchen knife. It's overwhelming force.

What part of "they get you by surprise" don't you understand? You can't just open fire at every group of teens that walks past you.

toast_burner

Considering a knife will not kill somebody with a single stab(unless wielded by an expert), that's still plenty of time for me to put a few bullets into them.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I would like to go to England, but becuase they don't let you own guns I would never live there. Gun ownership is important to me, I feel safer with a gun than without. However I do support some gun control measuers such as background checks, I also believe in mental health checks and fire arm safety training as well.

IMO Hunter Saftey and Hand Gun Saftey should be required. There are a lot of dumbasses out there who get guns and think it makes them "cool" and don't even know how to properuly handle them.

But banning guns is a HUGE mistake. If I lived in England I would just buy a gun through other means....

ShadowMoses900

I have hand guns. I haven't commited any crimes with them. What was your point again?

"I want to see some I.D now" LOL

"I want to see some I.D now" LOL

Postmortem123

Lmao I know that was ridiculous.

I live in London and everything is more of a concern with knives and other objects of the sort.

It's only guns I just only HEAR about

Seriously when it comes to self-defence guns aren't your only option. Maybe take a few krav-maga classes? No need to unsheathe a knife or reach for a gun when your BODY is a weapon.

Based on the things I have read in this thread.. I demand drive a tank.. Car accidents have a greater chance of taking my life than any threat needing a gun, I demand that I get to drive a tank to guarantee my safety. Join the NTA! Together we can all drive tanks!sSubZerOo

omg we can have little tank rallies and convoys

and go to protests in DC together forever < 3

ima jack mah tank up 'cuz my balls r huuuuge

Seriously when it comes to self-defence guns aren't your only option. Maybe take a few krav-maga classes? No need to unsheathe a knife or reach for a gun when your BODY is a weapon.

FutonSentinal62

No need to unsheathe a knife or reach for a gun when your BODY is a weapon.

FutonSentinal62

Your BODY is also a bullet sponge, what's your point?

[QUOTE="cslayer211"]Well you kind of did when you talked about how low the gun related crimes is, implying that the strict gun laws were the reason for this.RationalAtheist

The two do go hand-in-hand. There is no argument, only data. UK Gun laws have always been strict, so your assertion of low rates before strict controls has no factual basis.

Trust me, you dont want to live in this country. Standard of living is the worst in the EU.clyde46

It's actually the 2nd highest, statistically speaking.

I support the strict gun laws in my country, although a side effect of this is that there is much more knife crime.

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunsexyweapons

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

Wow do I really have to spell it out for you? If you are properly trained to defend yourself without the assistance of a firearm or knife. Then you won't need a gun or knife in most situations. Get off the fps's dudebro, and read some more.

All those officers for ONE guy....all our cops need have done is shoot him with a tazer and then apprehend him,would have only taken about four officers at most.sexyweapons

It limits collateral damage to an absolute minimum. It's a case of "what if".

[QUOTE="FutonSentinal62"]

Seriously when it comes to self-defence guns aren't your only option. Maybe take a few krav-maga classes? No need to unsheathe a knife or reach for a gun when your BODY is a weapon.

UnknownSniper65

A properly trained man or woman in Krav Maga can defend themselves without having to rely on a firearm. The best weapon you have is yourself, when trained properly. In retrospect I shouldn't have said a 'few' classes, but I didn't think someone would take it literally and use that to disprove my point. You win that argument, but I was not trying to argue. I still stand with what I meant to say. Here's my question: If someone ends up in a confrontation where they don't have a gun, knife, or less than lethal equipment, what else do they have to rely upon? I think the average person is far better off with learning how to defend themselves without the assistance of a gun, knife, or taser. Be it Krav Maga or something else. I chose Krav Maga because Krav was specifically created for those type of encounters. Other benefits include: stress relief, exercise, a toned physique, blah blah you get my point.

Wow do I really have to spell it out for you? If you are properly trained to defend yourself without the assistance of a firearm or knife. Then you won't need a gun or knife in most situations. Get off the fps's dudebro, and read some more.

FutonSentinal62

Holy snap, crackle, and pop are you serious? :?

Guns are easier and sometimes it's better not to fight an assailant. It's better just to pull out the gun and scare them away without even pulling the trigger.

Also, people own guns not just for defense but for recreational shooting.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]All those officers for ONE guy....all our cops need have done is shoot him with a tazer and then apprehend him,would have only taken about four officers at most.lundy86_4

It limits collateral damage to an absolute minimum. It's a case of "what if".

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Damn all that for a gunEJ902

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

I fail to see how what they did is practical,all they needed to do is use a tazer(which most cops are now equipped with) and even then, it doesn't take 30 trained officers people to take down 1 guy,8 should be the most needed to overwhelm the guy through force.Like I said before,with all these cuts coming in we need to be more practical with our policing.

[QUOTE="EJ902"][QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

yep I know:roll:
just look at how our police react to ONE guy with knife

sexyweapons

I fail to see how what they did is practical,all they needed to do is use a tazer(which most cops are now equipped with) and even then, it doesn't take 30 trained officers people to take down 1 guy,8 should be the most needed to overwhelm the guy through force.Like I said before,with all these cuts coming in we need to be more practical with our policing.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="EJ902"] I thought they handled that well, they did have the option of just getting armed police in and shooting him or having the riot squad tase him but instead they chose the most civilised option of overwhelming him and disarming him, which is always the best option if it's available imo. And just as well, apparently that guy had just flipped and got the help he needed instead of being shot dead. I don't see why britain's policy on guns is so controversial to others, britain and america are different societies. What works for us doesn't necessarily work for you and vice versa. British police seem far more capable than other countries' forces of bringing down a situation through dialogue and reasonable force rather than just pointing guns at people and being threatening. Sometimes guns are necessary but I don't think its right to use them when there are other options.kraken2109

I fail to see how what they did is practical,all they needed to do is use a tazer(which most cops are now equipped with) and even then, it doesn't take 30 trained officers people to take down 1 guy,8 should be the most needed to overwhelm the guy through force.Like I said before,with all these cuts coming in we need to be more practical with our policing.