Ozzy Osbourne or Michael Jackson?

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Couldn't he play an instrument?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How does that help the parts of the music without lyrics? I take it that's a no then.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="JonnyEagle"] Yeah, his voice........

JonnyEagle

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]On the same level as Lil Wayne? I laughed hard at that one. Did you grow up with him and see him in his prime? It doesn't sound like it. MJ not only sold tons of albums, he broke many records and was an inspiration to many artists today, including Lil Wayne. Like it or not, MJ is on the same level as the Beatles and Elvis, just in a different genre of music.DiabeticVampire

This is where the fun begins. I love how commercial success is related to quality in the views of most fans. The Beatles and Elvis both sold more than Michael Jackson, does that make them better artist or somehow above him in level of talent? A common misconception is MJ is the greatest selling artist of all time, that's incorrect, he has the best selling album of all time, the second being AC/DC's Back in Black and Meat Loaf's Bat of Hell (because they're totally better than Sabbath). I compared Lil Wayne and Michael Jackson because they're music is similar in both repetition and popularity. Lil Wayne has not an ounce of talent in his body but he'll sell a great deal of records before the end of his prime, perhaps even more than Sabbath, but will that make him more talented than them? And no I didn't see Michael Jackson in his prime, and I doubt you've ever attended a concert of his, I viewed his videos the same place of most of the world including his fans. The television, does that make me less qualified to judge his music?

No, but to say that Lil Wayne's music is just as popular and MJ's is ridiculous. MJ is known the world over, can you say the same about Wayne? I think you'll find yourself hard pressed to find somewhere outside the US where Wayne is known to the extent that MJ is.

Repetitive? really? I'll be honest with you, Although Michael Jackson's music is not my thing, I can tell you that some of his music is far from simplistic, Stranger in Moscow is a good example of that, and yes he wrote the song. You can't compare them, Michael Jackson was legitimately talented, he would actually sing the arrangements of whole songs to the musicians.JonnyEagle

No, but to say that Lil Wayne's music is just as popular and MJ's is ridiculous. MJ is known the world over, can you say the same about Wayne? I think you'll find yourself hard pressed to find somewhere outside the US where Wayne is known to the extent that MJ is.Rekunta

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]No, but to say that Lil Wayne's music is just as popular and MJ's is ridiculous. MJ is known the world over, can you say the same about Wayne? I think you'll find yourself hard pressed to find somewhere outside the US where Wayne is known to the extent that MJ is.DiabeticVampire

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How does that help the parts of the music without lyrics? I take it that's a no then.....LJS9502_basic

Why is playing an instrument so important? It's like saying they should know how to beat box as well... what the hell?nintendo-4life

The Genre's are too different to compare. Sort of like comparing Pavarotti to Elvis. They are both great and their music will last way afteryour life times.

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"] Repetitive? really? I'll be honest with you, Although Michael Jackson's music is not my thing, I can tell you that some of his music is far from simplistic, Stranger in Moscow is a good example of that, and yes he wrote the song. You can't compare them, Michael Jackson was legitimately talented, he would actually sing the arrangements of whole songs to the musicians.DiabeticVampire

Hey if you like Ozzy better that's fine, I like Ozzy's music a hell of a lot more than MJ's, but I'm just saying, the guy did write some of the instrumental part, as hard as that may seem to believe, and as much as I like Ozzy's music, I doubt he had anything to do with many of the most popular riffs in his music.........JonnyEagle

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MrEnvelope

OMG, just give it up. (pun intended)

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"]Hey if you like Ozzy better that's fine, I like Ozzy's music a hell of a lot more than MJ's, but I'm just saying, the guy did write some of the instrumental part, as hard as that may seem to believe, and as much as I like Ozzy's music, I doubt he had anything to do with many of the most popular riffs in his music.........DiabeticVampire

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That is not an objective measure. It's subjective.:|

LJS9502_basic

Ah my young friend, though it be but one song, Eddie Van Halen is indeed on par with Randy Rhodes, and he was on the Thriller album.

There is no vocalist on any of Ozzy's albums the caliber of Michael Jackson. Just to turn your statement back on you.

Ah my young friend, though it be but one song, Eddie Van Halen is indeed on par with Randy Rhodes, and he was on the Thriller album.

There is no vocalist on any of Ozzy's albums the caliber of Michael Jackson. Just to turn your statement back on you.

AFBrat77

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

Ah my young friend, though it be but one song, Eddie Van Halen is indeed on par with Randy Rhodes, and he was on the Thriller album.

There is no vocalist on any of Ozzy's albums the caliber of Michael Jackson. Just to turn your statement back on you.

LJS9502_basic

Eddie was a major league guitar player, one of the 70's finest in Rock. Indisputable.

the final part of your sentence is merely opinion so....no biggie there. Though I doubt you've heard much of his music anyhow.

Also, undeniably MJ had a much greater stage presence, even though he didn't bother biting off bat heads.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

Ah my young friend, though it be but one song, Eddie Van Halen is indeed on par with Randy Rhodes, and he was on the Thriller album.

There is no vocalist on any of Ozzy's albums the caliber of Michael Jackson. Just to turn your statement back on you.

AFBrat77

Eddie was a major league guitar player, one of the 70's finest in Rock. Indisputable.

the final part of your sentence is merely opinion so....no biggie there. Though I doubt you've heard much of his music anyhow.

[QUOTE="DiabeticVampire"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]No, but to say that Lil Wayne's music is just as popular and MJ's is ridiculous. MJ is known the world over, can you say the same about Wayne? I think you'll find yourself hard pressed to find somewhere outside the US where Wayne is known to the extent that MJ is.nintendo-4life

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="DiabeticVampire"] I didn't say they where equally popular, I said they where commercially successful artists who both happen to be popular and know how to play an instrument poorly. Check out Lil Wayne's attempt at guitar, it's sad really someone would place an instrument in his hand only to be abused. MasterC5

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Why is playing an instrument so important? It's like saying they should know how to beat box as well... what the hell?nintendo-4life

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

Instruments bring far more to music then vocals, you don't even need vocals to make amazing music.

I hate Ozzy's voice and I don't like MJ's voice that much.

But damn, MJ's songs are so catchy. :P

MJ it is.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

MasterC5

Instruments bring far more to music then vocals, you don't even need vocals to make amazing music.

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Because there's more to music than instruments? :|nintendo-4life

Instruments bring far more to music then vocals, you don't even need vocals to make amazing music.

Ok first lol evenessence, second that song wouldn't be anything without the instrumentals. They're not both equally important, the instrumentals matter a great deal more. You can get far more diverse songs with instruments then you ever could witgh the human voice, this is a fact.

Also for the most part instruments require a far greater amount of dedication.

MJ by a mile

I was just giving an example of a song that relies on vocals rather than instruments. The song would have lost some of it's atmosphere if the piano wasn't present. But it would lose everything if it lacked vocals. Furthermore, I'm not sure how dedication effects the final product, do you consider harder songs to be better? If that's the case then.... well we just have our own preferences on this subject. I have yet to hear a single instrument piece that has as much emotion as an acapella song. They are all needed, you can't belittle one talent to heighten another. nintendo-4life

Well that's your opinion, In my opinion every song by scale the summit has far more emotion then any acapella song.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]I was just giving an example of a song that relies on vocals rather than instruments. The song would have lost some of it's atmosphere if the piano wasn't present. But it would lose everything if it lacked vocals. Furthermore, I'm not sure how dedication effects the final product, do you consider harder songs to be better? If that's the case then.... well we just have our own preferences on this subject. I have yet to hear a single instrument piece that has as much emotion as an acapella song. They are all needed, you can't belittle one talent to heighten another. MasterC5

Well that's your opinion, In my opinion every song by scale the summit has far more emotion then any acapella song.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]I was just giving an example of a song that relies on vocals rather than instruments. The song would have lost some of it's atmosphere if the piano wasn't present. But it would lose everything if it lacked vocals. Furthermore, I'm not sure how dedication effects the final product, do you consider harder songs to be better? If that's the case then.... well we just have our own preferences on this subject. I have yet to hear a single instrument piece that has as much emotion as an acapella song. They are all needed, you can't belittle one talent to heighten another. MasterC5

Well that's your opinion, In my opinion every song by scale the summit has far more emotion then any acapella song.

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]I was just giving an example of a song that relies on vocals rather than instruments. The song would have lost some of it's atmosphere if the piano wasn't present. But it would lose everything if it lacked vocals. Furthermore, I'm not sure how dedication effects the final product, do you consider harder songs to be better? If that's the case then.... well we just have our own preferences on this subject. I have yet to hear a single instrument piece that has as much emotion as an acapella song. They are all needed, you can't belittle one talent to heighten another. JonnyEagle

Well that's your opinion, In my opinion every song by scale the summit has far more emotion then any acapella song.

That's true, instrumental music pieces are not songs by definition. I slipped up there.

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]

Well that's your opinion, In my opinion every song by scale the summit has far more emotion then any acapella song.

MasterC5

That's true, instrumental music pieces are not songs by definition. I slipped up there.

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]

Well that's your opinion, In my opinion every song by scale the summit has far more emotion then any acapella song.

MasterC5

That's true, instrumental music pieces are not songs by definition. I slipped up there.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

MasterC5

Instruments bring far more to music then vocals, you don't even need vocals to make amazing music.

Exactly, listen to some Satriani or Jason Becker.

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Why is playing an instrument so important? It's like saying they should know how to beat box as well... what the hell?nintendo-4life

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

So singing is the most important p[art of music, ok all instruments should be burned and we will just sing songs with a synthesiser in the background. honeslty what the heck is wrong with you? are you like 15 or something? instruments are the most vital part of music, if instrumentsd were never invented music wouldnt exist. Though vocals are still just as important in todays music.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="MasterC5"]

Holy hell, you should just never enter a musical debate again.

loft8000

So singing is the most important p[art of music, ok all instruments should be burned and we will just sing songs with a synthesiser in the background. honeslty what the heck is wrong with you? are you like 15 or something? instruments are the most vital part of music, if instrumentsd were never invented music wouldnt exist. Though vocals are still just as important in todays music.

Michael Jackson easily.

They didn't call him the King of Pop AND induct him into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for nothing.

battlefront23

Ozzy, easily.