Pakistan gives China access to downed US stealth chopper

"ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown U.S. "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

It said Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed aircraft as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar."

source

this obviously further shakes ties between the two countries. of course pakistani intelligence officials either deny this or refuse to comment just like they refused to comment that bin laden was living in their country, right next to a military institution, for years.

what do you want to see happen with pakistan? is cutting off aid to them the right step even though we use their country to move equipment and supplies to afghanistan? is it worth risking that supply line or should we send an even stronger message?

discuss.

Oh noes, the critical info they can gather from the scorched remnants of a slightly modified UH-60 :shock:

First, I would like a formal apology from the U.S. government for lying about Iraq and WMDs. Then we can move on.BranKetra

.. Make this the excuse to cutt off aid completely to Pakistan.. A corrupt government that cares more about the supposed threat of India inw hich they have purposely allowed Taliban to grow and ignored Bin Ladin.. The recent Bin Ladin incident illustrates one of two things abou tthe Pakistani government.. Either they purposelly ignored him or hid them seeing as we paid them to hunt for him.. So obviously they wanted the cash to keep flowing.. Or they are amazingly incompetent.. Either way its reason enough to cut their asses off.sSubZerOo

I totally agree.

Besides this is no big deal. We just slapped some of our radar-resistant armor onto a blackhawk, nothing special.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]First, I would like a formal apology from the U.S. government for lying about Iraq and WMDs. Then we can move on.danjammer69

As to what I want to see happen to Pakistan...not pleasant things. They're probably the worst failed state on the planet. At least Somalia doesn't have nukes.

[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]First, I would like a formal apology from the U.S. government for lying about Iraq and WMDs. Then we can move on.BranKetra

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="danjammer69"] I hope you are joking with this crap....Wasdie

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="danjammer69"] I hope you are joking with this crap....Wasdie

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

sSubZerOo

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. Make this the excuse to cutt off aid completely to Pakistan.. A corrupt government that cares more about the supposed threat of India inw hich they have purposely allowed Taliban to grow and ignored Bin Ladin.. The recent Bin Ladin incident illustrates one of two things abou tthe Pakistani government.. Either they purposelly ignored him or hid them seeing as we paid them to hunt for him.. So obviously they wanted the cash to keep flowing.. Or they are amazingly incompetent.. Either way its reason enough to cut their asses off.Wasdie

I totally agree.

Besides this is no big deal. We just slapped some of our radar-resistant armor onto a blackhawk, nothing special.

if this is similar to the radar resistant material we use on other aircraft such as the f-22 or b-2 stealth bomber it has the potential to be a larger deal than we may think. but i will say that this one particular incident isn't necessarily the biggest deal on its own but it could be the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to relationships with the country since they have been increasingly hostile in their actions.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Not in the least.BranKetra

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

Let's see. Media pressure for months and months before the invasion of Iraq. Iraq fully knew that they had absolutely no chance at winning. They also knew that we were using the fact that they had WMDs and were working with terrorist organizations. So, do you think out of the entire Iraqi government, they wouldn't think to dispose of them before our invasion just to make us look bad?

Also inspections are pointless. What's to say you don't let them inspect your underground weapon bunkers. Inspections were just PR BS, they were trying to look like they would work with us blah blah.

The fact is Iraq has had WMDs in the past, we know they have used them, and we had surveillance photos of SCUD launchers in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. I really hate that whole "bush lied to us" argument because it completely ignores both history and common sense.

They may not have had nukes, but nukes aren't the only WMD. Biological and chemical weapons are much easier to produce, store, and hide.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Not in the least.sSubZerOo

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

I know we did, and we are kicking ourselves with that. That still doesn't stop them from creating their own, nor does it stop their existing reserves from being there and potentially given out to terrorist organizations. The reasons they had them are irrelevant given the context of the current state of world affairs.

It's not like France, Britain, India, China, or Russia having WMDs. It's about a country who was once an ally but no longer is and has ties with organizations which have successfully attacked US citizens on more than one occasion.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

BranKetra

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

I don't see why Israel and America would give chemical weapons to Iran, seeing as both were against it during the Iran-Iraq war. As for Iraq, they essentially developed, produced, and used their own chemical weapons during the conflict. Even if you count foreign contracting, the US really only supplied the computer equipment for the labs, with Germany providing the actual gas. In short, I don't know where either of you are coming from regarding the US and Israel supplying either side with chemical weapons.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

Verge_6

I don't see why Israel and America would give chemical weapons to Iran, seeing as both were against it during the Iran-Iraq war. As for Iraq, they essentially developed, produced, and used their own chemical weapons during the conflict. Even if you count foreign contracting, the US really only supplied the computer equipment for the labs, with Germany providing the actual gas. In short, I don't know where either of you are coming from regarding the US and Israel supplying either side with chemical weapons.

Well then I'm wrong. My point still stands though.

"ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown U.S. "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

It said Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed aircraft as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar."

source

this obviously further shakes ties between the two countries. of course pakistani intelligence officials either deny this or refuse to comment just like they refused to comment that bin laden was living in their country, right next to a military institution, for years.

what do you want to see happen with pakistan? is cutting off aid to them the right step even though we use their country to move equipment and supplies to afghanistan? is it worth risking that supply line or should we send an even stronger message?

discuss.

ItalStallion777

if this has indeed happened thats good news.american helicopter was destroyed in our territory so we can do whatever we want with it.

and i hope the relationship between these countries severs even more because believe me i represent 99.9% of my people when i say this that we are sick of u .we dont want your aid and neither is that aidbeing used in developing pakistan but it is a bribe givento the people in command in pakistan (isi head ,president ,prime minister) that is labelled as aid .

american people should protest against this bribing .ur hard earned money is being used to bribe.

and as far as sending a strong message is concerned america cant risk it more that 60% of ur oil goes through pakistan 80% of ur ammonition etc goes through pakistan and furthur more we are not iraq and afghanistan.

if america experiments with pakistan they might have to face severe consquences

and furthur more usama was not in abbotabad it is all a hoax .he died his natural death years ago .american and pakistani representitves have said several times before that usama is dead.this was just a cash in .just for obama to have a strong election point saying "look i did that no one could ".america gained a lot with this drama.....

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

Wasdie

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

I know we did, and we are kicking ourselves with that. That still doesn't stop them from creating their own, nor does it stop their existing reserves from being there and potentially given out to terrorist organizations. The reasons they had them are irrelevant given the context of the current state of world affairs.

It's not like France, Britain, India, China, or Russia having WMDs. It's about a country who was once an ally but no longer is and has ties with organizations which have successfully attacked US citizens on more than one occasion.

I think US needs to cut support of Pakistan at this point, and focus on their much more important neighbor India.

India allot less ***** up political/stability wise, and will grow to a super power in a few decades.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

BranKetra

I know we did, and we are kicking ourselves with that. That still doesn't stop them from creating their own, nor does it stop their existing reserves from being there and potentially given out to terrorist organizations. The reasons they had them are irrelevant given the context of the current state of world affairs.

It's not like France, Britain, India, China, or Russia having WMDs. It's about a country who was once an ally but no longer is and has ties with organizations which have successfully attacked US citizens on more than one occasion.

Well I was apparently wrong, as verge point out. So I guess I stand corrected and my point is irrelevant. Iraq did have the capabilities to produce their own which changes what I was saying.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

Verge_6

I don't see why Israel and America would give chemical weapons to Iran, seeing as both were against it during the Iran-Iraq war. As for Iraq, they essentially developed, produced, and used their own chemical weapons during the conflict. Even if you count foreign contracting, the US really only supplied the computer equipment for the labs, with Germany providing the actual gas. In short, I don't know where either of you are coming from regarding the US and Israel supplying either side with chemical weapons.

Basically this.. Iran since the overthrow of Shah was increasingly hostile towards the United States and West in general.. Iraq was the method to funnel money to to hurt Iran's position... Hilariously enough Israel provided certain things to both sides.. Simply put.. Israel did not trust Iraq and the best way to ensuring that was to ensure they both beat the crap out of one another.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affairPretty clear on the matter.. Furthermore YES we did, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Commissionthe Tower Commission found that the US gave ingredients for chemical weapons to them purposely.

It astounds me that we still give billions in aid to this country. They do nothing to combat the Taliban and other extremists while they cling to their outdated conflict with India. **** Pakistan. HoolaHoopMan

If anything their corruption directly funds the Taliban.. The Taliban is hostile towards India, giving the government all the reason they need to support the organization with teh cold war brewing between Pakistan and India.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]It astounds me that we still give billions in aid to this country. They do nothing to combat the Taliban and other extremists while they cling to their outdated conflict with India. **** Pakistan. sSubZerOo

If anything their corruption directly funds the Taliban.. The Taliban is hostile towards India, giving the government all the reason they need to support the organization with teh cold war brewing between Pakistan and India.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Israel and United States kind of gave Iran and Iraq those weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.. Which led to the Contra Scandal that almost dragged Reagan down.

Verge_6

I don't see why Israel and America would give chemical weapons to Iran, seeing as both were against it during the Iran-Iraq war. As for Iraq, they essentially developed, produced, and used their own chemical weapons during the conflict. Even if you count foreign contracting, the US really only supplied the computer equipment for the labs, with Germany providing the actual gas. In short, I don't know where either of you are coming from regarding the US and Israel supplying either side with chemical weapons.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]It astounds me that we still give billions in aid to this country. They do nothing to combat the Taliban and other extremists while they cling to their outdated conflict with India. **** Pakistan. Monkey_N1nga

If anything their corruption directly funds the Taliban.. The Taliban is hostile towards India, giving the government all the reason they need to support the organization with teh cold war brewing between Pakistan and India.

They are going toa multitude of things.. Meant for things like the War on Terror.. The fact of the matter is that the Pakistani government has proven so corrupt and they have pretty much shownt hey have no intention of ever trying to stop the Taliban in its current form because its too beneficial with the conflict between them and India.

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

"ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown U.S. "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

It said Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed aircraft as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar."

source

this obviously further shakes ties between the two countries. of course pakistani intelligence officials either deny this or refuse to comment just like they refused to comment that bin laden was living in their country, right next to a military institution, for years.

what do you want to see happen with pakistan? is cutting off aid to them the right step even though we use their country to move equipment and supplies to afghanistan? is it worth risking that supply line or should we send an even stronger message?

discuss.

blaze_adeel

if this has indeed happened thats good news.american helicopter was destroyed in our territory so we can do whatever we want with it.

and i hope the relationship between these countries severs even more because believe me i represent 99.9% of my people when i say this that we are sick of u .we dont want your aid and neither is that aidbeing used in developing pakistan but it is a bribe givento the people in command in pakistan (isi head ,president ,prime minister) that is labelled as aid .

american people should protest against this bribing .ur hard earned money is being used to bribe.

and as far as sending a strong message is concerned america cant risk it more that 60% of ur oil goes through pakistan 80% of ur ammonition etc goes through pakistan and furthur more we are not iraq and afghanistan.

if america experiments with pakistan they might have to face severe consquences

and furthur more usama was not in abbotabad it is all a hoax .he died his natural death years ago .american and pakistani representitves have said several times before that usama is dead.this was just a cash in .just for obama to have a strong election point saying "look i did that no one could ".america gained a lot with this drama.....

that aid is for your government to hunt and kill taliban and other militant groups that are killing your citizens and our soldiers. but unfortunately pakistan is extremely incompetent and corrupt when it comes to this matter and is one reason drone strikes have stepped up. they have proven not to be trusted and have been playing both sides of the field for years.

i'm also glad i am talking to someone that represents the entirety of the population. now i have a clear idea what every citizen of pakistan feels.

on the bin laden comment: :roll:, no way i'm going to try to reason with that.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I was thinking about mentioning that, but I figured he already knew that.

sSubZerOo

I don't see why Israel and America would give chemical weapons to Iran, seeing as both were against it during the Iran-Iraq war. As for Iraq, they essentially developed, produced, and used their own chemical weapons during the conflict. Even if you count foreign contracting, the US really only supplied the computer equipment for the labs, with Germany providing the actual gas. In short, I don't know where either of you are coming from regarding the US and Israel supplying either side with chemical weapons.

Basically this.. Iran since the overthrow of Shah was increasingly hostile towards the United States and West in general.. Iraq was the method to funnel money to to hurt Iran's position... Hilariously enough Israel provided certain things to both sides.. Simply put.. Israel did not trust Iraq and the best way to ensuring that was to ensure they both beat the crap out of one another.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affairPretty clear on the matter.. Furthermore YES we did, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Commissionthe Tower Commission found that the US gave ingredients for chemical weapons to them purposely.

The Contra Affair article states that the US supplied conventional weapons, namely TOW missiles and their launchers. Nothing is mentioned of chemical weapons or WMDs. The Tower Commission article states that INGREDIENTS for the gasses (which include incredibly basic compounds) were supplied by the US, not the gasses themselves or the weapons. For all that tell us, the US simply gave an assload of ammonia to Iran. Neither state that the US, nor Israel, directly gave entire chemical weapons to Iran or Iraq.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I don't see why Israel and America would give chemical weapons to Iran, seeing as both were against it during the Iran-Iraq war. As for Iraq, they essentially developed, produced, and used their own chemical weapons during the conflict. Even if you count foreign contracting, the US really only supplied the computer equipment for the labs, with Germany providing the actual gas. In short, I don't know where either of you are coming from regarding the US and Israel supplying either side with chemical weapons.

Verge_6

Basically this.. Iran since the overthrow of Shah was increasingly hostile towards the United States and West in general.. Iraq was the method to funnel money to to hurt Iran's position... Hilariously enough Israel provided certain things to both sides.. Simply put.. Israel did not trust Iraq and the best way to ensuring that was to ensure they both beat the crap out of one another.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affairPretty clear on the matter.. Furthermore YES we did, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Commissionthe Tower Commission found that the US gave ingredients for chemical weapons to them purposely.

The Contra Affair article states that the US supplied conventional weapons, namely TOW missiles and their launchers. Nothing is mentioned of chemical weapons or WMDs. The Tower Commission article states that INGREDIENTS for the gasses (which include incredibly basic compounds) were supplied by the US, not the gasses themselves or the weapons. For all that tell us, the US simply gave an assload of ammonia to Iran. Neither state that the US, nor Israel, directly gave entire chemical weapons to Iran or Iraq.

... This would be alot like giving a unstable man immense amounts of voltile and flameable liquid.. But trying to deny to the police that you had no idea what he was using it for.. :| Give me a break the US was fully aware what these ingredients were being used for, THEY ARE SPECIFIC because theya re only used in such creations such as that..

Give me a break

sSubZerOo

You stated the US and Israel gave the weapons to them. This was not the case. Something like 15 different countries provided materials of various forms for the construction of the weapons, but NO ONE gave them full-blown weapons. Don't be upset that this was not the case.

[QUOTE="blaze_adeel"]

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]

"ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan gave China access to the previously unknown U.S. "stealth" helicopter that crashed during the commando raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May despite explicit requests from the CIA not to, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

It said Pakistan, which enjoys a close relationship with China, allowed Chinese intelligence officials to take pictures of the crashed aircraft as well as take samples of its special "skin" that allowed the American raid to evade Pakistani radar."

source

this obviously further shakes ties between the two countries. of course pakistani intelligence officials either deny this or refuse to comment just like they refused to comment that bin laden was living in their country, right next to a military institution, for years.

what do you want to see happen with pakistan? is cutting off aid to them the right step even though we use their country to move equipment and supplies to afghanistan? is it worth risking that supply line or should we send an even stronger message?

discuss.

ItalStallion777

if this has indeed happened thats good news.american helicopter was destroyed in our territory so we can do whatever we want with it.

and i hope the relationship between these countries severs even more because believe me i represent 99.9% of my people when i say this that we are sick of u .we dont want your aid and neither is that aidbeing used in developing pakistan but it is a bribe givento the people in command in pakistan (isi head ,president ,prime minister) that is labelled as aid .

american people should protest against this bribing .ur hard earned money is being used to bribe.

and as far as sending a strong message is concerned america cant risk it more that 60% of ur oil goes through pakistan 80% of ur ammonition etc goes through pakistan and furthur more we are not iraq and afghanistan.

if america experiments with pakistan they might have to face severe consquences

and furthur more usama was not in abbotabad it is all a hoax .he died his natural death years ago .american and pakistani representitves have said several times before that usama is dead.this was just a cash in .just for obama to have a strong election point saying "look i did that no one could ".america gained a lot with this drama.....

that aid is for your government to hunt and kill taliban and other militant groups that are killing your citizens and our soldiers. but unfortunately pakistan is extremely incompetent and corrupt when it comes to this matter and is one reason drone strikes have stepped up. they have proven not to be trusted and have been playing both sides of the field for years.

i'm also glad i am talking to someone that represents the entirety of the population. now i have a clear idea what every citizen of pakistan feels.

on the bin laden comment: :roll:, no way i'm going to try to reason with that.

thats what i am saying america shouldnt aid pakistan we dont want it and i firmly belief that cia is funding these so called taliban that are doing suicide bombing attack on PNS Mehran and massacre in karachi.

it is our corrupt government that has allowed u to do drone attacks or do this "operation" in abbotabad. we people dont want that and we want a change too but not through bloodshed but through ballot and i am sure our next government will be sincere to their country .

we want healthy relations with america but we dont want the aid u force upon us that follows dictation .we want peace but if u will try to challenge us and disturb us furthur or wage war against us i think u know that we are quite capable of defending ourselves.

and as afar as american claim that our nukes can go in the hands of taliban then ur hallucinating our nukes are in secure hands and we dont do mistakes like these :roll:

http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=682813

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. Make this the excuse to cutt off aid completely to Pakistan.. A corrupt government that cares more about the supposed threat of India inw hich they have purposely allowed Taliban to grow and ignored Bin Ladin.. The recent Bin Ladin incident illustrates one of two things abou tthe Pakistani government.. Either they purposelly ignored him or hid them seeing as we paid them to hunt for him.. So obviously they wanted the cash to keep flowing.. Or they are amazingly incompetent.. Either way its reason enough to cut their asses off.Wasdie

I totally agree.

Besides this is no big deal. We just slapped some of our radar-resistant armor onto a blackhawk, nothing special.

A good decision by Pakistan

A good decision by Pakistan

Harisemo

Pakistan...you better back the **** up before you get smacked the **** up. That's how we do it on our side. fidosim

A good decision by Pakistan

thats what i am saying america shouldnt aid pakistan we dont want it and i firmly belief that cia is funding these so called taliban that are doing suicide bombing attack on PNS Mehran and massacre in karachi.

it is our corrupt government that has allowed u to do drone attacks or do this "operation" in abbotabad. we people dont want that and we want a change too but not through bloodshed but through ballot and i am sure our next government will be sincere to their country .

we want healthy relations with america but we dont want the aid u force upon us that follows dictation .we want peace but if u will try to challenge us and disturb us furthur or wage war against us i think u know that we are quite capable of defending ourselves.

and as afar as american claim that our nukes can go in the hands of taliban then ur hallucinating our nukes are in secure hands and we dont do mistakes like these :roll:

http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=682813

blaze_adeel

I think it'squite sadpeople here actually think America is doing Pakistan a favour by giving them "aid" (which is more of a bill payment than aid) when this very aid and Pakistans contribution to War on Terror (which goes completely unnoticed) has been the source of complete mess that is Pakistan right now.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

A good decision by Pakistan

thenoobdude

I think it'squite sadpeople here actually think America is doing Pakistan a favour by giving them "aid" (which is more of a bill payment than aid) when this very aid and Pakistans contribution to War on Terror (which goes completely unnoticed) has been the source of complete mess that is Pakistan right now.

Harisemo

Didn't they destroy it with explosives before they left?DeX2010

Everything remotely valuable was torched. All that was really intact was the tail section of the chopper, which was essentially a standard UH-60 tail with a simple metal casing around the tail rotor axis to help deflect radar. They're not getting jack squat, the whole thing is political and symbolic more than anything.

We should cut off all aid to them and let India bomb their mudhuts.

USA had no right to be in Pakistan in the first place. Pakistan should do what ever they want with it. Hopefully they'll give it to Russia so that their weapon experts can create some kind of protection system and then sell this to anyone.

Not in the least.sSubZerOo

Yes, Iraq never had WMDs and most certainly never used them.

:roll:

As to what I want to see happen to Pakistan...not pleasant things. They're probably the worst failed state on the planet. At least Somalia doesn't have nukes.

Verge_6