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So anyway here's a quick recap for anyone interested: "In Africa, pope challenges attitudes, cultural trends


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By John Thavis, Catholic News Service

LUANDA, Angola -- Pope Benedict XVI's in-flight statement opposing condom distribution in AIDS prevention drew sharp criticism and was seen by many as a distraction from his main message in Africa.

But a closer look reveals that very little of what the pope had to say during his March 17-23 African journey was easy or accommodating. On issues ranging from abortion to corruption, from women's rights to economic development, he preached the Gospel in a way that took issue with common practices and prevailing attitudes.

His conviction, expressed on his first day in Cameroon, is that Christianity is the answer -- the only real answer -- to the chronic problems plaguing Africa. His fear is that Africa, caught up in economic and cultural globalization, will follow the secularized West and lose touch with its own best values.

Condom campaigns are, to Pope Benedict, a small but very real part of this threat. But his concern extends to virtually every area of social, economic and political life.

"At a time when so many people have no qualms about trying to impose the tyranny of materialism, with scant concern for the most deprived, you must be very careful," he told Africans in Cameroon.

"Take care of your souls," he said. "Do not let yourselves be captivated by selfish illusions and false ideals."

News accounts usually leave out the words than inevitably followed these papal warnings, but for the pope they were the most important part of his message in Africa: "Only Christ is the way of life." "The Lord Jesus is the one mediator and redeemer." "Christ is the measure of true humanism."

The transformation the pontiff asked of Africans was, as he described it, one that must begin with a radical conversion to Christ that redirects every aspect of life.

"The Gospel teaches us that reconciliation, true reconciliation, can only be the fruit of conversion, a change of heart, a new way of thinking. It teaches us that only the power of God's love can change our hearts," he said at an outdoor Mass in Angola.

The pope kept reminding listeners that, in his view, inside and outside Africa the Christian message lived to the full is profoundly countercultural.

That was eminently clear when he addressed young people in an Angolan soccer stadium, telling them that their power to shape the future was directly dependent on their "constant dialogue with the Lord."

"The dominant societal culture is not helping you live by Jesus' words or to practice the self-giving to which he calls you," he said. In fact, he said, today's "individualistic and hedonistic" values prevent young people from reaching maturity.

At his Mass the next day, the pope continued in the same vein, saying that "living by the truth" was not easy in the face of the "hardened attitudes" of selfishness that dominate much of contemporary social relations.

Abortion was very much on the pope's mind in Africa. His first speech on the continent reminded Africans of their traditional values and said the church was the institution best able to preserve and purify them -- unlike agencies that want to impose "cultural models that ignore the rights of the unborn."

In a speech to foreign diplomats, he laid down a direct challenge to international organizations that, in his words, were undermining society's foundations by promoting abortion as a form of reproductive health care. The working document for next October's Synod of Bishops, delivered by the pope to African bishops, said globalization "infringes on Africa's rights" and tends "to be the vehicle for the domination of a single, cultural model and a culture of death."

The pope hit hard on African wars and ethnic conflicts and repeatedly held out Christianity as the answer. If Africans grasp that the church is "God's family," he said in Cameroon, there is no room for ethnocentrism or factionalism. In effect, he presented the church as the only institution capable of bringing Africans together in a way that goes beyond political or economic expediency.

Although the pope had two one-liners about corruption, typically portrayed in the West as the quintessential "African" problem, he did not engage in finger-pointing -- even in Cameroon, which is usually at the top of the corruption charts of human rights organizations. Indeed, he called Cameroon a "land of hope" for Africa.

The reason is that he knows local African church leaders are already on the front lines in denouncing political corruption. In Cameroon, for example, a year ago Cardinal Christian Wiyghan Tumi of Douala took the unprecedented step of publicly opposing President Paul Biya's constitutional meddling that allowed the president to serve yet another seven-year term -- a position the cardinal reiterated during the pope's visit.

Significantly, the pope treated corruption not as a problem to be eliminated in return for foreign aid, but as a practice incompatible with the demands of the Gospel. He added, however, that Africa deserves a similar change in attitude from the developed world -- not "more programs and protocols" but "conversion of hearts to sincere solidarity."

His visit to the sick in Cameroon illustrated that the church must invest its resources in love and care for the needy, but with a special focus: Human suffering can only make sense in light of Christ's crucifixion and his "final victory" over death, he said.

Even the pope's defense of women's rights in Africa was very much a "Benedict" approach, based not on human rights declarations but on the biblical account of creation. Here, too, his point that men and women have "complementary" roles will no doubt find critics.

The pope's method in Africa was not to lay down the law but to lay down a challenge, asking people to examine their own lives and their relationships in the light of the Gospel. He believes that Christianity is a perfect fit for Africa but that, in view of cultural trends, it won't necessarily be an easy fit.

For video of the trip see here

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and people listen to this guy.......
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so much for respect, eh?

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. hes a ex nazi who is protecting a bishop that said the holocause never happened and now pope dip spit says condoms dont work abstenence does..... id take a swing at him.

Tazzmission187

He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

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and people listen to this guy.......swiftkillz0
at least he doesn't say he bowls like somebody from the special olympics and then go on a big prime-time newscast and make like nothing happened?

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[QUOTE="swiftkillz0"]and people listen to this guy.......JoeRatz16

at least he doesn't say he bowls like somebody from the special olympics and then go on a big prime-time newscast and make like nothing happened?

the guy told people condoms spread aids and they shouldnt use them.

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Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

JoeRatz16

Shoot him? Or stab him with their halberds? The Swiss Guard are a silly bunch. Really, who dresses like this?

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I don't know much about it. All I've heard about is his apparently continuing fondness for getting people killed through AIDS.
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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]

. hes a ex nazi who is protecting a bishop that said the holocause never happened and now pope dip spit says condoms dont work abstenence does..... id take a swing at him.

Tazzmission187

He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

i think your blinded by your belief system. the pope has kept the bishop who denied the holocause of happening. so before you spew your garbage do some reserch and stop listening to fox there just as blind as you are

Actually the bishops have just had their excommunications lifted, they still have no canonical function in the Church and thus are not really bishops nor even priests, they have no ministry in the church.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

Oleg_Huzwog

Shoot him? Or stab him with their halberds? The Swiss Guard are a silly bunch. Really, who dresses like this?

the tc is blinded by his ego. lmao he said the guards own guns what i loon. as for the photo i say lonley middle aged bicurious men wera that type of garb

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

Oleg_Huzwog

Shoot him? Or stab him with their halberds? The Swiss Guard are a silly bunch. Really, who dresses like this?

That is just ceremonial dress. There are "plain clothes" Swiss Guards who look somewhat like the Secret Service guys, in fact when the Pope was in the U.S. it was hard to tell which were secret service (at that time the Secret Service gave the Pope a higher priority than it gave McCain, Obama or Clinton. He was given the same priority as the President himself) or plain clothes Swiss Guards.

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I don't know much about it. All I've heard about is his apparently continuing fondness for getting people killed through AIDS.Funky_Llama
I think you have him confused with the UN.

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I don't know much about it. All I've heard about is his apparently continuing fondness for getting people killed through AIDS.JoeRatz16

I think you have him confused with the UN.

Hmm... nope, I'm pretty sure it's the Pope who's responsible for millions of Catholics not using condoms, with all the potential for HIV/AIDS that results.
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One of the main reasons religion is one of humanity worst enemy.
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The pope actually thinks that abstinence works in practice? Sure, it works perfectly in theory, but in practice it will never work unless it is strictly enforced upon the masses. People have a biological urge to breed, so they're going to do it. If that entails the spread of disease, then maybe a little barrier isn't such a bad idea?

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i can see him in the future saying masterbation is considered a 1 man abortion

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

Tazzmission187

Shoot him? Or stab him with their halberds? The Swiss Guard are a silly bunch. Really, who dresses like this?

the tc is blinded by his ego. lmao he said the guards own guns what i loon. as for the photo i say lonley middle aged bicurious men wera that type of garb

what a loon indeed!

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One of the main reasons religion is one of humanity worst enemy.Splinter720

Couldn't disagree more. I propose that religion is one of the defining features of humanity; one of those things that you can point to and say "this is what separates us from animals".

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[QUOTE="Splinter720"]One of the main reasons religion is one of humanity worst enemy.Oleg_Huzwog

Couldn't disagree more. I propose that religion is one of the defining features of humanity; one of those things that you can point to and say "this is what separates us from animals".

Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing.
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i can see him in the future saying masterbation is considered a 1 man abortion

Tazzmission187

he won't say that. Catholic teaching holds masturbation to be a sin, but not at the level of abortion which is murder. Masturbation only kills sperm which are just cells, abortion kills a fetus which is considered a new human being as it has it's own DNA separate from that of either parent.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]

. hes a ex nazi who is protecting a bishop that said the holocause never happened and now pope dip spit says condoms dont work abstenence does..... id take a swing at him.

He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

i might be wrong, but didnt he get awarded some kind of medal for great "enthusiasm" and leadership while in the hitler youth?
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

One of the main reasons religion is one of humanity worst enemy.Splinter720

Couldn't disagree more. I propose that religion is one of the defining features of humanity; one of those things that you can point to and say "this is what separates us from animals".

Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing.

im not religous, but i do belive to some extent, and in some cases throughout history, organized religion has been a good thing, it gives the masses something to hold on to, a feeling of safety that couldnt easily have been replaced by anything else. It gives people a sense of morality(or used to), i just think its time to move on
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Couldn't disagree more. I propose that religion is one of the defining features of humanity; one of those things that you can point to and say "this is what separates us from animals".

pancreasjuice

Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing.

im not religous, but i do belive to some extent, and in some cases throughout history, organized religion has been a good thing, it gives the masses something to hold on to, a feeling of safety that couldnt easily have been replaced by anything else. It gives people a sense of morality(or used to), i just think its time to move on

Mm - for all I know, you're right. But if religion is a good thing, it's not because it distinguishes humans from animals.

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joeratz why you trick on me man. what are you afraid the truth hurts. dosnt ask people for opinions if you dont like them

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I don't think I could conceivably care less about that man. All of his actions bring dismay and disquiet to me. Lest it is the news of his departure from earth, I do not want to hear of any of his further wrongdoings.

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Do you have pictures of the pope all around your room or something? Seriously, if you are religious, fine, whatever, but your obsession with the pope in particular is a little odd...
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I think the trip went about as well as could be expected - but this thread could have gone much better.:P

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]

. hes a ex nazi who is protecting a bishop that said the holocause never happened and now pope dip spit says condoms dont work abstenence does..... id take a swing at him.

pancreasjuice

He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

i might be wrong, but didnt he get awarded some kind of medal for great "enthusiasm" and leadership while in the hitler youth?

No in fact he used to play hooky a lot. for more info see http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2005/04/What-Joseph-Ratzinger-Did-During-The-War.aspx

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I think the trip went about as well as could be expected - but this thread could have gone much better.:P

iowastate

unfortunately some people (like a certain guy named after a wrestling move, a certain other named after a disco animal and someguy with a picture of a guy pointing a gun) had to hijack my thread!.

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[QUOTE="pancreasjuice"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] He is not an ex-nazi, he was drafted into the hitler youth he didn't go willingly. He never protected the bishop (who by the way said the holocaust did happen, he just thinks that only 300,000 jews died, not 6 million), he made it clear that in order to be considered a legitimate bishop, bishop Williamson will have to repudiate his comments (the Pope didn't know about the comments until after he had lifted the excommunications of the 4 SSPX "bishops").

Oh and if you "take a swing at him" then the Swiss Guard might shoot you and you'll probably get arrested for assaulting the Pope.

JoeRatz16

i might be wrong, but didnt he get awarded some kind of medal for great "enthusiasm" and leadership while in the hitler youth?

No in fact he used to play hooky a lot. for more info see http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2005/04/What-Joseph-Ratzinger-Did-During-The-War.aspx

oh so now you speak. why you report me saying i wrote offencive material? if you'd like i can upload a video of your hero the pope confirming what pastors do. think before you try to play the omg this guy insulted me act
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Do you have pictures of the pope all around your room or something? Seriously, if you are religious, fine, whatever, but your obsession with the pope in particular is a little odd...SpaceMoose
the answer is no. I'm not an idolater. I commented on him because he just went on a trip to Africa.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]

i can see him in the future saying masterbation is considered a 1 man abortion

Tazzmission187

he won't say that. Catholic teaching holds masturbation to be a sin, but not at the level of abortion which is murder. Masturbation only kills sperm which are just cells, abortion kills a fetus which is considered a new human being as it has it's own DNA separate from that of either parent.

and yet catholic priests molest little kids and you say thats ok?

He never said that's okay, he once called it a "grave sin", also in 2005 he denounced "filth in the Church" which many interpret as referencing that.

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[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"][QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] he won't say that. Catholic teaching holds masturbation to be a sin, but not at the level of abortion which is murder. Masturbation only kills sperm which are just cells, abortion kills a fetus which is considered a new human being as it has it's own DNA separate from that of either parent.

JoeRatz16

and yet catholic priests molest little kids and you say thats ok?

He never said that's okay, he once called it a "grave sin", also in 2005 he denounced "filth in the Church" which many interpret as referencing that.

and you believe everything you hear
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the answer is no. I'm not an idolater. I commented on him because he just went on a trip to Africa.

JoeRatz16

You comment in these forums on almost everything he does.

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"] and yet catholic priests molest little kids and you say thats ok?Tazzmission187

He never said that's okay, he once called it a "grave sin", also in 2005 he denounced "filth in the Church" which many interpret as referencing that.

and you believe everything you hear

What do you mean?

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[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] the answer is no. I'm not an idolater. I commented on him because he just went on a trip to Africa.

SpaceMoose

You comment in these forums on almost everything he does.

maybe he went as the pope for halloween in 2008. and rats before you decide to report me again for this statement keep in mind if i go your coming with me do to your slick comment saying i came in guns blazing hijacking your thread. and trust me if i wanted to flame you it wouldve been done already so forget you and your pope loving belief im out this thread and back into reality
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] the answer is no. I'm not an idolater. I commented on him because he just went on a trip to Africa.

Tazzmission187

You comment in these forums on almost everything he does.

maybe he went as the pope for halloween in 2008. and rats before you decide to report me again for this statement keep in mind if i go your coming with me do to your slick comment saying i came in guns blazing hijacking your thread. and trust me if i wanted to flame you it wouldve been done already so forget you and your pope loving belief im out this thread and back into reality

I never said you hijacked the thread, I said people hijacked it. And why assume that it was me that reported you? I'm sorry somebody did report you, no that I know it got you so upset, I'll know in the future not to report you.

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I think his ideas on contraceptives are negative for Africa given the AIDS outbreak that's prevalent throughout the continent. Thinking that their use will increase the amount of cases doesn't sound logical to me at all. However, I guess its traditional to be opposed to contraceptives because of what the Bible dictates.

Overall, I'm fairly neutral about the whole thing.