Partners in school is really unfair.

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#51 T_REX305
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write here letter for her. so at least u got something to present. but dont make it better then urs.

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#52 Wakanoid
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write here letter for her. so at least u got something to present. but dont make it better then urs.

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It's a serious piss off. I'm already busy enough with my homework as it is. I can't write my part without hers, shouldn't have let her have that spot. Guess I'll do both and let my teacher know that I did it ALL. Maybe I should let my class know to, but thankfully I'm not that mean of a person.
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#53 Stesilaus
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Should I go complain to my teacher or something?

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Yes, lest you receive even partial blame for the incomplete assignment.

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#55 Lost-Memory
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Have you ever had it, where you get one partner and you get matched up with the worst person possible?

Well, just on Friday we had to pick partners and take part in a small assignment. We had to write a letter to eachother pretending to be one of the two characters in the book.

So, one person writes to that person and the other person writes back. My teacher puts me with the dumbest girl in class who doesn't talk at all.

But, I didn't really care about that. It's the fact that I say, okay so what are we doing?

*shrug*

Uhm, how about this?

*shrug*

Would not work with me at all.

Now, I asked for her to write her part of the letter as homework (even told her what to write) as she is doing the initial letter/email and I need hers first to write mine. (The entire class finished except for us). But even better, she's not even gonna do it. We also get to present it tomorrow. I mean, this is completely unfair.

Should I go complain to my teacher or something? She won't do anything. She is absolutely useless...

I've tried as much as I can. Only thing I can really do is write both parts myself now. I really don't deserve my mark to go down because of this.

What should I do? Also, have you had any similar experiences?

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Uhh yeah, at the first sign of uselessness you should have informed your teacher. At least said you didn't want to work with her or something. and she's probably not dumb, just disagree's with school and the rest of society, kind of like myself xD
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#56 Wakanoid
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For the love of god... So, she sent me an email... (Bit of a relief, but still late...) She gave me a sentence... Which is the sentence I gave her to help her out on what to write... @O!#*!@F(#U!@I#FJK@!LP(*WE Also Lost, I don't agree with the school system but it's something you gotta put up with.
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#57 Solid_Tango
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Ask to work alone =s

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Thats what i do, but because most of the time i m the dumb one and i dont want to ruin other peoples grades :(
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#58 rawsavon
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The purpose of school is to prepare you for the real world. Most jobs require cooperative work amongst peers (some good and some crappy). -you are usually judged by the success of the project (not individual effort) So partners/group work is in no way unfair.
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#59 zeldaluff
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Ugh my last group for a debate was a disaster.

Right off the bat, my friend and I weren't included at all in any of the discussions. The other four people were all friends so I guess they thought they could get along without us, or we were too stupid or something (we're not). I don't know.

So we kept asking what we should do, and nobody gave us any directions. Eventually the last night before it's due comes up and they're all freaking out and telling us to go online to help. My friend got frustrated and left and I had to leave for about 20 minutes. When I got back there was a whole convo about us. One was "Oh great, I leave for a little while and **** hits the fan. And meanwhile the two people that have done ****-all leave. Life's a *****, ain't it".

I was like "Excuse me?". Three of them had left for a little while, while one didn't even show up. Groups suck.

So yeah I empathize. I'd probably let your teacher know. At least that's what I plan to do if I get the same group again.

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#60 Wakanoid
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OH MY **** GOD. Quote - **** im not comming to school on monday, tuesday,and maybe wedesday.!!!" Yup, thanks for leaving me completely **** OH! Also to start 2 discussions. I'm assuming lots of people have also had where they constantly offer to do work... But the group doesn't give you any to do. Then you get a bad individual mark.

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#61 Deadbeatcobra
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yeah I literally just had a project where two others and I did absolutely nothing. Not by choice but because I got matched up with two girls who were already friends I got pushed to the side and didn't really care.

I end up getting credit for literally doing absolutely nothing. So in this instance it was great, but I've had the other one as well.

XturnalS

Dude this happen to me in high school. I would get pired up with 2 other people who were friends, most of the time all they did was talk and get no work done, so i end up on the side line looking like an idiot. I just talked to the teacher if I can do the project by myself and they would usually say yeah.

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#62 T_P_O
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Man, you think partnering at school was bad? Try jiu-jitsu. Every week my stepdad used to partner with me with this whale of a woman, seriously, it was horrible. Every week having to physically touch this monster, get into awkward positions with her. Jesus, just remembering it makes me cringe. I guess it was worth it for every time I put her in a kimura.

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#63 Regent192
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when I'm in classes where none of my friends are in, I hate doing assignments with partners

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I remember doing a group project in High school where everyone had to email me their part so I could combine it into a slideshow. Around 11PM the night before the project was due someone emailed me a word document with hyperlinks to a couple of websites. This was a project that required several talking points,images and full citations. All the person did was literally google the topic and send me hyperlinks to the website. I ended up doing that part of the project myself (the links sent to me were useless) and got a 90 on the project.

I've never had any luck with group projects. I've always had people who either did poor work, didn't do any work or took over the project and got us all bad grades.

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TC, wait til you hit the workforce =D
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#66 daqua_99
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You need to inform your teacher.

Everyone hates group projects as there is always one person who just craps around. I had one earlier this year where it was one question each in a group of five. I picked the end question, which was twice as long as the rest. We agreed that the others would be done by the Wednesday before it was due because I needed the results of the other four questions to write my 6 page answer. Come Saturday night I messaged them all asking them where it was, and they were like "we haven't finished". It was due Monday and I needed their results. Luckily I was a bit sick and I just got a doctors note, and I got my course average for those marks.

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#67 The-Tree
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Tell your teacher. I too hate group projects, especially when I have to depend on the teamwork of idiots.

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I've had similar situations like that in the past. Your best course of action is to approach her and voice your opinion, if she still doesn't respond positively then go to the professor, odds are the prof. already knows what kind of student she is.

To your point though, working in groups is not unfair at all. Its actually one of the best lessons a teacher can give you. Almost every single profession/job requires you to work with others/teams. You will encounter folks of all types, some you work well with, some you don't, some who work as hard as you, some you you work harder then, and some who work even harder then you. You need to know how to deal/work with different kinds of people. Take this as a life lesson.
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[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]I've had similar situations like that in the past. Your best course of action is to approach her and voice your opinion, if she still doesn't respond positively then go to the professor, odds are the prof. already knows what kind of student she is.

To your point though, working in groups is not unfair at all. Its actually one of the best lessons a teacher can give you. Almost every single profession/job requires you to work with others/teams. You will encounter folks of all types, some you work well with, some you don't, some who work as hard as you, some you you work harder then, and some who work even harder then you. You need to know how to deal/work with different kinds of people. Take this as a life lesson.

Don't think it should affect my school grade as much as it does though.
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#70 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="Diablo-B"]I've had similar situations like that in the past. Your best course of action is to approach her and voice your opinion, if she still doesn't respond positively then go to the professor, odds are the prof. already knows what kind of student she is.

To your point though, working in groups is not unfair at all. Its actually one of the best lessons a teacher can give you. Almost every single profession/job requires you to work with others/teams. You will encounter folks of all types, some you work well with, some you don't, some who work as hard as you, some you you work harder then, and some who work even harder then you. You need to know how to deal/work with different kinds of people. Take this as a life lesson.

Don't think it should affect my school grade as much as it does though.

Why :? Students complain all the time in school: 'When will ever need this in the real world'; 'This is pointless'; etc Group projects are just like real life. Your manager does not care who did what...only what the outcome is. You are rewarded (keep your job) or punished (fired) as a collective
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I hate when that happens.
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#72 Stesilaus
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Your best option is to treat the single sentence that you gave her as the entirety of her contribution and write your own contribution in response to that.

Also be sure to inform the teacher of the circumstances under which you had to work.

Don't be shy to "forward" or print out the e-mail she sent to you.

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#73 unrealtron
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I resigned to that long time ago. I grow smarter every time that ghappens

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#74 Wakanoid
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="Diablo-B"]I've had similar situations like that in the past. Your best course of action is to approach her and voice your opinion, if she still doesn't respond positively then go to the professor, odds are the prof. already knows what kind of student she is.

To your point though, working in groups is not unfair at all. Its actually one of the best lessons a teacher can give you. Almost every single profession/job requires you to work with others/teams. You will encounter folks of all types, some you work well with, some you don't, some who work as hard as you, some you you work harder then, and some who work even harder then you. You need to know how to deal/work with different kinds of people. Take this as a life lesson.

Don't think it should affect my school grade as much as it does though.

Because it is not my fault at all. My group would NOT do anything no matter how hard I tried. Normally, they would get fired. Therefore, some person can leave with a 90% average who did NOTHING because there partner did all the work and got a 90%. They don't deserve my mark. So you're saying at work, is you'll just keep doing other peoples jobs for them? Or you'll tell them to do it themself and get fired? Yes, that sounds fair. Why :? Students complain all the time in school: 'When will ever need this in the real world'; 'This is pointless'; etc Group projects are just like real life. Your manager does not care who did what...only what the outcome is. You are rewarded (keep your job) or punished (fired) as a collective

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#75 rawsavon
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Wakanoid
Same thing with a job...your whole group would get fired. So the teacher is giving students what they want when they complain that they will never use _____ in the real world. -this is real world experience you can use
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#76 sonofsmeagle
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man i hate those situations they really get my blood boiling

a situation like this happened to me in drama 1 time except there wasnt really much writing involved and i was with 4 other people that were just complete lazy pricks geeez our play suked major but i got a high mark compared to any1 else because i got all my lines and acting on spot and i was the only1 that wrote down all our technical info i'm just lucky our teacher rates the individual more than the group

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The purpose of school is to prepare you for the real world. Most jobs require cooperative work amongst peers (some good and some crappy). -you are usually judged by the success of the project (not individual effort) So partners/group work is in no way unfair.rawsavon

Not exactly. In school, sometimes you have to put up with the total losers who don't do ANYTHING. Atleast in work, those people can get fired.

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#78 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The purpose of school is to prepare you for the real world. Most jobs require cooperative work amongst peers (some good and some crappy). -you are usually judged by the success of the project (not individual effort) So partners/group work is in no way unfair.SgtKevali

Not exactly. In school, sometimes you have to put up with the total losers who don't do ANYTHING. Atleast in work, those people can get fired.

Are you out in the work force yet (post school)? -serious question There are total losers everywhere (where do you think they go). So it is exactly the same
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The purpose of school is to prepare you for the real world. Most jobs require cooperative work amongst peers (some good and some crappy). -you are usually judged by the success of the project (not individual effort) So partners/group work is in no way unfair.rawsavon

Not exactly. In school, sometimes you have to put up with the total losers who don't do ANYTHING. Atleast in work, those people can get fired.

Are you out in the work force yet (post school)? -serious question There are total losers everywhere (where do you think they go). So it is exactly the same

Nope. (this is the response to your question, not just a blatant denial)

The difference I see is that it's a lot easier to fire someone than it is to kick them out of school. Them not doing anything in school will lead to them and you failing.

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I was the bad partner. I usually traded presenting for doing any actual work .
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The purpose of school is to prepare you for the real world. Most jobs require cooperative work amongst peers (some good and some crappy). -you are usually judged by the success of the project (not individual effort) So partners/group work is in no way unfair.rawsavon

Not exactly. In school, sometimes you have to put up with the total losers who don't do ANYTHING. Atleast in work, those people can get fired.

Are you out in the work force yet (post school)? -serious question There are total losers everywhere (where do you think they go). So it is exactly the same

Oh yeah, this crap doesn't end in school. My last job had some ass that would try to pawn his work on me. I was an intern so he thought that I should do work that was "beneath him" so to speak. At first I did it, but my supervisor started getting on to me about it (mostly because my supervisor hated this guy). That was when I realized he didn't have any authority over me. After a few months, he'd ask me to do something, I'd tell him I was going to do it, then just not do it. Then he would spend the next week staying late so he could catch up :D. He kept doing it after that too, and I'd keep doing the same thing. Watching him get chewed out in the meetings kept me entertained.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Not exactly. In school, sometimes you have to put up with the total losers who don't do ANYTHING. Atleast in work, those people can get fired.

SgtKevali

Are you out in the work force yet (post school)? -serious question There are total losers everywhere (where do you think they go). So it is exactly the same

Nope.

The difference I see is that it's a lot easier to fire someone than it is to kick them out of school. Them not doing anything in school will lead to them and you failing.

Not really at all accurate. It can prove quite difficult to fire individual people in today's litigious society. So the teacher is showing students what it is like to work in the real world...a very valuable lesson (more so than most)
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At least I have the tact to do my share when in a group but people who don't even bother themselves for the sake of others are just low.
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#84 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Are you out in the work force yet (post school)? -serious question There are total losers everywhere (where do you think they go). So it is exactly the samerawsavon

Nope.

The difference I see is that it's a lot easier to fire someone than it is to kick them out of school. Them not doing anything in school will lead to them and you failing.

Not really at all accurate. It can prove quite difficult to fire individual people in today's litigious society. So the teacher is showing students what it is like to work in the real world...a very valuable lesson (more so than most)

I understand it can be hard in the workplace as well, I just think (based not on experience mind you) that it's easier to fire than to kick out of school.

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#85 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Nope.

The difference I see is that it's a lot easier to fire someone than it is to kick them out of school. Them not doing anything in school will lead to them and you failing.

SgtKevali

Not really at all accurate. It can prove quite difficult to fire individual people in today's litigious society. So the teacher is showing students what it is like to work in the real world...a very valuable lesson (more so than most)

I understand it can be hard in the workplace as well, I just think (based not on experience mind you) that it's easier to fire than to kick out of school.

Well it is NOT easier to fire someone than fail them (which is what we are talking about...not kick them out of school) -I say this as both a former teacher and someone that works in the corporate world now
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#86 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Not really at all accurate. It can prove quite difficult to fire individual people in today's litigious society. So the teacher is showing students what it is like to work in the real world...a very valuable lesson (more so than most)rawsavon

I understand it can be hard in the workplace as well, I just think (based not on experience mind you) that it's easier to fire than to kick out of school.

Well it is NOT easier to fire someone than fail them (which is what we are talking about...not kick them out of school) -I say this as both a former teacher and someone that works in the corporate world now

Nah, I was talking about kicking them out of school.

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#87 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I understand it can be hard in the workplace as well, I just think (based not on experience mind you) that it's easier to fire than to kick out of school.

SgtKevali

Well it is NOT easier to fire someone than fail them (which is what we are talking about...not kick them out of school) -I say this as both a former teacher and someone that works in the corporate world now

Nah, I was talking about kicking them out of school.

That is not the same thing at all though. The equivalent to kicking them out of school would be kicking them out of the industry
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#88 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Well it is NOT easier to fire someone than fail them (which is what we are talking about...not kick them out of school) -I say this as both a former teacher and someone that works in the corporate world nowrawsavon

Nah, I was talking about kicking them out of school.

That is not the same thing at all though. The equivalent to kicking them out of school would be kicking them out of the industry

I agree, it isn't the same thing, which is why you can't make these kinds of comparisons so lightly. The dynamics of work and school are different, are they not?

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#89 bobaban
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I'm betting TC didn't have anyone to partner with so he got stuck with the dumb/lazy girl. HS is a joke, and that assignment could be easily done in under an hour (both parts). And just write her a bad individual mark.
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#90 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Nah, I was talking about kicking them out of school.

SgtKevali

That is not the same thing at all though. The equivalent to kicking them out of school would be kicking them out of the industry

I agree, it isn't the same thing, which is why you can't make these kinds of comparisons so lightly. The dynamics of work and school are different, are they not?

No they are not in this case. Getting fired (from one job) is the same as getting fired from 1 class (fail that class). The teacher is showing how a group project can lead to success (keep job/pass) or failure (fail that class or fired) It is exactly the same
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#91 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] That is not the same thing at all though. The equivalent to kicking them out of school would be kicking them out of the industry rawsavon

I agree, it isn't the same thing, which is why you can't make these kinds of comparisons so lightly. The dynamics of work and school are different, are they not?

No they are not in this case. Getting fired (from one job) is the same as getting fired from 1 class (fail that class). The teacher is showing how a group project can lead to success (keep job/pass) or failure (fail that class or fired) It is exactly the same

Failing a class isn't like getting fired though. It isn't as if you have to leave that class after you fail. More often than not, you have to retake it. Do you get fired and then redo your job?

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#92 Wakanoid
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Raw, does my mark not count towards me getting into university? Therefore, I'm going to have a slightly lower mark than I should because of some lazy bastard? I don't see how that's fair. I shouldn't be losing marks because of somebody.
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#93 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

I agree, it isn't the same thing, which is why you can't make these kinds of comparisons so lightly. The dynamics of work and school are different, are they not?

SgtKevali

No they are not in this case. Getting fired (from one job) is the same as getting fired from 1 class (fail that class). The teacher is showing how a group project can lead to success (keep job/pass) or failure (fail that class or fired) It is exactly the same

Failing a class isn't like getting fired though. It isn't as if you have to leave that class after you fail. More often than not, you have to retake it. Do you get fired and then redo your job?

get another job in the same industry (a tax accountant gets another job as a tax accountant)...take the same class again Same thing
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#94 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"]Raw, does my mark not count towards me getting into university? Therefore, I'm going to have a slightly lower mark than I should because of some lazy bastard? I don't see how that's fair. I shouldn't be losing marks because of somebody.

Same as if you got fired (have that on your job history) b/c of a bad group project that got you fired ...same thing
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#95 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] No they are not in this case. Getting fired (from one job) is the same as getting fired from 1 class (fail that class). The teacher is showing how a group project can lead to success (keep job/pass) or failure (fail that class or fired) It is exactly the same rawsavon

Failing a class isn't like getting fired though. It isn't as if you have to leave that class after you fail. More often than not, you have to retake it. Do you get fired and then redo your job?

get another job in the same industry (a tax accountant gets another job as a tax accountant)...take the same class again Same thing

Nah. When you get fired you aren't guarenteed another job.

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#96 Wakanoid
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="Diablo-B"]I've had similar situations like that in the past. Your best course of action is to approach her and voice your opinion, if she still doesn't respond positively then go to the professor, odds are the prof. already knows what kind of student she is.

To your point though, working in groups is not unfair at all. Its actually one of the best lessons a teacher can give you. Almost every single profession/job requires you to work with others/teams. You will encounter folks of all types, some you work well with, some you don't, some who work as hard as you, some you you work harder then, and some who work even harder then you. You need to know how to deal/work with different kinds of people. Take this as a life lesson.

Don't think it should affect my school grade as much as it does though.

This would actually make more sense to me. "Yes, group projects usually are not fair, but life isn't fair either." You can't tell me that this is fair... Why :? Students complain all the time in school: 'When will ever need this in the real world'; 'This is pointless'; etc Group projects are just like real life. Your manager does not care who did what...only what the outcome is. You are rewarded (keep your job) or punished (fired) as a collective

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Getting stuck with a partner can certainly suck. I hate nothing more than getting stuck with someone who cannot pull their weight. It's not a whole lot different at any job you might be employed in. You're going to experience your fair share of idiots you have to work with. Sometimes, with those experiences, your boss is going to be pissed at you even when it's not your fault. Anyway, I hate how school systems are run. They like to punish the wrong people. How bloody genius.
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#98 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Failing a class isn't like getting fired though. It isn't as if you have to leave that class after you fail. More often than not, you have to retake it. Do you get fired and then redo your job?

SgtKevali

get another job in the same industry (a tax accountant gets another job as a tax accountant)...take the same class again Same thing

Nah. When you get fired you aren't guarenteed another job.

Depends on what level you are at. HS = 99% chance you get to take the class again Min wage job = 99% chance you can find another College = some classes you only get one chance to pass (weed out classes) High level jobs = you may not get another one (lawyer disbarred) Same thing
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#99 rawsavon
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[Wakanoid
I have no idea what you are trying to tell me :? Also, you have to get better at your quotes (second time I can't figure them out)
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#100 mattbbpl
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Do the semantics of whether a getting kicked out of school and getting fired are the same really matter? As Raw pointed out, the point of school is to allow you to succeed as an adult and, as an adult, you need to be able to deal with group tasks and group dynamics.

The way I see it, whether or not the repercussions in each of these environments is equivalent is irrelevant - the point is that the skill is necessary.