Payout to families of IRA and loyalist terrorists.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/82304

So what do you guys think about this?

Is this a harmonising deed, designed to heal the raw wounds that is bore by both the families of the vicitms and terrorists, or rather is this a despicable insult to those who died at the hands of the vile terrorists, and certainly an act that will reinvigorate feelings of bitter resentment and grief?

I do not consider the IRA terrorists,so I have no problem with it.mattykovax

[QUOTE="mattykovax"]I do not consider the IRA terrorists,so I have no problem with it.noswear

[QUOTE="noswear"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]I do not consider the IRA terrorists,so I have no problem with it.mattykovax

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="noswear"] :| Do you consider al-Qa'ida to be terrorists?MetalGear_Ninty

I've no problem with this,not everyone in the IRA were terrorists,some were just fighting for complete independance for IrelandMcManus107

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]We were not occupying al-Qa'ida's land. ireland has been occupied for so long people seem to think its right,and it is not.RiseAgainst12

one man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighters.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] It's not an occupation if Northern Ireland is considered to be part of one nation/kingdom as a whole i.e. the United Kingdom MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] so the British never invaded hundreds of years ago? They didn't prosecute the native Irish? drive them off there land and keep them from it? denie them the right to rule themselves? you clearly have little knowledge on this.RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] so the British never invaded hundreds of years ago? They didn't prosecute the native Irish? drive them off there land and keep them from it? denie them the right to rule themselves? you clearly have little knowledge on this.RiseAgainst12

"Terrorism" is a BS word. No "terrorist" just goes out and says "oh, i'm going to cause some terror today". They all fight for something they believe in.Bloodbath_87

So are you trying say that Northern Ireland isn't a part of the UK? Is that what you are trying to say? Because unless you can, you have no grounds to say that I have little knowledge of this subject.AnObscureName

"Terrorism" is a BS word. No "terrorist" just goes out and says "oh, i'm going to cause some terror today". They all fight for something they believe in.Bloodbath_87

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]"Terrorism" is a BS word. No "terrorist" just goes out and says "oh, i'm going to cause some terror today". They all fight for something they believe in.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] So are you trying say that Northern Ireland isn't a part of the UK? Is that what you are trying to say? Because unless you can, you have no grounds to say that I have little knowledge of this subject.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]"Terrorism" is a BS word. No "terrorist" just goes out and says "oh, i'm going to cause some terror today". They all fight for something they believe in.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] It's not an occupation if Northern Ireland is considered to be part of one nation/kingdom as a whole i.e. the United Kingdom MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]"Terrorism" is a BS word. No "terrorist" just goes out and says "oh, i'm going to cause some terror today". They all fight for something they believe in.Bartimaeus23

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] no i never said it wasn't, i was pointing out that it is still occupied land. and i do have grounds to say cause you show little Knowledge firstly when you use IRA to discribe all groups at the time, and also that you think land is not occupied by a foriegn government.RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] So how is Northern Ireland occupied by a foreign government?MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] The British are a foriegn government to the Irish people.RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"]"Terrorism" is a BS word. No "terrorist" just goes out and says "oh, i'm going to cause some terror today". They all fight for something they believe in.RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Yeah, and the British don't occupy the Republic of Ireland.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] so what those in the north aren't Irish? RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]one man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighters.xTheExploited

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Yeah, but the problem is, is that me and others like me don't give a flying **** what they believe in -- when their actions cause the needless death and terrorisation of innocent civiliansMetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] They're are British and Northern Irish.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] What about the suffering the british establishment cause to the Catholic minority of the north? you seem to forget 2 key players in the Troubles that being the British forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. why wont you comment on them? RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] What about the suffering the british establishment cause to the Catholic minority of the north? you seem to forget 2 key players in the Troubles that being the British forces and Loyalist paramilitaries. why wont you comment on them? RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] There was bad things done by both sides. But the IRA's motives were primarily immoral IMO.AnObscureName

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Sorry Northern what? RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] There was bad things done by both sides. But the IRA's motives were primarily immoral IMO.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] When have i shown Bias? This topic singles out the Nationalist paramillitaries. i am simply sticking to the topic. and IRA as a whole directs so many organisations and views and it is wrong to clump them together.AnObscureName

[QUOTE="AnObscureName"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] yes some splinter organisations were very extreme and i do not agree. But the IRA during 1960's held very high morals and later when the Provisional IRA formed they upheld many morals in there fight and done there absolute best to avoid civillian casualties. You cannot comment on the IRA as a whole and also cant comment on the Troubles and it's legacy showing obvious bias against the Nationalist cause. and there Motives for fighting were not immoral.. Irish catholics were being heavily prosecuted in many different areas eg. housing, jobs. they wanted to put an end to it and politics were obviously failing, they wanted to show the British government that the problem could not just be ignored and they would have to engage in diplomatic talks to resolve an Agreement between all sides.RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] yes some splinter organisations were very extreme and i do not agree. But the IRA during 1960's held very high morals and later when the Provisional IRA formed they upheld many morals in there fight and done there absolute best to avoid civillian casualties. You cannot comment on the IRA as a whole and also cant comment on the Troubles and it's legacy showing obvious bias against the Nationalist cause. and there Motives for fighting were not immoral.. Irish catholics were being heavily prosecuted in many different areas eg. housing, jobs. they wanted to put an end to it and politics were obviously failing, they wanted to show the British government that the problem could not just be ignored and they would have to engage in diplomatic talks to resolve an Agreement between all sides.RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well, I supposse you could call them both Northern Irish and Irish. But Northern Irish is more precise. Nevertheless, they are fully British citizens.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] But the IRA tried to create political change in the country by using force and terrorism. Even though the majority of people in Northern Ireland wanted to remain a part of the UK. MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="AnObscureName"] If he cannot comment on the IRA as a whole or on the Troubles because he is biased against the Nationalist cause then why should you when you are bias for the Nationalists...MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Northern Ireland is not a country and so doesnt hold a nationality. hence why you can only hold either Irish or British or both. Northern Ireland was set up as a temporary state until an agreement was made, they just never agreed on anything and so it has stayed as a prolonged state.RiseAgainst12