Pedophiles Worse Than Murderers?

Its not actually a pedo's fault if their a pedophile. its wrong to actually try to do stuff with underage children though.

I would say pedophilia is much worse than murder, yes. If you kill someone they no longer care. When you sexually abuse a child they're very likely to be scarred for the rest of their life.Sunsha

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Okay, I know pedophilia is pretty messed up. Nobody wants to be molested (well, most people). I'm not trying to downplay any of that. But it seems to me that people are always consistently more outraged by pedophiles than... well, than anything, really. And I've never really been able to understand that. Someone kills someone else... okay, bad stuff, move on. Someone molests a kid... the lynch mobs come out. Plus there's the websites that tell you about sex offenders in your neighborhood. But I've never heard of a site that tells you about murderers in your neighborhood. Maybe it's out there somewhere, but I've never seen it. So what is it about sex crimes that outrages people in a way that even the most heinous of murders could never do? I'm nowhere near a fan of rape, but if I was forced to choose between being raped or being murdered, and the choice would seem fairly obvious. To me anyway.

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And what of the parents? What about their emotional state caused by losing a child? What of brothers and sisters? And aunts and uncles? Grandparents? Cousins? Friends? Murder hurts a lot more people. Child sex abuse (paedohpilia is a poor term to use as it only refers to children being abused, and not pubescent or post-pubescent children) hurts the child, who CAN eventually get over it (not saying its likely, but it is possible). Being sexually abused is not an instant life sentence to depression, PTSD and other disorders.foxhound_fox

Do you fear rape more than death? parkurtommo

Does the first post even specify an age of the murder victim? I didn't read it. Either way, I realize these people suffer. Death is something you can get over though. Having to deal with something you do not comprehend at such a young age will have a very serious effect on what you're like later in life.Sunsha

Sexual abuse of children is a vile thing. That being said, I think fear of pedophilia has lead to hysteria. I remember hearing about a case where a 17 year old boy was sentenced to ten years for having sex with an underage girl. This kind of hysterical reaction to fear of child molesters is a terrible thing.Rhazakna

We are going to have to agree to disagree, because you don't want to accept my reasoning, and I can't find a good reason to accept yours.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]Do you fear rape more than death? Sunsha

Don't avoid the question. :| :Pparkurtommo

I see people saying one or the other as to which is worse. I'm curious though, what is the objective moral foundation for it even being evil in the first place? Why is it evil? If atheist ethicist Kai Nielsen is correct,

We have not been able to show that reason requires the moral point of view, or that all really rational persons should not be individual egoists or cla$$ical amoralists. Reason doesn't decide here. The picture I have painted for you is not a pleasant one. Reflection on it depresses me… Pure practical reason, even with a good knowledge of the facts, will not take you to morality. (Kai Nielsen, "Why Should I Be Moral?"American Philosophical Quarterly21 (1984), p. 90.)

Then why is it evil? Just something that popped into my head. The video in my sig, advert for atheism, deals more with this issue. People are giving their opinion as to which is worse which kind of proves my point. We have no way of knowing. there is no moral foundation except we say so which is purely subjective.

Foxhound the voice of reason now as it was 6 years ago! You are to sain and sanity is not one of the praised qualities this days.Anyway as always you are rightdelol

Apparently raping a child is worse than killing it.toast_burner

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Sexual abuse of children is a vile thing. That being said, I think fear of pedophilia has lead to hysteria. I remember hearing about a case where a 17 year old boy was sentenced to ten years for having sex with an underage girl. This kind of hysterical reaction to fear of child molesters is a terrible thing.Sunsha

True, but the hysteria over pedophilia is what has lead to these laws that say someone can never ever conscent to sex unless they're over some arbitrary age. The fact that those examples aren't pedophilia, but still have massive punishments attached to them prove how hysterical the society has become over "children'" and sex.

In your opinion and his. You can't tell people whose opinion is right.Sunsha

True, but the hysteria over pedophilia is what has lead to these laws that say someone can never ever conscent to sex unless they're over some arbitrary age. The fact that those examples aren't pedophilia, but still have massive punishments attached to them prove how hysterical the society has become over "children'" and sex.Rhazakna

An opinion can be wrong if based on spurious reasoning or lacking any evidence to provide support for it. Of course, one is entitled to say anything they want. They just aren't right.foxhound_fox

I see people saying one or the other as to which is worse. I'm curious though, what is the objective moral foundation for it even being evil in the first place? Why is it evil? If atheist ethicist Kai Nielsen is correct,

We have not been able to show that reason requires the moral point of view, or that all really rational persons should not be individual egoists or cla$$ical amoralists. Reason doesn't decide here. The picture I have painted for you is not a pleasant one. Reflection on it depresses me… Pure practical reason, even with a good knowledge of the facts, will not take you to morality. (Kai Nielsen, "Why Should I Be Moral?"American Philosophical Quarterly21 (1984), p. 90.)

Then why is it evil? Just something that popped into my head. The video in my sig, advert for atheism, deals more with this issue. People are giving their opinion as to which is worse which kind of proves my point. We have no way of knowing. there is no moral foundation except we say so which is purely subjective.

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I look at this way: in murder the person can't recover because they are dead ,which is very serious in its own right, and in pedophelia they have trouble recovering. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

I prefer the term " Child Molester

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]We are going to have to agree to disagree, because you don't want to accept my reasoning, and I can't find a good reason to accept yours.Sunsha

I would rather my child molested than dead, though both are unfortunate situations, there's always a hopes being alive.

I would try my best to help the child get over it, or at least get better with age. but if the child is dead, there's no point in anything, it would certainly hurt me more personally.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Pedophiles are child murderers to me and should be eligible for capital punishmentmeconate

[QUOTE="Sunsha"]I would say pedophilia is much worse than murder, yes. If you kill someone they no longer care. When you sexually abuse a child they're very likely to be scarred for the rest of their life.parkurtommo

if thats the case, then eternal emptiness and nothingness beats the hell out of a lifetime of painfull memories and emotional problems

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[QUOTE="Sunsha"]I would say pedophilia is much worse than murder, yes. If you kill someone they no longer care. When you sexually abuse a child they're very likely to be scarred for the rest of their life.Neo-ganon

if thats the case, then eternal emptiness and nothingness beats the hell out of a lifetime of painfull memories and emotional problems

I don't believe that at all. People can learn to cope and get over it, they still have their lives and hopefully don't have any lasting physical damage from the ordeal. They can use that terrible experience to help others, and as hard as it is to get over, dying is worse and doesn't give them a chance to live their lives, find love, find happiness.

Dying should very rarely, if ever be a better option.

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[QUOTE="Sunsha"]I would say pedophilia is much worse than murder, yes. If you kill someone they no longer care. When you sexually abuse a child they're very likely to be scarred for the rest of their life.Neo-ganon

if thats the case, then eternal emptiness and nothingness beats the hell out of a lifetime of painfull memories and emotional problems

I actually don't have a lot against people who are pedophiles.

Murderers by very definition have commited murder but not all pedophiles have taken advantage of children. If you have a fetish for children that's pretty gross but as long as you don't commit a crime I don't have any particular reason to dislike you.

i think phedopelia is wrongly seen in a lot of ways. Pedofiles are mostly people who were abused as a kid themselves. It's very simple a kid does what he has learned , so when you molest a child there's a good chance that kid will molest other kids and will keep on doing it into adulthood. In some older cultures pedopelia was actually a normal thing (allthough with some bounderies) but in this culture it is not accepted, you get outcasted for it.

That's why i think people hate so much pedophiles because the kid they're abusing could possible become one himself. I think that adults who abuse a child that's not even hit puberty should get extensive therapy and the kids that are abused too because otherwise the problem will never go away.

And indeed murdering is worse , The sites that list all these sex-offenders is imo ridiculous . In my country such a thing is forbidden, when a person is punished, the punishment should end when the judge says so, not a mob, a mob isn't righteous. Privacy is too important for that. They started with sex offenders now but the line is getting very thin. I have seen people on that list like a 20 year old with a 15 year old. This is even legal in a lot of countries.

Internet technology is new and as with all new technology humanity takes a step back. WoI & II are a good example for this , it's too bad governments and cultures can't catch up immediately because everytime a new technology comes up the followers are without a leader and negative emotions like fear come back.

We are all much happier when we live in peace. I just hope the next technological revolution doesn't come to soon namely nanotechnology because the internet is still taking hold of us right now.