people say u need meat in order 2 B strong.. Check those kids on rice and beans!

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

moral superiority, luz. who judges what moral ideas are superior? is it the guy making the claim to be superior? if so i would be cautious.

yomanjdf

a. yeah lets follow religions, im gonna buy a cow and worship it

b. did anyone say they are hunting here for sport? i just eat them.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

moral superiority, luz. who judges what moral ideas are superior? is it the guy making the claim to be superior? if so i would be cautious.

yomanjdf

The Buddha ate meat. In fact his final meal is said to have been pork. And he flat out refused to place any dietary restrictions upon his followers.

Wow, if all vegetarians have grammar and spelling this terrible then I'm going to go club and eat raw seal so I don't get to that point.

Jeez, its like my eyes are being assaulted by poor structure and a failed education system.

fruits collecting is not cow's murder!- u cant compare

still - tibetians eat meat cause in the mountains they have no other choice - in india they have just like u do

and my probs with english is funny =) but please talk on the subject dont run from it

btw

better worship a cow (life and nature) then worship a dead man on a stick

fruits collecting is not cow's murder!- u cant compare

still - tibetians eat meat cause in the mountains they have no other choice - in india they have just like u do

and my probs with english is funny =) but please talk on the subject dont run from it

btw

better worship a cow (life and nature) then worship a dead man on a stick

yomanjdf

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

i already said - that the animels factories take ten times more land
ull say anything in order to eat meat i have no interst!
lets see how u slain those cows and let ur kids see it we ment to eat meat - no?

yomanjdf

I don't...even --what---?

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

worlock77

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

Engrish_Major

Only I'm not making the argument that it's worse. Simply that it is not as innocent and harmless as the TC claims.

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

fruits collecting is not cow's murder!- u cant compare

still - tibetians eat meat cause in the mountains they have no other choice - in india they have just like u do

and my probs with english is funny =) but please talk on the subject dont run from it

btw

better worship a cow (life and nature) then worship a dead man on a stick

worlock77

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

fruits collecting is not cow's murder!- u cant compare

still - tibetians eat meat cause in the mountains they have no other choice - in india they have just like u do

and my probs with english is funny =) but please talk on the subject dont run from it

btw

better worship a cow (life and nature) then worship a dead man on a stick

yomanjdf

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

Cow Slayer is the new name of my band. Thanks!

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

fruits collecting is not cow's murder!- u cant compare

still - tibetians eat meat cause in the mountains they have no other choice - in india they have just like u do

and my probs with english is funny =) but please talk on the subject dont run from it

btw

better worship a cow (life and nature) then worship a dead man on a stick

yomanjdf

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

Are you ever going to actually address the point, or are you going to continue to duck it and groundlessly act superior?

Cow Slayer is the new name of my band. Thanks!

CDuG

is a murderer!yomanjdf

no u r morderer for eat vegetables like bad ppl

[QUOTE="CDuG"]

Cow Slayer is the new name of my band. Thanks!

Engrish_Major

I suddenly have the urge to listen to Reign in Blood.

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

- Fruits aren't collected anymore. They're mass produced on giant farms, sprayed with tons of chemical pesticides, picked by migrant workers are are treated little better than slaves, and shipped all over in large transport vehicles which do lots of damage to the envrionment and run over poor little bunnies, deer and cats.

- Why brought Tibetans up?

- Do you really want to try to turn this into a religous pissing match now?

worlock77

Are you ever going to actually address the point, or are you going to continue to duck it and groundlessly act superior?

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

u compare veg harvest to animals harvest?! i'ts like comparing cutting hair to cutting a finger! cow slayer for money and taste - not for surviving is a murderer!yomanjdf

Are you ever going to actually address the point, or are you going to continue to duck it and groundlessly act superior?

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"] u compare veg harvest to animals harvest?! i'ts like comparing cutting hair to cutting a finger! cow slayer for money and taste - not for surviving is a murderer!yomanjdf

Are you ever going to actually address the point, or are you going to continue to duck it and groundlessly act superior?

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.

No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.worlock77

i did addressed everything u said! and what letter of

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

yomanjdf

animals are notmy friends trrees are my friends

are you sitting on a chair? it was a tree

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Are you ever going to actually address the point, or are you going to continue to duck it and groundlessly act superior?

worlock77

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="worlock77"]No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.Vandalvideo

"Unlawful killing" seems to be pretty much the standard definition of "murder" throughout most cultures across the ages as far as I can tell. That's why, for example, when a solider kills an enemy solider at war it's not called murder.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"] i did addressed everything u said! and what letter of

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

yomanjdf

No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.

Please, I'm begging you, address the point. You keep ducking it because it's inconvenient to your moral high horse.

"Unlawful killing" seems to be pretty much the standard definition of "murder" throughout most cultures across the ages as far as I can tell. That's why, for example, when a solider kills an enemy solider at war it's not called murderworlock77

I eat mostly anything. I have to be strong some how.

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.

worlock77

Please, I'm begging you, address the point. You keep ducking it because it's inconvenient to your moral high horse.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"] growing animels for food takes 10 times more land and veg's - this is a fact - i already said this and what about organic growing? this thing is not new - being here for long timeyomanjdf

Please, I'm begging you, address the point. You keep ducking it because it's inconvenient to your moral high horse.

- You're claiming moral superiority because you believe that what you eat does not involve killing. It does. A lot of killing. Animals are killing in the production of your food. Inestcts are killed from chemical pesticides. Rabbits, mices and other field animals are crushed, chopped up, and eviscerated by huge faming macined such as combines. Animals are ran over by the vehicles that transport the produce. Fruits are picked by migrant workers who are essentially slaves. No matter what your diet of choice is there is suffering involved.

it is better to eat veg and let god decides if im a murderer or the people that use cheap and horrible ways to produce it then to give money to people that 100% of their work is torturer and kill animels meat is just like fur and leather it's barbaric and primitive to use it while u live in a diverse world so the choosing come's along i choose life. yomanjdf

So you think God should decide if you're a murderer, but you have no problem slapping that tag on others? Nice.

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"]it is better to eat veg and let god decides if im a murderer or the people that use cheap and horrible ways to produce it then to give money to people that 100% of their work is torturer and kill animels meat is just like fur and leather it's barbaric and primitive to use it while u live in a diverse world so the choosing come's along i choose life. worlock77

So you think God should decide if you're a murderer, but you have no problem slapping that tag on others? Nice.

it is better to eat veg and let god decides if im a murderer or the people that use cheap and horrible ways to produce it then to give money to people that 100% of their work is torturer and kill animels meat is just like fur and leather it's barbaric and primitive to use it while u live in a diverse world so the choosing come's along i choose life. yomanjdf

You're wrong. Meat tastes WAY better than leather.

it is better to eat veg and let god decides if im a murderer or the people that use cheap and horrible ways to produce it then to give money to people that 100% of their work is torturer and kill animels meat is just like fur and leather it's barbaric and primitive to use it while u live in a diverse world so the choosing come's along i choose life. yomanjdf

dont worrry they get plenty of money from me and my family and thousand of families that love meat and will continue to do so.

Meat is delicous. That alone is enough reason for me to eat it.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"] i did addressed everything u said! and what letter of

m u r d e r

u did not understand?this is what u do when u kill a friend. animals are my friends - i do not kill or eat them

yomanjdf

No, you did not address my point at all. What about all the animals that are killed in order for you to eat your veggies? Do they not count? And evidently it is you who do not understand "murder". Murder is unlawful killing. Harvesting cows for meat is not murder no matter how much Morrisey cries about it.

being what ever doesn't matter, animals MUST die for you to get the food you want, no matter if its beef or veggies

better worship a cow (life and nature) then worship a dead man on a stick

yomanjdf

S*** just got real

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Here's why I won't be switching from meat to veggies: comparison of 100g of beans to 100g of sirloin beef. You can't reasonably argue that veggies should be eaten over meat for people who are trying to build strength. Building strength requires a positive nitrogen balance, which requires a positive protein balance... recommendations are generally accepted to be 1.5-2g / lb of body weight. So if I weigh 150lbs, I should be eating 225-300g of protein each day. The source of choice is a no-brainer. You plan on eating 20kg of beans in a day? (yes, you read that correct). edit: you may need to adjust the serving sizes from the drop-down menus. This isn't a be-all-end-all of dietary fitness... I'd eat that much meat and include some fruit and lots of veggies for complete nutrition. And I'm specifically talking about strength training.. someone who's just interested in being toned and good at MMA won't have the same needs as someone who just wants to lift and look big.yomanjdf

why saving animels' life's is crazy?

i can live on vegan or veggie diet and be happy

why is this crazy

it think it's crazy to eat death body parts all over the plate !

[QUOTE="yomanjdf"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Here's why I won't be switching from meat to veggies: comparison of 100g of beans to 100g of sirloin beef. You can't reasonably argue that veggies should be eaten over meat for people who are trying to build strength. Building strength requires a positive nitrogen balance, which requires a positive protein balance... recommendations are generally accepted to be 1.5-2g / lb of body weight. So if I weigh 150lbs, I should be eating 225-300g of protein each day. The source of choice is a no-brainer. You plan on eating 20kg of beans in a day? (yes, you read that correct). edit: you may need to adjust the serving sizes from the drop-down menus. This isn't a be-all-end-all of dietary fitness... I'd eat that much meat and include some fruit and lots of veggies for complete nutrition. And I'm specifically talking about strength training.. someone who's just interested in being toned and good at MMA won't have the same needs as someone who just wants to lift and look big.yomanjdf

why saving animels' life's is crazy?

i can live on vegan or veggie diet and be happy

why is this crazy

it think it's crazy to eat death body parts all over the plate !