Physical vs Digital Download music: Which do you buy most often?

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="Crimtmp"]

Buy? Can someone please define this word for me?

GrabTheYayo

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="Crimtmp"]

Buy? Can someone please define this word for me?

GrabTheYayo

Uh......yes... We are indeed suckers for supporting our favourite bands...

Buy? Can someone please define this word for me?Crimtmp

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Means to pay money for something rather than to illegally download it like a crookchaplainDMK

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Means to pay money for something rather than to illegally download it like a crookchaplainDMK

i prefer hard copies

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]better then paying for it like a sucker

GrabTheYayo

Bands like U2, Radiohead, and Metallica have more than enough money.

Non-mainstream bands certainly don't. Most bands struggle to break even, let alone make a profit.

I'm old so I still like to buy a physical copy in the rare event I buy music. I'm so out of touch with the modern scene anyways. I never heard that Jestin beaver kid once.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

better then paying for it like a sucker

GrabTheYayo

Do you have a car? Oh, how about someone just take your PC or cell phone? They are yours right? You won't miss them now will ya?

Physical only, then I rip it to my harddrive so I have a more permenant copy. I don't buy music off the net.

Do you have a car? Oh, how about someone just take your PC or cell phone? They are yours right? You won't miss them now will ya?

WhiteKnight77

This is a pretty typical sensationalist argument against piracy, and it always irks me when it's made. Theft (the kind of action you're equating piracy to), removes the original. If someone steals your physical object, you no longer have it, you can no longer sell it or receive value from it. Piracy does notremove the seller's ability to sell their product, it instead just copies and distributes the product for free.

It's important to understand that difference when you're talking about piracy. Sure, if the free version is out there, why would anyone buy the product? You could perhaps point the finger at society's morals, saying that we are all selfish people who just want stuff for free. I think, however, that most people have an understanding of value, but if a product is not convincingly "valuable" to people then who is at fault, the consumers or the people making the product? For sure, a good album or even a single costs money to make, but this cost is going down. Along with the complete over-saturation of pop "hits" the value of music should be going down as well. But they haven't, and since the internet allows for much easier promotion and distribution, people are starting to want to collect more music and there is no legal way for them to listen to and discover new music as easily as piracy allows.

tl;dr: Piracy is a tricky issue that blame can't be pinned 100% on either side.

on topic: I have mostly digital music, because it's convenient and I travel around a lot.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Do you have a car? Oh, how about someone just take your PC or cell phone? They are yours right? You won't miss them now will ya?

Thebettafish

This is a pretty typical sensationalist argument against piracy, and it always irks me when it's made. Theft (the kind of action you're equating piracy to), removes the original. If someone steals your physical object, you no longer have it, you can no longer sell it or receive value from it. Piracy does notremove the seller's ability to sell their product, it instead just copies and distributes the product for free.

It's important to understand that difference when you're talking about piracy. Sure, if the free version is out there, why would anyone buy the product? You could perhaps point the finger at society's morals, saying that we are all selfish people who just want stuff for free. I think, however, that most people have an understanding of value, but if a product is not convincingly "valuable" to people then who is at fault, the consumers or the people making the product? For sure, a good album or even a single costs money to make, but this cost is going down. Along with the complete over-saturation of pop "hits" the value of music should be going down as well. But they haven't, and since the internet allows for much easier promotion and distribution, people are starting to want to collect more music and there is no legal way for them to listen to and discover new music as easily as piracy allows.

tl;dr: Piracy is a tricky issue that blame can't be pinned 100% on either side.

on topic: I have mostly digital music, because it's convenient and I travel around a lot.

To say that a song does not hold value for a band is false. Band X puts a song on iTunes for .99 and iTunes makes .30 on each one that they sell. iTunes sells 50 copies of it and the band gets their share from iTunes, but there are 100 people saying that they have the song, yet iTunes is the only way to get said song. Now remember that Band X had to rent time at a recording studio and pay sound engineers and such for their time. How does Band X do that when they haven't received any money equal to the number of songs people have? The song belongs to Band X and if they didn't give it away, why should someone else give it away or why should anyone else receive it for free? To Band X, their song has value to them and when you give their song away, you keep them from receiving the value of said song. How is that not like the instances I listed previously? When someone puts something up for sale, it is deemed to have a value and as such, if you take even a copy for free, you deprive the owner of that value. Just as a car has a value to it's owner, the creator of a song sees value in his work. If the creator doesn't ask for money it is one thing, but when money is asked for, "free copies" is stealing, just as taking a car from an owner is stealing.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Not if you have FLAC files.

DmadFearmonger

True. When FLAC or some other lossless format becomes standard, that's when I'll consider switching to digital.

Half the **** I listen to is pretty damn hard to find in Australia on CD, so I download out of necessity

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] So would be ok with it if someone just took what you are doing for a paycheck for free? Like maybe you're a store owner, and a guy just comes in and steals evreything?broken_bass_bin

Bands like U2, Radiohead, and Metallica have more than enough money.

Non-mainstream bands certainly don't. Most bands struggle to break even, let alone make a profit.

I tend to just buy the physical cd's for collection purposes.

[QUOTE="broken_bass_bin"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]of course not. but im not a store owner, and no one is stealing from me....plus these artists have more the enough money. its time for them to donate. stealing a song or two from them isnt going to kill them.

yes im a socialist.

Vinegar_Strokes

Bands like U2, Radiohead, and Metallica have more than enough money.

Non-mainstream bands certainly don't. Most bands struggle to break even, let alone make a profit.

Bands like Radiohead, U2 and Metallica can do it, because they can get away with selling out 50,000+ capacity arenas at £50 a ticket, and selling thousands of T-shirts at each gig at £20 a pop. They can charge extorionate amounts and they'll still sell every last ticket.

But unless they're lucky enough to be touted as the next big thing, new acts in particular just don't have enough of a following to make it rich from gigging and selling merchandise. They play to 500 capacity clubs at £10 a ticket. They sell maybe 20 T-shirts at £10 each. Then they need to give some to the tour organizers, and the rest goes to paying back the record label.

Well-established bands with a big fanbase make money from touring. New fledgling bands need money from record sales to help break even.

Digital download is all i do anymore. I find no reason for CD's because all it is is a hassle. Takes more time to set up, and i'm really bad at keeping CD's organized and i usually end up losing them.

To say that a song does not hold value for a band is false. Band X puts a song on iTunes for .99 and iTunes makes .30 on each one that they sell. iTunes sells 50 copies of it and the band gets their share from iTunes, but there are 100 people saying that they have the song, yet iTunes is the only way to get said song. Now remember that Band X had to rent time at a recording studio and pay sound engineers and such for their time. How does Band X do that when they haven't received any money equal to the number of songs people have? The song belongs to Band X and if they didn't give it away, why should someone else give it away or why should anyone else receive it for free? To Band X, their song has value to them and when you give their song away, you keep them from receiving the value of said song. How is that not like the instances I listed previously? When someone puts something up for sale, it is deemed to have a value and as such, if you take even a copy for free, you deprive the owner of that value. Just as a car has a value to it's owner, the creator of a song sees value in his work. If the creator doesn't ask for money it is one thing, but when money is asked for, "free copies" is stealing, just as taking a car from an owner is stealing.

WhiteKnight77

I didn't say that a band doesn't value their songs. Also, you're missing a key ingredient in this chain: the record labels. It's kind of shocking but most record labels often put off or just straight up do not pay the artists (look up a recent lawsuit that forced a Canadian label to pay up huge sums of money to their artists). Most artists actually make a lot more of their profit from performing live, merchandise sales, etc. To your point about paying for studio time and what not, that was exactly what I was referencing when I said the cost of making an album was going down, not to mention you can reach a much larger audience thanks to the internet, plus, the artists don't pay for this the label does.

I've never buy a digital song. But I have a bunch of CD's. :D