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#1 TERMINAT0R1
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Hey I was just wondering if anyone could help me with a physics question. I more so need help finding references than anything else. The question is "Why doesn't the US have a permanent spy satellite over Iraq 24 hours a day? Why instead are there a series of satellites who overlap?"

I've been trying Google and can't seem to find anything so any help finding information would be GREATLY appreciated.

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#2 DrCoCoPiMp
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I guess orbiting and the rotation of the planet has sumthin do to with thiz
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#3 Setsa
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So Iraq doesn't get suspicious duh....
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#4 TERMINAT0R1
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Yeah it has to do with the physics obviously. I'm thinking it would take too much power to get it moving that fast, but I can't seem to find any sources at all to back it up
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#5 munu9
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Maybe it's not a prime spot for a geosynchronous orbit for some reason?
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#6 Gigagamer2
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a couple of reasons i can think of that are probably wrong:

A permanent satellite means geostationary orbit, which is around 22000 miles above the equator. And for a surveillance satellite to provide the sort of information needed on the surface (ie, troop and armour movements etc) in enough detail, it just would be too difficult. Not only that, if there is cloud cover (in Iraq, im not sure), then proper surveillance isnt possible.

It would also be very expensive to launch a satellite of its type, when there are others which are able to monitor the area every few days. UAVs can also be used to pick up vital information. Not only that, launching a permanent satellite would help international relations would it.

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#7 TERMINAT0R1
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Maybe it's not a prime spot for a geosynchronous orbit for some reason? munu9
Ohh, maybe it has to do with the country not being on the equator. For something to orbit an area not on the equator, it wouldn't be able to orbit at all. Sorta like the orbit looks like the planet's halo. Sound right?
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Yeah it has to do with the physics obviously. I'm thinking it would take too much power to get it moving that fast, but I can't seem to find any sources at all to back it upTERMINAT0R1
Power shouldn't be an issue since there's no drag force in space.
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#9 TERMINAT0R1
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[QUOTE="TERMINAT0R1"]Yeah it has to do with the physics obviously. I'm thinking it would take too much power to get it moving that fast, but I can't seem to find any sources at all to back it upFunky_Llama
Power shouldn't be an issue since there's no drag force in space.

In lower orbit, there is little air resistance actually. I mean it would take a lot of energy to get a satellite moving as fast as the Earth's rotation. Nonetheless, I don't think energy is the answer.
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Satellites can only be put into geostationary orbits at the equator.
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maybe for trianglulation purposes. no gps systems rely on a single lone satelite. that would be my guess. i never heard this in referece to spy satellites so i really would know. what level of pysics is this?
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#12 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="TERMINAT0R1"]Yeah it has to do with the physics obviously. I'm thinking it would take too much power to get it moving that fast, but I can't seem to find any sources at all to back it upTERMINAT0R1
Power shouldn't be an issue since there's no drag force in space.

In lower orbit, there is little air resistance actually. I mean it would take a lot of energy to get a satellite moving as fast as the Earth's rotation. Nonetheless, I don't think energy is the answer.

Ah crap, I assumed that it was in space. :P
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#13 Gigagamer2
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Satellites can only be put into geostationary orbits at the equator. thriteenthmonke

yes but at 22,000 miles, you can see from pole to pole pretty much. Weather satellites for example. I can see photos of the UK taken from a geostationary satellite from the met office.

The issue is that the quality of the images is nowhere near high enough to pick out surface details to half a meter, which is the sort of level the military use. Im sure you have heard in movies the idea of being able to tell what the headline on a newspaper is or whether you have a shoelace tied or not from a satellite. Now this is exaggerated (i hope) but seeing that from 20000 miles away, you can see the problem here.

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#14 thriteenthmonke
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[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"]Satellites can only be put into geostationary orbits at the equator. Gigagamer2

yes but at 22,000 miles, you can see from pole to pole pretty much. Weather satellites for example. I can see photos of the UK taken from a geostationary satellite from the met office.

The issue is that the quality of the images is nowhere near high enough to pick out surface details to half a meter, which is the sort of level the military use. Im sure you have heard in movies the idea of being able to tell what the headline on a newspaper is or whether you have a shoelace tied or not from a satellite. Now this is exaggerated (i hope) but seeing that from 20000 miles away, you can see the problem here.

I interpreted the "over Iraq" in the question as meaning directly above Iraq rather than within view of Iraq.
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I'd imagine that having, say, 4 keyhole satellites that sweep east-west and that can be re-tasked to specific locations is more efficient than assigning a geosynched one to a given hotspot and then decommissioning it when trouble there is "resolved." I'd think it's less a physics issue than an economics one.