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Plan to split California into 6 states advances

whipassmt · 2014-07-17 09:27:15

an initiative to split California into 6 states has garnered more than 807,000 signatures, and is now going to be on the ballot for November 2016. I don't think it will pass (people generally don't like radical change), but if it does there may be six new states (Congress would probably have to approve that though).According to Forbes Columnist Travis Brown ' the initiative would achieve the triumvirate goal of proportionately distributing California’s debts based on population, ending all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California, and creating new, more representative governments with the ability to enact public policies that make the most sense for the new state.' Brown says that the new states would be smaller 'and thus more efficient and closer to their constituents'. He also believes that California is a 'failed state'.I guess if this did go through it could benefit other states, by taking all of the political power California has and breaking it up into six smaller states.

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#51 Edited By Kenocratic

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There are very few states with the same name as a major city within the state. There's New York and Oklahoma (Oklahoma City.) Somehow a state named San Diego (where I live) wouldn't sound right, sounds a little off. The great state of San Diego. No that's sounds funny. So who can come up with a name for the state for the San Diego region?

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I'd rather they not waste time and resources on something this stupid. How about instead, they start addressing their massive state debt?

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#53 XaosII

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@The-Apostle said:

@XaosII said:

@The-Apostle said:

I'm not seeing the problem.

You don't see the problem in the fact that since its becoming so difficult for a party to win that instead of changing people's hearts and minds, its better to change the system so that it's more beneficial to them?

You would be gaming the election system rather than actually following any kind of democratic process. You don't see that as problematic?

Actually, I heard the guy who proposed it is an Independent.

I'm aware of that. Splitting up California into 6 states allow either party to pick up more senate and house seats by gerrymandering the subdivided states further. But i wasn't asking the person who introduced the bill; i was asking you: You don't see a problem when the most effective way for a party to win is to game the election process instead of winning over people's minds?

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#54 The-Apostle

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@XaosII said:

@The-Apostle said:

@XaosII said:

@The-Apostle said:

I'm not seeing the problem.

You don't see the problem in the fact that since its becoming so difficult for a party to win that instead of changing people's hearts and minds, its better to change the system so that it's more beneficial to them?

You would be gaming the election system rather than actually following any kind of democratic process. You don't see that as problematic?

Actually, I heard the guy who proposed it is an Independent.

I'm aware of that. Splitting up California into 6 states allow either party to pick up more senate and house seats by gerrymandering the subdivided states further. But i wasn't asking the person who introduced the bill; i was asking you: You don't see a problem when the most effective way for a party to win is to game the election process instead of winning over people's minds?

No, I don't. As long as the new state I'm living in at the time of the split (which TBH I don't ever see happening) is Conservative, I'm happy. I can't stand California as it is now.

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@Aljosa23 said:

@airshocker said:

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Another Republican gerrymandering scheme only now they want to re-draw state lines. Funny shit indeed.

If the lines more accurately represent each state, why not?

"If" they do then that's fine. No reason for me to think this is anything more than GOP vote cheating as of now though.

What are you talking about? Creating different states would bring two more senators a piece. Not to mention representatives for states specifically.

That's pretty damn good odds for either party to pick up more seats.

I was talking more about the electoral college. The GOP knows they will never win California so the next best thing is to split the state up so they at least get something.

But the fact remains that there are certain parts of California that ARE Republican. This would attempt to correct that. As well as create competition between the six states.

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#56 deactivated-5e9044657a310

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@XaosII said:

@The-Apostle said:

I'm not seeing the problem.

You don't see the problem in the fact that since its becoming so difficult for a party to win that instead of changing people's hearts and minds, its better to change the system so that it's more beneficial to them?

You would be gaming the election system rather than actually following any kind of democratic process. You don't see that as problematic?

That's exactly what the GOP just got busted for in Florida

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