Police Brutality, Lost Respect for the Police

alright, how about the last 5 shots. theres no way you can possibly justify that? was the guy gonna throw the ax back at the cops with five bullets in his stomach?BossPerson

Many things. He was shooting one handed and trying to control a police dog, he could have missed a few times. He could have gotten caught up in the moment. Faced with a high-intensity situation, nerves get frayed. Maybe he didn't realize he squeezed off so many shots?

What the fvck does it matter in the end? The guy came at them with an ax INTENDING to kill them. He got what he deserved.

The one where the car flips over is the most disturbing. The guy flies out and is either dead or terribly injured, and the cops jump on him and start pounding on him?

Eh I don't exactly have any love for cops but I'm not painting all cops over one video. Some cops DO try to make a difference....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]alright, how about the last 5 shots. theres no way you can possibly justify that? was the guy gonna throw the ax back at the cops with five bullets in his stomach?airshocker

Many things. He was shooting one handed and trying to control a police dog, he could have missed a few times. He could have gotten caught up in the moment. Faced with a high-intensity situation, nerves get frayed. Maybe he didn't realize he squeezed off so many shots?

What the fvck does it matter in the end? The guy came at them with an ax INTENDING to kill them. He got what he deserved.

Unfortunately there are very few cops who are officers and many more who are pigs. It used to be the other around, but today it seems everyone has a point to prove, especially pigs.

there should be some kind of restraint, cops should be trained not to do that. It doesnt even matter, the cop saw him on the floor, and decided to put more bullets into him..... BossPerson

Become a cop, and then you can make those kinds of remarks. Otherwise, it's just uninformed drivel.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]there should be some kind of restraint, cops should be trained not to do that. It doesnt even matter, the cop saw him on the floor, and decided to put more bullets into him..... airshocker

Become a cop, and then you can make those kinds of remarks. Otherwise, it's just uninformed drivel.

Ah contraire.....without uninformed drivel where would OT be? I refuse to lose my entertainment.:xLJS9502_basic

You have Bucked for that. :P

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]there should be some kind of restraint, cops should be trained not to do that. It doesnt even matter, the cop saw him on the floor, and decided to put more bullets into him..... airshocker

Become a cop, and then you can make those kinds of remarks. Otherwise, it's just uninformed drivel.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah contraire.....without uninformed drivel where would OT be? I refuse to lose my entertainment.:xairshocker

You have Bucked for that. :P

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]there should be some kind of restraint, cops should be trained not to do that. It doesnt even matter, the cop saw him on the floor, and decided to put more bullets into him..... airshocker

Become a cop, and then you can make those kinds of remarks. Otherwise, it's just uninformed drivel.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah contraire.....without uninformed drivel where would OT be? I refuse to lose my entertainment.:xairshocker

You have Bucked for that. :P

[QUOTE="airshocker"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]there should be some kind of restraint, cops should be trained not to do that. It doesnt even matter, the cop saw him on the floor, and decided to put more bullets into him..... BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="airshocker"]Become a cop, and then you can make those kinds of remarks. Otherwise, it's just uninformed drivel.LJS9502_basic

idont have to be a cop to know shooting an injured guy whose one the floor (he could very well be dead as well) is a fvcked up thing to do. Are cops always right according to you? I bet you have a way to justify spraying those occupy college students who were sitting down with pepper spray ass wellBossPerson

Sure you do, because neither you, nor I, know how many times that man was shot nor what was going on the mind of the officer at the time.

I do. They refused orders to move and were there unlawfully. That gave the cops justification to pacify them and move them.

Some cops are good, some are bad, you get this with every occupation.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]idont have to be a cop to know shooting an injured guy whose one the floor (he could very well be dead as well) is a fvcked up thing to do. Are cops always right according to you? I bet you have a way to justify spraying those occupy college students who were sitting down with pepper spray ass wellBossPerson

maybe we should play a game where we tell airshocker of police brutality or US war crimes, and well see if he can justify them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44Dq-TPHtw try this one

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]Most POs are poorly educated? Many departments require an associates degree and some even require a four year degree...... Please, understand what the hell you are talking about before riding your high horse into battle.jonathant5

I know plenty of people who attended a university who are complete morons. Going to college doesn't mean sh*t.

maybe we should play a game where we tell airshocker of police brutality or US war crimes, and well see if he can justify them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44Dq-TPHtw try this one

BossPerson

I have better things to do than watch biased videos provided by you. Like Skyrim.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

maybe we should play a game where we tell airshocker of police brutality or US war crimes, and well see if he can justify them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44Dq-TPHtw try this one

airshocker

I have better things to do than watch biased videos provided by you. Like Skyrim.

*watch him say Fox news is too liberal.......

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]idont have to be a cop to know shooting an injured guy whose one the floor (he could very well be dead as well) is a fvcked up thing to do. Are cops always right according to you? I bet you have a way to justify spraying those occupy college students who were sitting down with pepper spray ass wellairshocker

Sure you do, because neither you, nor I, know how many times that man was shot nor what was going on the mind of the officer at the time.

I do. They refused orders to move and were there unlawfully. That gave the cops justification to pacify them and move them.

Why not just move them?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]idont have to be a cop to know shooting an injured guy whose one the floor (he could very well be dead as well) is a fvcked up thing to do. Are cops always right according to you? I bet you have a way to justify spraying those occupy college students who were sitting down with pepper spray ass wellsuperfluidity

Sure you do, because neither you, nor I, know how many times that man was shot nor what was going on the mind of the officer at the time.

I do. They refused orders to move and were there unlawfully. That gave the cops justification to pacify them and move them.

Why not just move them?

The video is kinda biased. You will always have corrupt cops just like you will always have bad workers, classmates, teammates etc...

Why not just move them?

superfluidity

They did move them. After they were pepper-sprayed.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Sure you do, because neither you, nor I, know how many times that man was shot nor what was going on the mind of the officer at the time.

I do. They refused orders to move and were there unlawfully. That gave the cops justification to pacify them and move them.

LJS9502_basic

Why not just move them?

Why does a person need pepper spray in their eyes to be moved? Does it make them lighter or something?

biased? Its a fox news report, im sure its free of liberal influence

*watch him say Fox news is too liberal.......

BossPerson

You got a video from Fox News? I'M SO PROUD OF YOU! Still have better things to do.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

Why not just move them?

airshocker

They did move them. After they were pepper-sprayed.

But why the pepper spray part? Just for the sake of sadism?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="superfluidity"]

Why not just move them?

superfluidity

Why does a person need pepper spray in their eyes to be moved? Does it make them lighter or something?

So you watch a few police brutality videos on youtube and judge the entire police force on that. Then you go on to say that basically police officers are unintelligent. Have you looked in the mirror lately?

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

You got a video from Fox News? I'M SO PROUD OF YOU! Still have better things to do.

airshocker

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

biased? Its a fox news report, im sure its free of liberal influence

*watch him say Fox news is too liberal.......

airshocker

You got a video from Fox News? I'M SO PROUD OF YOU! Still have better things to do.

But why the pepper spray part? Just for the sake of sadism?

superfluidity

To ensure they didn't fight back as they were being moved, obviously.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How? Stun them? Shoot them? Hit them with a club? Or spray them? Spray is the least deadly....LJS9502_basic

Why does a person need pepper spray in their eyes to be moved? Does it make them lighter or something?

In what way does that justify anything if it isn't necessary?

You're saying that inflicting pain and physical harm is fine if it makes things convenient for the cops?

alright ill just tell you: a mentally disabled guy is arrested, tied to a chair, has a rag over his mouth, and is pepper sprayed/suffocates to death... Go!

BossPerson

This game requires that I trust anything that comes from you and since I'm too busy playing Skyrim, I'm not going to waste my time watching the video.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

But why the pepper spray part? Just for the sake of sadism?

airshocker

To ensure they didn't fight back as they were being moved, obviously.

Why wouldn't handcuffs have done the trick?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="superfluidity"]

Why does a person need pepper spray in their eyes to be moved? Does it make them lighter or something?

superfluidity

In what way does that justify anything if it isn't necessary?

You're saying that inflicting pain and physical harm is fine if it makes things convenient for the cops?

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

This game requires that I trust anything that comes from you and since I'm too busy playing Skyrim, I'm not going to waste my time watching the video.

airshocker

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

alright ill just tell you: a mentally disabled guy is arrested, tied to a chair, has a rag over his mouth, and is pepper sprayed/suffocates to death... Go!

airshocker

This game requires that I trust anything that comes from you and since I'm too busy playing Skyrim, I'm not going to waste my time watching the video.

People really need to calm the hell down. Accusing all police officers of being brutal monsters because of the actions of a few is beyond ridiculous, it's naive and immature. There are dicks in every proffesion, it just happens that it's particularly visible in cops because they deal with violent people and are put in incredibly stressful situations on a daily basis. By the logic people in this thread are using, since I was treated poorly by a cashier at Subway, all Subway employee's must be dicks right? No, that would be just stupid to assume that.

Would all you whiners rather there were no cops? It's worked out great for Somalia...

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They move on their own in many circumstances.LJS9502_basic

In what way does that justify anything if it isn't necessary?

You're saying that inflicting pain and physical harm is fine if it makes things convenient for the cops?

Excessive force is A-ok, got it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="superfluidity"]

In what way does that justify anything if it isn't necessary?

You're saying that inflicting pain and physical harm is fine if it makes things convenient for the cops?

superfluidity

Excessive force is A-ok, got it.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Look...they were trespassing. They were told to leave. They did not. I have zero sympathy for the use of pepper spray. They got what they wanted.....LJS9502_basic

Excessive force is A-ok, got it.

It exceeded the amount of force necessary to resolve the situation, thus it was excessive force.

The amount of force necessary was to handcuff them and physically lift them into police vehicles.

Why wouldn't handcuffs have done the trick?

superfluidity

We have a use of force model that dictates most of our actions. Non-compliance with issued orders is resistant active.

As you can see on the Use of Force model, we're authorized to use compliance techniques when the subject(s) are resistant active.

Handcuffs are used when the situation is under control.

You don't have to like it, but this is the model that most police departments and federal LEOs use.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="superfluidity"]

Excessive force is A-ok, got it.

superfluidity

It exceeded the amount of force necessary to resolve the situation, thus it was excessive force.

The amount of force necessary was to handcuff them and physically lift them into police vehicles.

It exceeded the amount of force necessary to resolve the situation, thus it was excessive force.

The amount of force necessary was to handcuff them and physically lift them into police vehicles.

superfluidity

No it didn't. They were resisting, the cops were well within their rights to use compliance techniques(pepper spray, tazer, asp baton, police dog, etc.)