Polish president killed - start of World War 3?

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#1 s0upor_salad
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/10/poland.president.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

The Polish president was killed in a plane crash in Russia with his wife and 95 other passengers. Anyone think this will spark WW3? I bet this is an assassination and Lech Kaczynski is the new Franz Ferdinand.

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#2 Mario2007
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Could be. All of this seems too much of a coincidence for it to be an accident.

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#3 Theokhoth
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Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?
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#4 NoobisMaxcimus
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*sigh* it's always Poland....

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Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?Theokhoth
hm gee I wonder. The memories of Cold War perhaps?
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#6 outworld222
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I doubt it, but anything is possible. The plane actually killed many of the top government leaders.

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#7 s0upor_salad
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Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?Theokhoth
Because it could be?
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#8 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?Mario2007
hm gee I wonder. The memories of Cold War perhaps?

I was thinking more along the lines of propaganda using the Cold War as a base. People were screaming WW3 when Russia invaded Georgia.
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#9 deactivated-59d151f079814
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World War 3 will only occur between China, the United States and Russia when their military industrlial complexes clash in the Middle East and Africa for natural resources (namely oil)..
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It won't start a World War. The rest of the world doesn't care enough to take sides. Back during World War One tensions were already very high between European nations and anything could have sparked a war. European nations right now are the closest and most united they have ever been.
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Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****storm
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Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?Theokhoth

WW1 started because of an assassination and Russia, China and the USA are prime candidates to start such a war (WW3)

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[QUOTE="Mario2007"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?Theokhoth
hm gee I wonder. The memories of Cold War perhaps?

I was thinking more along the lines of propaganda using the Cold War as a base. People were screaming WW3 when Russia invaded Georgia.

Could be early signs. Hitler invaded several countries before WWII started.
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Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****stormhamstergeddon
1. There is no evidence besides "freaky coincidence" that it was more than an accident. 2. Let's say it wasn't an accident. That does not in any way imply that Russia's government sanctioned such an action; there are such things as terrorists.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?nitsud_19

WW1 started because of an assination and Russia, China and the USA are prime candidates to start such a war (WW3)

That was due to chain ganging.. Where countries had private treatied alliances with neighbors.. So when one had a disagreement, an entire posse of other nations joined in.. NATO and the UN were specifically created to stop anything like this happening again.. And the only way we will have World War 3 with nuclear powers is when natural resources are called into question imo.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?nitsud_19

WW1 started because of an assassination and Russia, China and the USA are prime candidates to start such a war (WW3)

Actually the modern historian school of thought is that Germany specifically manufactured and provoked the war. Franz Ferdinand was just an excuse to go to war. And today I don't think anyone actually has reason to go to war with each other. We're on pretty good terms. So I think a WWIII is out, but still.... this could lead to a whole nother cluster****
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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****stormTheokhoth
1. There is no evidence besides "freaky coincidence" that it was more than an accident. 2. Let's say it wasn't an accident. That does not in any way imply that Russia's government sanctioned such an action; there are such things as terrorists.

You have to admit that it is a bit weird that a pilot carrying many government officials simply ignored air traffic control...
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Mario2007"]hm gee I wonder. The memories of Cold War perhaps? Mario2007
I was thinking more along the lines of propaganda using the Cold War as a base. People were screaming WW3 when Russia invaded Georgia.

Could be early signs. Hitler invaded several countries before WWII started.

The Russian and Georgian thing was a few years ago and its over now. Also Hitler gave the excuse of invading those countries because they used to be apart of Germany and had many Germans living there. Everyone knew that Hitler just wanted to take over those countries but he had a legitimate excuse so no one could saying anything. Russia invaded Georgia over a dispute of resources. Not because anyone in Russia is trying to take over Georgia.
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[QUOTE="nitsud_19"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why is it that every time something happens in Russia, people speculate that it's the start of WWIII?hamstergeddon

WW1 started because of an assassination and Russia, China and the USA are prime candidates to start such a war (WW3)

Actually the modern historian school of thought is that Germany specifically manufactured and provoked the war. Franz Ferdinand was just an excuse to go to war. And today I don't think anyone actually has reason to go to war with each other. We're on pretty good terms. So I think a WWIII is out, but still.... this could lead to a whole nother cluster****

War with first world power is bad for business.. We have exported war with third world powers where we entrench our control within economy and their natural resoruces.. The only way we will ever see a major war like that again (which most likely would lead to an end of the world scenero), is when China, Russia, and the United States butt heads for fossil fuels.

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Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****stormhamstergeddon
Because Russia can control how much fog appears in Poland, right?
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****stormMario2007
1. There is no evidence besides "freaky coincidence" that it was more than an accident. 2. Let's say it wasn't an accident. That does not in any way imply that Russia's government sanctioned such an action; there are such things as terrorists.

You have to admit that it is a bit weird that a pilot carrying many government officials simply ignored air traffic control...

Where did it say that? I read that they were trying to land in fog. The controller doesn't tell you how to land. The controller doesn't do jack ****. You ever tried to land a plane in the fog, or coming out a low cloud formation? It's not ****ing easy.
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What about Iran being involved? Ahmadinejad announced that they had "fully mastered nuclear technology." That was less than a day ago. So Iran says they have mastered nuclear tech while the USA has made negotiations with Russia to decrease their number of nuclear arms. What if Iran thinks that this is a good time to strike?

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What about Iran being involved? Ahmadinejad announced that they had "fully mastered nuclear technology." That was less than a day ago. So Iran says they have mastered nuclear tech while the USA has made negotiations with Russia to decrease their number of nuclear arms. What if Iran thinks that this is a good time to strike?

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Why the hell would they go after Poland? What does Iran have against Poland? If anything they'd go after the US.
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#25 pianist
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The plane crashed in heavy fog. It was an accident. So no, it won't spark World War III.

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#26 s0upor_salad
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Oh I meant Iran being involved in WW3 along with China, the US, and Russia.
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And he was visiting to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, where thousands of Polish officers were massacred by the red army. Coincidence? Moar like conspeerussee!
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#28 Lethalhazard
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ZOMG It's obviously the start of events that will lead to our demise in 2012.
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Oh I meant Iran being involved in WW3 along with China, the US, and Russia.s0upor_salad
Why? What basis do you have to support that claim?
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#30 jpph
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The Polish are coming, THE POLISH ARE COMING!!!

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the Polish aren't coming.............they're already here!

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Good gravy these conspiracy theorists are annoying. Thick fog + plane = potential of accident happening. That's common sense.
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Had Putin apologised for Russia's actions in Katyn 70 years ago, as was originally expected today, the currently volatile Polish-Russian relations would certainly have taken a turn for the better. As it happens, the crash occurred mere miles from the site of the original massacre.

Poland is probably America's most significant ally in Eastern Europe at the moment. I don't think war is exactly imminent but who knows how this incident is going to be interpreted globally in light of more recent American plans to build anti-missile defences in Poland and the suppposed headway made in arms limitation treaties.

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So does this mean that as of right now Poland has no government?

Why that makes it the perfect time for Russia to annex the whole country.

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Classic Off-Topic doom and glooming. I just saw a news report on this and the plane was around 20+ years old, and on top of that, they believe the pilot was fatigued. Now why a president of a nation would fly on a garbage plane I don't know, but the odds of this starting world war 3 are very, very, very slim.
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Something smells fishy about this, I smell foul play....

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****stormFire_Ants
Because Russia can control how much fog appears in Poland, right?

How do you know they can't?

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Classic Off-Topic doom and glooming. I just saw a news report on this and the plane was around 20+ years old, and on top of that, they believe the pilot was fatigued. Now why a president of a nation would fly on a garbage plane I don't know, but the odds of this starting world war 3 are very, very, very slim.clubsammich91
And why would they use a fatigued pilot?
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Here we go again. T_T
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World War 3 will only occur between China, the United States and Russia when their military industrlial complexes clash in the Middle East and Africa for natural resources (namely oil).. sSubZerOo

well whoever "wins" the war

india will just come in and be bam we are teh awesomeness too and then India becomes #1

lol who am I kidding India doesnt have bad relations between chine,usa or russia if my memory serves me correctly

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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Classic Off-Topic doom and glooming. I just saw a news report on this and the plane was around 20+ years old, and on top of that, they believe the pilot was fatigued. Now why a president of a nation would fly on a garbage plane I don't know, but the odds of this starting world war 3 are very, very, very slim.Mario2007
And why would they use a fatigued pilot?

Because people lie. "Are you sure you can fly these people?" "Yes."
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#41 Fuhgeddabouditt
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Could be. All of this seems too much of a coincidence for it to be an accident.

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Fog and the pilot not listening to advice (if true) ?
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[QUOTE="Mario2007"]

Could be. All of this seems too much of a coincidence for it to be an accident.

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Fog and the pilot not listening to advice (if true) ?

And the trip being flown to 70th anniversary of a massacre (irony), plane being flown over Russian soil, and carrying dozens of Poland's officials?
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World War III? Not remotely likely, especially from something like this. Russia probably has nothing to do with this. They have no interest in controlling resentful satelite states that cost way too much money to maintain control of anymore.

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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Classic Off-Topic doom and glooming. I just saw a news report on this and the plane was around 20+ years old, and on top of that, they believe the pilot was fatigued. Now why a president of a nation would fly on a garbage plane I don't know, but the odds of this starting world war 3 are very, very, very slim.Mario2007
And why would they use a fatigued pilot?

They wouldn't "use" one. Flying is hard ass work, especially when you're flying a president and other high ranking members of a country.

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[QUOTE="Fire_Ants"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]Oh my God.... this is huge.... what are the chances that a plane with all those Polish head officials would just go down and crash? These things don't just happen anymore, something must have happened.... I know this is a leap of faith, but what IF Russia had something to do with it? This very well could lead to a whole ****stormTheGrayEye

Because Russia can control how much fog appears in Poland, right?

How do you know they can't?

It's beside the point. The fog was in Russia.
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I bet russia bought a massive:

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Classic Off-Topic doom and glooming. I just saw a news report on this and the plane was around 20+ years old, and on top of that, they believe the pilot was fatigued. Now why a president of a nation would fly on a garbage plane I don't know, but the odds of this starting world war 3 are very, very, very slim.clubsammich91
I agree that speculation is pointless, but the plane had undergone a multi-billion zloty overhaul in December so a mechanical fault shouldn't have occurred. Currently available evidence points more to human error, as you've been suggesting.
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[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="Fire_Ants"] Because Russia can control how much fog appears in Poland, right?jimmyjammer69

How do you know they can't?

It's beside the point. The fog was in Russia.

Even more so. We just don't know what kind of technology Russia has at this point. The poster was making assumptions- assumptions are the mother of all **** ups.

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[QUOTE="Mario2007"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Classic Off-Topic doom and glooming. I just saw a news report on this and the plane was around 20+ years old, and on top of that, they believe the pilot was fatigued. Now why a president of a nation would fly on a garbage plane I don't know, but the odds of this starting world war 3 are very, very, very slim.clubsammich91

And why would they use a fatigued pilot?

They wouldn't "use" one. Flying is hard ass work, especially when you're flying a president and other high ranking members of a country.

Yeah, that sounds about right... although you'd think they'd have been a bit more careful with their choice of pilots after a very similar event occurred two years ago in Poland, killing several senior military officials.
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[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="Mario2007"]

Could be. All of this seems too much of a coincidence for it to be an accident.

Mario2007
Fog and the pilot not listening to advice (if true) ?

And the trip being flown to 70th anniversary of a massacre (irony), plane being flown over Russian soil, and carrying dozens of Poland's officials?

no, I still think this is an accident, just a weird coincidence. There was Fog and the pilot was warned so. But all will tell once they find the blackbox or put the pieces together.