This is the video.I want to know what your response to this is, particularly liberals. To me this isn'treally shocking. I would say nauseating is a better word.
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This is the video.I want to know what your response to this is, particularly liberals. To me this isn'treally shocking. I would say nauseating is a better word.
Meh, came off as another hollow political ad to me.
Splicing speeches from different politicians, taking favor of one side, and saying something without saying anything. I swear I might actually see this on TV during the 2012 Presidential election. :?
Reagan was such a better President than Obama. And that's a fact. MaxPred2010Depends on your philosophical, especially ethical leanings. Wouldn't say that statement is factual at all. The video didn't impress me either, a couple of clips of Reagan spouting rhetoric and not arguments. Then, some nice out of context clips from Obama and the dems.
[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"]Reagan was such a better President than Obama. And that's a fact. T_P_ODepends on your philosophical, especially ethical leanings. Wouldn't say that statement is factual at all. The video didn't impress me either, a couple of clips of Reagan spouting rhetoric and not arguments. Then, some nice out of context clips from Obama and the dems. Those were all important clips that weren't taken out of context in the sense that they were missing some meaning.
Well that video's general message seems to be against socialism and communism, so I'm not sure what that has to do with democrats and liberals.
Errm what? Most of the people who is quoted were Liberal/Democrats. Are you suggesting that Democrats are leading us toward communism? Oh wait...Well that video's general message seems to be against socialism and communism, so I'm not sure what that has to do with democrats and liberals.
_BlueDuck_
[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]Errm what? Most of the people who is quoted were Liberal/Democrats. Are you suggesting that Democrats are leading us toward communism? Oh wait...Well that video's general message seems to be against socialism and communism, so I'm not sure what that has to do with democrats and liberals.
Darkainious
The video is essentially.. pro-freedom, pro-free market. Most of the other clips are out of place are just attempts to make the quoted appear to be against those, which is not the case.
Errm what? Most of the people who is quoted were Liberal/Democrats. Are you suggesting that Democrats are leading us toward communism? Oh wait...[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]
Well that video's general message seems to be against socialism and communism, so I'm not sure what that has to do with democrats and liberals.
_BlueDuck_
The video is essentially.. pro-freedom, pro-free market. Most of the other clips are out of place are just attempts to make the quoted appear to be against those, which is not the case.
This ^ is a garbled mess. I honestly can barely understand some meaning there. You are saying that most of the clips are out of place? I hardly think so. They are showing what the opposition is like.What the.... Do you even know that half of those clips from the dems were taking out of context and all of them werent in context at all???? When you posts some facts to make a point, then we can start a agument that is based on logic.This is the video.I want to know what your response to this is, particularly liberals. To me this isn'treally shocking. I would say nauseating is a better word.
Darkainious
[QUOTE="Darkainious"]What the.... Do you even know that half of those clips from the dems were taking out of context and all of them werent in context at all???? When you posts some facts to make a point, then we can start a agument that is based on logic. Logic. Would you say, logically of course, that any of those clips were taken back after being said? Like Sherley Sherrod? I don't think so. Do you think any of those clips were altered in any way, besides being taken out of a speech? Do you think any of those clips are missing important meaning?This is the video.I want to know what your response to this is, particularly liberals. To me this isn'treally shocking. I would say nauseating is a better word.
gaming25
[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] Errm what? Most of the people who is quoted were Liberal/Democrats. Are you suggesting that Democrats are leading us toward communism? Oh wait...Darkainious
The video is essentially.. pro-freedom, pro-free market. Most of the other clips are out of place are just attempts to make the quoted appear to be against those, which is not the case.
This ^ is a garbled mess. I honestly can barely understand some meaning there. You are saying that most of the clips are out of place? I hardly think so. They are showing what the opposition is like.Would you like me to explain???
You had one guy in the clip that they took out of context who says that "constitution isnt an issue" with his bill or whatever, but that most logically meant that the constitution didnt conflict with his bill, rather than what the video wanted you to think that he was disregarding the constitution.
Then you had another clip about a dem saying that he was happy about something (he didnt say in the clip) but yet the vid had clips surrounding it skewing what his opinion probably was.
Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|dreDREb13Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did.
[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] Errm what? Most of the people who is quoted were Liberal/Democrats. Are you suggesting that Democrats are leading us toward communism? Oh wait...Darkainious
The video is essentially.. pro-freedom, pro-free market. Most of the other clips are out of place are just attempts to make the quoted appear to be against those, which is not the case.
This ^ is a garbled mess. I honestly can barely understand some meaning there. You are saying that most of the clips are out of place? I hardly think so. They are showing what the opposition is like.Reagan's quotes are in support of the free market and freedom in general. That seems to be the overall message. Freedom and free market are good. Then, the video attempts to show that the opposition is against that message of pro-freedom and pro-free market with out of context quotes. Since liberals are pro market and pro freedom, and socialists make up only a tiny minority of the Democratic party, I'm not really sure how this is much of a argument against liberals or Democrats.
[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|herpderp9000Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did.
Funding oppressive military regimes in El Salvador and Honduras in the early 80s seemed a little nasty.
[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|herpderp9000Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. Opening capitalism which spiraled money out of control, making the hugest gap between the rich and the poor, all the while being unsupportive of social aid programs. I think those are not only "horrible" things, but downright horrendous things.
Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did.[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|THE_DRUGGIE
Funding oppressive military regimes in El Salvador and Honduras in the early 80s seemed a little nasty.
Hey, better that than 75% of the world dead due to nukes.Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. herpderp9000
Funding oppressive military regimes in El Salvador and Honduras in the early 80s seemed a little nasty.
Hey, better that than 75% of the world dead due to nukes. This isnt The Watchmen. That probably wouldnt have happened and the ends dont justify the excuses or means.[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|gaming25Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. Opening capitalism which spiraled money out of control, making the hugest gap between the rich and the poor, all the while being unsupportive of social aid programs. I think those are not only "horrible" things, but downright horrendous things. Social aid programs are proven to be a detriment to the intended beneficiary. It has been proven that the less welfare there is, the better the people the welfare is intended for do.
Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|dreDREb13
That's going too far but he's far from the god that many modern conservatives claim he was...
[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. herpderp9000
Funding oppressive military regimes in El Salvador and Honduras in the early 80s seemed a little nasty.
Hey, better that than 75% of the world dead due to nukes.Erm, what? Nukes had absolutely nothing to do with that area.
You must be thinking about Cuba.
[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. herpderp9000Opening capitalism which spiraled money out of control, making the hugest gap between the rich and the poor, all the while being unsupportive of social aid programs. I think those are not only "horrible" things, but downright horrendous things. Social aid programs are proven to be a detriment to the intended beneficiary. It has been proven that the less welfare there is, the better the people the welfare is intended for do.
But people start DYING when they dont have any money to depend on at all. So your logic is flawed whether you made what you said up or not.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|dreDREb13Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. Yes, and his fueling of the war on drugs, pushing of abstinence-only sex education, supporting the Iraq-Iran war, and also ignoring the AIDS crisis was definitely something to applaud. War on Drugs=good. Iran-Iraq war=good(divide and conqure. He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.). Abstinence only education, so what? AIDS, meh. You don't get much sympathy from me when it's your own doing that caused your misfortune.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Opening capitalism which spiraled money out of control, making the hugest gap between the rich and the poor, all the while being unsupportive of social aid programs. I think those are not only "horrible" things, but downright horrendous things.gaming25Social aid programs are proven to be a detriment to the intended beneficiary. It has been proven that the less welfare there is, the better the people the welfare is intended for do. But people start DYING when they dont have any money to depend on at all. So your logic is flawed. Food stamps. No one said to totally trash federal benifits for the poor.
[QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|herpderp9000Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. Eh, wouldn't credit the end of the Cold War solely to Reagan's actions or America's actions. Though they are potential factors; the Soviet Union collapsed, events inside the Union (Gorbachev's reforms, the economic stagnation, SRs leaving the Union or wanting to and then failed Coup of 1991) had a far greater impact on the end of the Soviet Union and the Cold War by extension in my own view.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]
Funding oppressive military regimes in El Salvador and Honduras in the early 80s seemed a little nasty.
Hey, better that than 75% of the world dead due to nukes.Erm, what? Nukes had absolutely nothing to do with that area.
You must be thinking about Cuba.
Supporting those regimes vs. letting the soviets take over helped out spend and eventually collapse the USSR. So it had everythign to do with nukes.[QUOTE="dreDREb13"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Yeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. herpderp9000Yes, and his fueling of the war on drugs, pushing of abstinence-only sex education, supporting the Iraq-Iran war, and also ignoring the AIDS crisis was definitely something to applaud. War on Drugs=good. Iran-Iraq war=good(divide and conqure. He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.). Abstinence only education, so what? AIDS, meh. You don't get much sympathy from me when it's your own doing that caused your misfortune.
"He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.".
You have got to be kidding me. When you sign up for a job that is over the welfare of HUMAN beings, than you need to be a HUMANITARIAN in order to be a competent official.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Reagan was a horrible, HORRIBLE president. :|T_P_OYeah. Especially the part where he won the cold war with out firing a shot. And the rest of the horrible, horrible things he did. Eh, wouldn't credit the end of the Cold War solely to Reagan's actions or America's actions. Though they are potential factors; the Soviet Union collapsed, events inside the Union (Gorbachev's reforms, the economic stagnation, SRs leaving the Union or wanting to and then failed Coup of 1991) had a far greater impact on the end of the Soviet Union and the Cold War by extension in my own view. All those things are the direct result of them trying, and failing to outspend us.
[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="dreDREb13"]Yes, and his fueling of the war on drugs, pushing of abstinence-only sex education, supporting the Iraq-Iran war, and also ignoring the AIDS crisis was definitely something to applaud.gaming25War on Drugs=good. Iran-Iraq war=good(divide and conqure. He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.). Abstinence only education, so what? AIDS, meh. You don't get much sympathy from me when it's your own doing that caused your misfortune. "He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.". You have got to be kidding me. When you sign up for a job that is over the welfare of HUMAN beings, than you need to be a HUMANITARIAN in order to be a competent official. OUR HUMAN BEINGS. Not theirs. American. The POTUS should look out for us and us only.
[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Hey, better that than 75% of the world dead due to nukes.herpderp9000
Erm, what? Nukes had absolutely nothing to do with that area.
You must be thinking about Cuba.
Supporting those regimes vs. letting the soviets take over helped out spend and eventually collapse the USSR. So it had everythign to do with nukes.Not really, just trying to spread capitalist ideals at all costs under the guise of good-old Cold War paranoia.
The USSR already had Cuba (which is way closer to the US from a strategic standpoint) so anything south of that had no real tactical advantage.
This ^ is a garbled mess. I honestly can barely understand some meaning there. You are saying that most of the clips are out of place? I hardly think so. They are showing what the opposition is like.[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]
The video is essentially.. pro-freedom, pro-free market. Most of the other clips are out of place are just attempts to make the quoted appear to be against those, which is not the case.
_BlueDuck_
Reagan's quotes are in support of the free market and freedom in general. That seems to be the overall message. Freedom and free market are good. Then, the video attempts to show that the opposition is against that message of pro-freedom and pro-free market with out of context quotes. Since liberals are pro market and pro freedom, and socialists make up only a tiny minority of the Democratic party, I'm not really sure how this is much of a argument against liberals or Democrats.
Just where are you getting your information? Do you think any of the democrats in congress think the free market system is just great? You are thinking of democrats 50 years ago.[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] War on Drugs=good. Iran-Iraq war=good(divide and conqure. He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.). Abstinence only education, so what? AIDS, meh. You don't get much sympathy from me when it's your own doing that caused your misfortune.herpderp9000"He was a leader of a nation, not a humanitarian.". You have got to be kidding me. When you sign up for a job that is over the welfare of HUMAN beings, than you need to be a HUMANITARIAN in order to be a competent official. OUR HUMAN BEINGS. Not theirs. American. The POTUS should look out for us and us only. You still dont get it. If he wants to deal with the WORLD, then he must respect the WORLD too.
[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] This ^ is a garbled mess. I honestly can barely understand some meaning there. You are saying that most of the clips are out of place? I hardly think so. They are showing what the opposition is like.Darkainious
Reagan's quotes are in support of the free market and freedom in general. That seems to be the overall message. Freedom and free market are good. Then, the video attempts to show that the opposition is against that message of pro-freedom and pro-free market with out of context quotes. Since liberals are pro market and pro freedom, and socialists make up only a tiny minority of the Democratic party, I'm not really sure how this is much of a argument against liberals or Democrats.
Just where are you getting your information? Do you think any of the democrats in congress think the free market system is just great? You are thinking of democrats 50 years ago.I doubt you'll find many congressmen period who think that a completely unregulated free market is a good idea...
Just where are you getting your information? Do you think any of the democrats in congress think the free market system is just great? You are thinking of democrats 50 years ago.[QUOTE="Darkainious"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]
Reagan's quotes are in support of the free market and freedom in general. That seems to be the overall message. Freedom and free market are good. Then, the video attempts to show that the opposition is against that message of pro-freedom and pro-free market with out of context quotes. Since liberals are pro market and pro freedom, and socialists make up only a tiny minority of the Democratic party, I'm not really sure how this is much of a argument against liberals or Democrats.
chessmaster1989
I doubt you'll find many congressmen period who think that a completely unregulated free market is a good idea...
Free market is not the same thing as completely unregulated market.[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] Just where are you getting your information? Do you think any of the democrats in congress think the free market system is just great? You are thinking of democrats 50 years ago.Darkainious
I doubt you'll find many congressmen period who think that a completely unregulated free market is a good idea...
Free market is not the same thing as completely unregulated market.I would say that most democrats support a (regulated) free market system, with some exceptions of course.
All those things are the direct result of them trying, and failing to outspend us.herpderp9000
The failed Coup of 1991 was definitely not "directly" caused by the failure to outspend the USA. It was "directly" caused by the conservatism (not as you know it, as a general term) of the Soviet government and bureaucracy and Gorbachev threatening the status-quo with promises of reform including liberalization of the social and economic sphere of life.
Also, if I do take this latest statement as true, why does this imply that Reagan and his administration are the only ones responsible for making them trying to outspend the US? (an implication I draw from your earlier statement)
[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"][QUOTE="Darkainious"] This ^ is a garbled mess. I honestly can barely understand some meaning there. You are saying that most of the clips are out of place? I hardly think so. They are showing what the opposition is like.Darkainious
Reagan's quotes are in support of the free market and freedom in general. That seems to be the overall message. Freedom and free market are good. Then, the video attempts to show that the opposition is against that message of pro-freedom and pro-free market with out of context quotes. Since liberals are pro market and pro freedom, and socialists make up only a tiny minority of the Democratic party, I'm not really sure how this is much of a argument against liberals or Democrats.
Just where are you getting your information? Do you think any of the democrats in congress think the free market system is just great? You are thinking of democrats 50 years ago.Just about everyone embraces the free market. Most democrats just think a few regulations and other programs are needed to prop the system up. Otherwise, they'd be a socialist, and fun fact, socialists don't make it far in politics in the United States at'all, regardless of party.
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