I don't really understand this. I mean, the Catholic Church doesn't condone prostitution or homosexuality either, yet they say it's okay for male prostitutes to use contraceptives. So they're condoning use of contraceptives exclusively for activities that they traditionally don't condone.
Pope condones condom use in exceptional cases (FINALLY)
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The idea is that people shouldn't be having premarital sex, and that people are supposed to accept any god given babies as a gift. Condom's aren't evil, they aren't 'the devil's work', but they are an act of trying to disrupt the natural order of life in the world according to catholics. There's no double standard here, just a misunderstanding of the ways of others.[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]
Good intentions? "Don't use condoms, they are evil. Just have unprotected sex with people who can't afford to bathe themselves properly with an extremely high risk of disease." Sorry, but "good intentions" is a little hard to swallow when the churcharbitrarily deems particular objects such as condoms to be evil. What if they decided keyboards, or glasses were evil? Wouldthat be all for a greater cause? No it wouldn't, so why allow for a double standard?
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Natural order of life? NEWS FLASH: People have sex. People have sex all year round, people have sex in all places, people have sex however they want, whenever they want to and most importantly for whatever reason they want to. And you know what? That's entirely natural. Animals do it too, and they arn't bound by some phoney religious laws. The Catholic church is just completely naive to the world around them. The Pope is nothing more than a dressed up politician elevated by his own self importance.
I'm not sure what disgusts me more, your ignorance or your intolerance. A large part of what's wrong with people today is just that, we make sex the meaning of life. I didn't say sex was unnatural, far from it. I said that catholics believe denying the consequences of those behaviors, life, is considered amoral by the catholic church.[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="mfp16"] you'd look it up yourselfmfp16I have.. and from what I've read 7% is laughable... Am I to assume that you are inferring people with faith just blindly go around killing people that have different beliefs here? 7% of wars were religous wars. Contrary to popular belief, people kill themselves over a lot more than what to call god.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]So those pesky Christians have to beat down their doors and convert them at gunpoint for them to feel hostility towards them? Or feel generally suppressed or not respected? Even if their feelings of being disrespected are exaggerated or just dramatic with little base that still is different than what you are suggesting. And I like that go on stating stuff that are irrelevant to what we are discussing or stuff I didnt doubt you believe. Should I assume those are your defenses to your self-doubt?buldog300
Feel respected? Respect is earned, and it isn't earned with spagetti monster books and speeches by richard dawkins. If atheists want respect from christians they'd have to expect to let a few things slide, like prayer on public locales and the rights of Christians to protest abortion clinics. If atheists feel animosity from christendom, or even mild disrespect it isn't because Christians got a gray hair one day and decided to hate a demographic. And as for the conversion at gunpoint remark I made, it's a hyperbole. I hate how poorly the internet translates sarcasm. You said I generalized, I told you why I generalized. I would hardly count that as irrelevant to the discussion. Of course, the more we argue the more time on this world we waste. Now that is an irrelevant remark.
You are completely shifting the focus from whether or not your generalisation is true to whether or not atheists have the right to feel disrespected.
Stay on topic please.
Now to respond to what you said: If respect for atheists must be earned the same is true for theists (or Christians in particular). Respect doesnt come with considering atheists heathens or telling them that they will go to hell. If theists want respect then they should let a few things slide such as commercials with the message "God doesnt exist so stop worrying and enjoy your life" and why not even the flying spaghetti monster.
See mister if you want to teach how respect is earned I can do the same thing too. ;)
Also thats not the only thing that was irrelevant. You stated that:
- you think Christians or on the right side. Now why did you feel the need to post that.... hm.. self-doubt much?
- that America and the internet is great (due to disagreement being allow). Once again.... why feel the need to say that? Are you unsure of the validity of those statements and repeat them to convince... perhaps yourself?
I already told you: I can play that game too.
[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="buldog300"] The idea is that people shouldn't be having premarital sex, and that people are supposed to accept any god given babies as a gift. Condom's aren't evil, they aren't 'the devil's work', but they are an act of trying to disrupt the natural order of life in the world according to catholics. There's no double standard here, just a misunderstanding of the ways of others.buldog300
Natural order of life? NEWS FLASH: People have sex. People have sex all year round, people have sex in all places, people have sex however they want, whenever they want to and most importantly for whatever reason they want to. And you know what? That's entirely natural. Animals do it too, and they arn't bound by some phoney religious laws. The Catholic church is just completely naive to the world around them. The Pope is nothing more than a dressed up politician elevated by his own self importance.
I'm not sure what disgusts me more, your ignorance or your intolerance. A large part of what's wrong with people today is just that, we make sex the meaning of life. I didn't say sex was unnatural, far from it. I said that catholics believe denying the consequences of those behaviors, life, is considered amoral by the catholic church.Oh, so now I disgust buldog? And I'm ignorant am I? Well what if I told you're good buddy Jesus that and see how he responds, I'm sure he'll be very pleased with you, what with your unbridled hate and all. It's ironic that I, the very person going against the church is the one pointing out that one of the most important lessons of the Catholic church is that you must not hate on another. Now apologise, unless you want to forever remain a non-believer.
[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="mfp16"] you'd look it up yourselfbuldog300I have.. and from what I've read 7% is laughable... Am I to assume that you are inferring people with faith just blindly go around killing people that have different beliefs here? 7% of wars were religous wars. Contrary to popular belief, people kill themselves over a lot more than what to call god. No... I'm inferring you have provided a laughable percentage to a question which zero evidence...
[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]
Why do people thrive on being anti-religion?
because in their subconscious they know god really does exist and atheism is an attempt to suppress that knowledge. Reverberating anything that contradicts their internal defenses is a threat to those defenses.Q: Why are so many people anti-gay
A: Because in their subconscious they know they are gay and homophobia is just an attempt to suppress that knowledge.
I can play that game too. :D
0_o You cant catch me GAY THOUGHTS!!!! -Runs away- [spoiler] :P [/spoiler][QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So those pesky Christians have to beat down their doors and convert them at gunpoint for them to feel hostility towards them? Or feel generally suppressed or not respected? Even if their feelings of being disrespected are exaggerated or just dramatic with little base that still is different than what you are suggesting. And I like that go on stating stuff that are irrelevant to what we are discussing or stuff I didnt doubt you believe. Should I assume those are your defenses to your self-doubt?Teenaged
Feel respected? Respect is earned, and it isn't earned with spagetti monster books and speeches by richard dawkins. If atheists want respect from christians they'd have to expect to let a few things slide, like prayer on public locales and the rights of Christians to protest abortion clinics. If atheists feel animosity from christendom, or even mild disrespect it isn't because Christians got a gray hair one day and decided to hate a demographic. And as for the conversion at gunpoint remark I made, it's a hyperbole. I hate how poorly the internet translates sarcasm. You said I generalized, I told you why I generalized. I would hardly count that as irrelevant to the discussion. Of course, the more we argue the more time on this world we waste. Now that is an irrelevant remark.
You are completely shifting the focus from whether or not your generalisation is true to whether or not atheists have the right to feel disrespected.
Stay on topic please.
Now to respond to what you said: If respect for atheists must be earned the same is true for theists (or Christians in particular). Respect doesnt come with considering atheists heathens or telling them that they will go to heaven. If theists want respect then they should let a few things slide such as commercials with the message "God doesnt exist so stop worrying and enjoy your life" and why not even the flying spaghetti monster.
See mister if you want to teach how respect is earned I can do the same thing too. ;)
Also thats not the only thing that was irrelevant. You stated that:
- you think Christians or on the right side. Now why did you feel the need to post that.... hm.. self-doubt much?
- that America and the internet is great (due to disagreement being allow). Once again.... why feel the need to say that? Are you unsure of the validity of those statements and repeat them to convince... perhaps yourself?
I already told you: I can play that game too.
Ok, I'll take a forum discussion seriously for you, person I've never met before who I will probably never see in my life nor will have any major impact on my outlook on this world. We won't let those things slide, because if you make commercials that say god doesn't exist and then ban prayer in public areas not only are you making yourselves look like Hippocrates by wanting respect, you are clearly acting in a manner that is hostile culturally. Allowing such things would be like christians making commercials that say 'atheists you're lives are meaningless and everything you believe and hold dear is a joke'. That's not respect. If atheists want it, they have to show it. That's the lesson here. You don't show respect by not taking someone else's opinion seriously. If you want to joke at Christianity's expense you can, but like everything else in this world there's a line you shouldn't cross on the matter. As for posting Christians on the rights side, it was a response, again, to you saying I was generalizing about Christians being right. If I didn't think christian were right, why would I be a christian? In lamence terms, it was a reply to your reply, not a shot at you or anything else you might be inferring it was. I don't doubt myself or I wouldn't be typing this. I say America and the internet is great because I feel both are great and have contribute much to humanity. In this context, it was the right to disagree with people. I said it to you, as in you the poster, because I knew you disagreed with my and was hoping a preemptive 'I accept that what I feel isn't what you are going to feel' response would prevent an hour long internet discussion such as the transpiring one. I don't duobt the internet is great, if that is what you imply, far from it :P. An excess or even an addictive amount of internet usage might be bad though, but if people want to be neurologically connected then it's their right to be.I'm not sure what disgusts me more, your ignorance or your intolerance. A large part of what's wrong with people today is just that, we make sex the meaning of life. I didn't say sex was unnatural, far from it. I said that catholics believe denying the consequences of those behaviors, life, is considered amoral by the catholic church.[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]
Natural order of life? NEWS FLASH: People have sex. People have sex all year round, people have sex in all places, people have sex however they want, whenever they want to and most importantly for whatever reason they want to. And you know what? That's entirely natural. Animals do it too, and they arn't bound by some phoney religious laws. The Catholic church is just completely naive to the world around them. The Pope is nothing more than a dressed up politician elevated by his own self importance.
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Oh, so now I disgust buldog? And I'm ignorant am I? Well what if I told you're good buddy Jesus that and see how he responds, I'm sure he'll be very pleased with you, what with your unbridled hate and all. It's ironic that I, the very person going against the church is the one pointing out that one of the most important lessons of the Catholic church is that you must not hate on another. Now apologise, unless you want to forever remain a non-believer.
You sound like a person who would be fun to have a drink with. Christ called the 'holiest' men at the time Hippocrates, so apparently it isn't a sin to defy the self-righteous. I do it on a day-to-day basis. Find jesus friend, you deny yourself much freedom by not doing so.[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="buldog300"] I'm not sure what disgusts me more, your ignorance or your intolerance. A large part of what's wrong with people today is just that, we make sex the meaning of life. I didn't say sex was unnatural, far from it. I said that catholics believe denying the consequences of those behaviors, life, is considered amoral by the catholic church.buldog300
Oh, so now I disgust buldog? And I'm ignorant am I? Well what if I told you're good buddy Jesus that and see how he responds, I'm sure he'll be very pleased with you, what with your unbridled hate and all. It's ironic that I, the very person going against the church is the one pointing out that one of the most important lessons of the Catholic church is that you must not hate on another. Now apologise, unless you want to forever remain a non-believer.
You sound like a person who would be fun to have a drink with. Christ called the 'holiest' men at the time Hippocrates, so apparently it isn't a sin to defy the self-righteous. I do it on a day-to-day basis. Find jesus friend, you deny yourself much freedom by not doing so.Where in the bible does it say Jesus called people disgusting, ignorant and intolerant? Oh, and self righteous. We must have different versions of the Bible ;).
[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]
Why do people thrive on being anti-religion?
z4twenny
religion has caused more wars and killed more people than anything else in history.i think the question should be why do we thrive on religion?
This is especially true during the medieval eras.
[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="buldog300"] I'm not sure what disgusts me more, your ignorance or your intolerance. A large part of what's wrong with people today is just that, we make sex the meaning of life. I didn't say sex was unnatural, far from it. I said that catholics believe denying the consequences of those behaviors, life, is considered amoral by the catholic church.buldog300
Oh, so now I disgust buldog? And I'm ignorant am I? Well what if I told you're good buddy Jesus that and see how he responds, I'm sure he'll be very pleased with you, what with your unbridled hate and all. It's ironic that I, the very person going against the church is the one pointing out that one of the most important lessons of the Catholic church is that you must not hate on another. Now apologise, unless you want to forever remain a non-believer.
You sound like a person who would be fun to have a drink with. Christ called the 'holiest' men at the time Hippocrates, so apparently it isn't a sin to defy the self-righteous. I do it on a day-to-day basis. Find jesus friend, you deny yourself much freedom by not doing so. Jesus called them an ancient greek physician?:PYou sound like a person who would be fun to have a drink with. Christ called the 'holiest' men at the time Hippocrates, so apparently it isn't a sin to defy the self-righteous. I do it on a day-to-day basis. Find jesus friend, you deny yourself much freedom by not doing so.[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]
Oh, so now I disgust buldog? And I'm ignorant am I? Well what if I told you're good buddy Jesus that and see how he responds, I'm sure he'll be very pleased with you, what with your unbridled hate and all. It's ironic that I, the very person going against the church is the one pointing out that one of the most important lessons of the Catholic church is that you must not hate on another. Now apologise, unless you want to forever remain a non-believer.
WasntAvailable
Where in the bible does it say Jesus called people disgusting, ignorant and intolerant? Oh, and self righteous. We must have different versions of the Bible ;).
Well aren't you clever. They sure didn't crucify Christ because he was an agreeable guy, and in god's eyes who isn't ignorant? But I digress, I'm not Christ, I only try to live up to his word. Jesus was disgusted by the people who turned the temple into a market, angered by the ignorance of the Pharisees and Sadducee who usurped much power and exploited their positions, and was obviously treated to the most compassionate part of an intolerant society. Glad I could clarify for you my friend.
[QUOTE="z4twenny"]
[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]
Why do people thrive on being anti-religion?
Desulated
religion has caused more wars and killed more people than anything else in history.i think the question should be why do we thrive on religion?
This is especially true during the medieval eras.
God, gold and glory. Most of those wars would of happened regardless of religion. It does make a nice scapegoat, though.
Ok, I'll take a forum discussion seriously for you, person I've never met before who I will probably never see in my life nor will have any major impact on my outlook on this world.We won't let those things slide, because if you make commercials that say god doesn't exist and then ban prayer in public areas not only are you making yourselves look like Hippocrates by wanting respect, you are clearly acting in a manner that is hostile culturally. Allowing such things would be like christians making commercials that say 'atheists you're lives are meaningless and everything you believe and hold dear is a joke'. That's not respect. If atheists want it, they have to show it. That's the lesson here. You don't show respect by not taking someone else's opinion seriously. If you want to joke at Christianity's expense you can, but like everything else in this world there's a line you shouldn't cross on the matter. As for posting Christians on the rights side, it was a response, again, to you saying I was generalizing about Christians being right. If I didn't think christian were right, why would I be a christian? In lamence terms, it was a reply to your reply, not a shot at you or anything else you might be inferring it was. I don't doubt myself or I wouldn't be typing this. I say America and the internet is great because I feel both are great and have contribute much to humanity. In this context, it was the right to disagree with people. I said it to you, as in you the poster, because I knew you disagreed with my and was hoping a preemptive 'I accept that what I feel isn't what you are going to feel' response would prevent an hour long internet discussion such as the transpiring one. I don't duobt the internet is great, if that is what you imply, far from it :P. An excess or even an addictive amount of internet usage might be bad though, but if people want to be neurologically connected then it's their right to be. buldog300
So you start by reassuring me that my opinions will have no impact on you even though no such point was ever brought up and I never stated I have grand aspirations to achieve that. Why did you feel the need to state that?
Lets move on now: "Hippocrates" maybe to you. Perhaps you are overdramatising those atheistic moves because you are from the theists' side. Just like those moves may not create much respect the same thing goes for some things, some theists do. Such as having negative reactions when they hear someone is an atheist, when they struggle to keep almost everything the way their religion taught them without using always reasonable arguments and generally by acting like they deserve to influence the world around them while atheists dont.
Opinions dont have to be taken seriously if they are: a) ridiculous and/or b) expressed in an annoying and/or invasive manner.
If you are done with the vague statements with no examples that leave me with responding with equally vague responses, let me know.
Where did I say that you generalised about Christians being on the right side?
Why would I assume anything but the fact that you must be a Christian since you defend Christians the way you do?
How did I infer that it was a shot at me? It doesnt have to be a shot at me for me to extend your line of thinking and apply it to your words.
"I don't doubt myself or I wouldn't be typing this." Sorry but that doesnt follow at all. Just because you keep on typing what you type doesnt mean that you dont doubt yourself at all. If that were the case then it would be true for me too. But I do doubt myself and my beliefs because I dont consider that I have the answer for those serious questions about God, the supernatural and whatnot.
Its all good when you explain to me why you post what you post but your assumption of atheists was applied without you listening to any clarification on why they could feel disrespected or outraged. Since you dont take such clarifications into consideration, why should I?
You sound like a person who would be fun to have a drink with. Christ called the 'holiest' men at the time Hippocrates, so apparently it isn't a sin to defy the self-righteous. I do it on a day-to-day basis. Find jesus friend, you deny yourself much freedom by not doing so. Jesus called them an ancient greek physician?:P Curse you Spell check!! you betrayed me again![QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]
Oh, so now I disgust buldog? And I'm ignorant am I? Well what if I told you're good buddy Jesus that and see how he responds, I'm sure he'll be very pleased with you, what with your unbridled hate and all. It's ironic that I, the very person going against the church is the one pointing out that one of the most important lessons of the Catholic church is that you must not hate on another. Now apologise, unless you want to forever remain a non-believer.
mfp16
[QUOTE="buldog300"]Ok, I'll take a forum discussion seriously for you, person I've never met before who I will probably never see in my life nor will have any major impact on my outlook on this world.
We won't let those things slide, because if you make commercials that say god doesn't exist and then ban prayer in public areas not only are you making yourselves look like Hippocrates by wanting respect, you are clearly acting in a manner that is hostile culturally. Allowing such things would be like christians making commercials that say 'atheists you're lives are meaningless and everything you believe and hold dear is a joke'. That's not respect. If atheists want it, they have to show it. That's the lesson here. You don't show respect by not taking someone else's opinion seriously. If you want to joke at Christianity's expense you can, but like everything else in this world there's a line you shouldn't cross on the matter. As for posting Christians on the rights side, it was a response, again, to you saying I was generalizing about Christians being right. If I didn't think christian were right, why would I be a christian? In lamence terms, it was a reply to your reply, not a shot at you or anything else you might be inferring it was. I don't doubt myself or I wouldn't be typing this. I say America and the internet is great because I feel both are great and have contribute much to humanity. In this context, it was the right to disagree with people. I said it to you, as in you the poster, because I knew you disagreed with my and was hoping a preemptive 'I accept that what I feel isn't what you are going to feel' response would prevent an hour long internet discussion such as the transpiring one. I don't duobt the internet is great, if that is what you imply, far from it :P. An excess or even an addictive amount of internet usage might be bad though, but if people want to be neurologically connected then it's their right to be. Teenaged
So you start by reassuring me that my opinions will have no impact on you even though no such point was ever brought up and I never stated I have grand aspirations to achieve that. Why did you feel the need to state that?
Lets move on now: "Hippocrates" maybe to you. Perhaps you are overdramatising those atheistic moves because you are from the theists' side. Just like those moves may not create much respect the same thing goes for some things, some theists do. Such as having negative reactions when they hear someone is an atheist, when they struggle to keep almost everything the way their religion taught them without using always reasonable arguments and generally by acting like they deserve to influence the world around them while atheists dont.
Opinions dont have to be taken seriously if they are: a) ridiculous and/or b) expressed in an annoying and/or invasive manner.
If you are done with the vague statements with no examples that leave me with responding with equally vague responses, let me know.
Where did I say that you generalised about Christians being on the right side?
Why would I assume anything but the fact that you must be a Christian since you defend Christians the way you do?
How did I infer that it was a shot at me? It doesnt have to be a shot at me for me to extend your line of thinking and apply it to your words.
"I don't doubt myself or I wouldn't be typing this." Sorry but that doesnt follow at all. Just because you keep on typing what you type doesnt mean that you dont doubt yourself at all. If that were the case then it would be true for me too. But I do doubt myself and my beliefs because I dont consider that I have the answer for those serious questions about God, the supernatural and whatnot.
Its all good when you explain to me why you post what you post but your assumption of atheists was applied without you listening to any clarification on why they could feel disrespected or outraged. Since you dont take such clarifications into consideration, why should I?
Y'know what? Neither of us are going to convince the other and I've done this dance long enough to know that my reply will be longer than yours and yours will be longer than that one. So lets save each other half an hour and admit one thing, both sides are pretty stubborn, are they not?[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="buldog300"] You sound like a person who would be fun to have a drink with. Christ called the 'holiest' men at the time Hippocrates, so apparently it isn't a sin to defy the self-righteous. I do it on a day-to-day basis. Find jesus friend, you deny yourself much freedom by not doing so. buldog300
Where in the bible does it say Jesus called people disgusting, ignorant and intolerant? Oh, and self righteous. We must have different versions of the Bible ;).
Well aren't you clever. They sure didn't crucify Christ because he was an agreeable guy, and in god's eyes who isn't ignorant? But I digress, I'm not Christ, I only try to live up to his word. Jesus was disgusted by the people who turned the temple into a market, angered by the ignorance of the Pharisees and Sadducee who usurped much power and exploited their positions, and was obviously treated to the most compassionate part of an intolerant society. Glad I could clarify for you my friend.So basically, despite feeling that way, Jesus never lashed out at others as that was not his way. As such I was correct in pointing out your spiritual failings, but it's OK because you, "are not Christ". I think you might be misunderstanding Jesus Christ's vision. If you think you can insult people and try and enforce the word of God on them, then you should maybe be rethinking your methods.
Y'know what? Neither of us are going to convince the other and I've done this dance long enough to know that my reply will be longer than yours and yours will be longer than that one. So lets save each other half an hour and admit one thing, both sides are pretty stubborn, are they not?buldog300Of course, any side, in any "dispute" is stubborn or at least can be.
Well aren't you clever. They sure didn't crucify Christ because he was an agreeable guy, and in god's eyes who isn't ignorant? But I digress, I'm not Christ, I only try to live up to his word. Jesus was disgusted by the people who turned the temple into a market, angered by the ignorance of the Pharisees and Sadducee who usurped much power and exploited their positions, and was obviously treated to the most compassionate part of an intolerant society. Glad I could clarify for you my friend.[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]
Where in the bible does it say Jesus called people disgusting, ignorant and intolerant? Oh, and self righteous. We must have different versions of the Bible ;).
WasntAvailable
So basically, despite feeling that way, Jesus never lashed out at others as that was not his way. As such I was correct in pointing out your spiritual failings, but it's OK because you, "are not Christ". I think you might be misunderstanding Jesus Christ's vision. If you think you can insult people and try and enforce the word of God on them, then you should maybe be rethinking your methods.
We can't all be Saints.
Well aren't you clever. They sure didn't crucify Christ because he was an agreeable guy, and in god's eyes who isn't ignorant? But I digress, I'm not Christ, I only try to live up to his word. Jesus was disgusted by the people who turned the temple into a market, angered by the ignorance of the Pharisees and Sadducee who usurped much power and exploited their positions, and was obviously treated to the most compassionate part of an intolerant society. Glad I could clarify for you my friend.[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]
Where in the bible does it say Jesus called people disgusting, ignorant and intolerant? Oh, and self righteous. We must have different versions of the Bible ;).
WasntAvailable
So basically, despite feeling that way, Jesus never lashed out at others as that was not his way. As such I was correct in pointing out your spiritual failings, but it's OK because you, "are not Christ". I think you might be misunderstanding Jesus Christ's vision. If you think you can insult people and try and enforce the word of God on them, then you should maybe be rethinking your methods.
Wow, I insulted you? I dind't realize someone could be both intolerant and sensitive. As I said, Jesus did lash out, and he stood up for what was right and wasn't afraid to call people what they were. I won't say I don't have spiritual failings, I'm not god, but I won't give you the satisfaction of saying you are some insightful visionary who repelled an offensive christian. When I say I'm not Christ I don't mean to imply I'm sorry for what I said. I'm not, I think you are intolerant and you do disgust me like most intolerant people. I meant to imply that I myself am not perfect nor could I hope to be as great as Christ himself in other words I was trying to avoid any conceptions that I was comparing myself to my lord in this scenario. As for enforcing the word of god, well, I think we both know that I'm not trying to convert you. I don't hug porcupines, it's not my policy..[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"][QUOTE="buldog300"] Well aren't you clever. They sure didn't crucify Christ because he was an agreeable guy, and in god's eyes who isn't ignorant? But I digress, I'm not Christ, I only try to live up to his word. Jesus was disgusted by the people who turned the temple into a market, angered by the ignorance of the Pharisees and Sadducee who usurped much power and exploited their positions, and was obviously treated to the most compassionate part of an intolerant society. Glad I could clarify for you my friend.buldog300
So basically, despite feeling that way, Jesus never lashed out at others as that was not his way. As such I was correct in pointing out your spiritual failings, but it's OK because you, "are not Christ". I think you might be misunderstanding Jesus Christ's vision. If you think you can insult people and try and enforce the word of God on them, then you should maybe be rethinking your methods.
Wow, I insulted you? I dind't realize someone could be both intolerant and sensitive. As I said, Jesus did lash out, and he stood up for what was right and wasn't afraid to call people what they were. I won't say I don't have spiritual failings, I'm not god, but I won't give you the satisfaction of saying you are some insightful visionary who repelled an offensive christian. When I say I'm not Christ I don't mean to imply I'm sorry for what I said. I'm not, I think you are intolerant and you do disgust me like most intolerant people. I meant to imply that I myself am not perfect nor could I hope to be as great as Christ himself in other words I was trying to avoid any conceptions that I was comparing myself to my lord in this scenario. As for enforcing the word of god, well, I think we both know that I'm not trying to convert you. I don't hug porcupines, it's not my policy..Jesus did not lash out with verbal abuse, I'm sorry, but you are preaching your ego, not Christ.
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