Prayer in public schools - here's the solution to the controversy

You can pray in school... it just can't be led by teachers/faculty. If it is led by faculty it could be interpretted as catering to one religion over the other. Students can organize prayers with teachers watching over them... it's just that teachers can't lead the prayer...

Seriously, this whole Atheism vs. Christianity/Organized religion bullcrap has to freaking stop.

I also want to add one last thing...

Religion is a private matter something which should only carry weight if you are in your house or place of worship. If you have to pray, fine. Do it where no one can here you pray, preferably inside your head. Now, if you have specific practices for worshipping like Muslims talk to school administrators/staff and see if you can be accomodated outside of the classroom (in the hallway, for example) and you can pray there. That is only if you have to pray at certain times and in a 'distracting' fashion.

So this way at say 12 o'clock Christians will just stand up in the middle of class and start praying. Afterall, the school can't suspend 85% of its students, and besides it's difficult to suspend someone for praying. And this avoids all the political bickering among the school authorities.whipassmt

A. We have a seperation of church and state for a reason

B. 85% of americans don't even pray, much less in public, at school. :lol:

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]So this way at say 12 o'clock Christians will just stand up in the middle of class and start praying. Afterall, the school can't suspend 85% of its students, and besides it's difficult to suspend someone for praying. And this avoids all the political bickering among the school authorities.PrimordialMeme

A. We have a seperation of church and state for a reason

B. 85% of americans don't even pray, much less in public, at school. :lol:

Seriously, this whole Atheism vs. Christianity/Organized religion bullcrap has to freaking stop.

MattUD1

QFT

That's stupid. I suggest you copy France's secular solution instead.jointed

That totally worked out well for them, especially considering France is such a paragon of religious tolerance and harmony.

[QUOTE="jointed"]That's stupid. I suggest you copy France's secular solution instead.The_Ish

That totally worked out well for them, especially considering France is such a paragon of religious tolerance and harmony.

That's not because they have a religious Wednesday though...

dream solution- abolish religion

logical situation- Religion is a personal thing, if the students want to pray, they can do it on their own itme.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.GP1mil

ha you made me lol.

dream solution- abolish religion

logical situation- Religion is a personal thing, if the students want to pray, they can do it on their own itme.

dante_123456

my thoughts too...

no one is going to do that.. there is plenty of time to pray as it is and by doing what you plan you are just being difficult. why let christians have a special time to pray and not everyone all the time?

why cant the kids pray at school, its not like it affects the atheist kidsinyourface_12

no one is stopping them, they can pray, so as long as the teachers or faculty don't lead them, and it does not disrupt school functioning

We don't have separation of church and state in Connecticut, not anymore. just google "Connecticut- "plan B" compromise law.whipassmt

[QUOTE="inyourface_12"]why cant the kids pray at school, its not like it affects the atheist kidsThe_Ish

no one is stopping them, they can pray, so as long as the teachers or faculty don't lead them, and it does not disrupt school functioning

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] We don't have separation of church and state in Connecticut, not anymore. just google "Connecticut- "plan B" compromise law.CptJSparrow

Okay well if the school allowed it Atheists would whine and cry, and since the schools don't allow it Christians get angry and try to get the school to allow it. My plan is to bypass the school and town officials. Christian parents will all meet and agree on a certain time and then tell their children to start praying at a certain time. So this way at say 12 o'clock Christians will just stand up in the middle of class and start praying. Afterall, the school can't suspend 85% of its students, and besides it's difficult to suspend someone for praying. And this avoids all the political bickering among the school authorities.whipassmt

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] We don't have separation of church and state in Connecticut, not anymore. just google "Connecticut- "plan B" compromise law.whipassmt

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.eo12601

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

[QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.Tylendal

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

everyone does know that separation of church and state was originally intended to keep the STATE out of the CHURCH....right?

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.seanxixamx99

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

everyone does know that separation of church and state was originally intended to keep the STATE out of the CHURCH....right?

[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.MattUD1

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

everyone does know that separation of church and state was originally intended to keep the STATE out of the CHURCH....right?

well, considering the foundation of America was people looking for religious freedom, and the founding fathers and principles of our country were based off Christianity, I think they were more concerned with government intruding on their faith

quite the opposite nowadays:?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.seanxixamx99

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

everyone does know that separation of church and state was originally intended to keep the STATE out of the CHURCH....right?

well, considering the foundation of America was people looking for religious freedom, and the founding fathers and principles of our country were based off Christianity, I think they were more concerned with government intruding on their faith

quite the opposite nowadays:?

[QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.MattUD1

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

everyone does know that separation of church and state was originally intended to keep the STATE out of the CHURCH....right?

well, considering the foundation of America was people looking for religious freedom, and the founding fathers and principles of our country were based off Christianity, I think they were more concerned with government intruding on their faith

quite the opposite nowadays:?

pilgrims, they left england was because it was too "catholic" as i recall, but it might have been other reasons

Theres a student prayer group at my school. They meet andpray before school starts.

I pray when ever I feel like. Though I pray in my head and not out loud.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="seanxixamx99"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="eo12601"]

[QUOTE="GP1mil"]I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.seanxixamx99

ha you made me lol.

But Church and State aren't seperate. Only 30% of Americans said that they'd elect an athiest.

everyone does know that separation of church and state was originally intended to keep the STATE out of the CHURCH....right?

well, considering the foundation of America was people looking for religious freedom, and the founding fathers and principles of our country were based off Christianity, I think they were more concerned with government intruding on their faith

quite the opposite nowadays:?

pilgrims, they left england was because it was too "catholic" as i recall, but it might have been other reasons

Seriously, this whole Atheism vs. Christianity/Organized religion bullcrap has to freaking stop.

I also want to add one last thing...

MattUD1

If we don't live our lives out in discontent for our mortal polars, then what will there be to do?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]

Seriously, this whole Atheism vs. Christianity/Organized religion bullcrap has to freaking stop.

I also want to add one last thing...

GettingTired

If we don't live our lives out in discontent for our mortal polars, then what will there be to do?

The world isnt just chrisitans and athiest , there are budhist, jews, pagans, muslims and so many others !

Okay well if the school allowed it Atheists would whine and cry, and since the schools don't allow it Christians get angry and try to get the school to allow it. My plan is to bypass the school and town officials. Christian parents will all meet and agree on a certain time and then tell their children to start praying at a certain time. So this way at say 12 o'clock Christians will just stand up in the middle of class and start praying. Afterall, the school can't suspend 85% of its students, and besides it's difficult to suspend someone for praying. And this avoids all the political bickering among the school authorities.whipassmt

Agree

That would be disruptive. Kids can already pray in school by themselves. If the parents want teacher-led prayer, they should send the kids to a private religious school. Elraptor