Predict who will win the election and what the electoral map will look like...

...with 270towin.com

I predict that Obama will win 303 to 235. Here is my map: http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=pOn

I apologize for the crudeness of the link, but for some reason GS won't let me do proper links to my 270towin.com map.

I got Romney...but only by like 8 delegates

Obama will win most likely.

Based on Electoral polls, not national polls, he's already got a huge lead.

Obama will win through landslide.

I am not convinced that Mitt Romney will win at all.

Obama will win through landslide.

I am not convinced that Mitt Romney will win at all.

leviathan91

What's your definition of a landslide victory?

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Obama will win through landslide.

I am not convinced that Mitt Romney will win at all.

Oleg_Huzwog

What's your definition of a landslide victory?

Like he'll win with the most electoral college votes and highest popular vote (above 70%)?

Maybe I'm exaggerating.

Obama by a landslide.

Romney just isn't likeable or relatable for most people. He's a lame duck candidate who's like the Republican version of John Kerry.

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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Obama will win through landslide.

I am not convinced that Mitt Romney will win at all.

leviathan91

What's your definition of a landslide victory?

Like he'll win with the most electoral college votes and highest popular vote (above 70%)?

Maybe I'm exaggerating.

With all due respect, you definitely are exaggerating.

His popular vote percentage will be 52% at the most and probably not even that. Probably more like 51% to Romney's 48%.

As far as the electoral college is concerned, I think Obama will win pretty handily, but I don't think it will be a landslide.

That's how I see it happening.

Obama - 272

Romney - 266

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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Obama will win through landslide.

I am not convinced that Mitt Romney will win at all.

leviathan91

What's your definition of a landslide victory?

Like he'll win with the most electoral college votes and highest popular vote (above 70%)?

Maybe I'm exaggerating.

Yeah, just a little. Most projections have Romney taking 20-25 states and 200-ish electoral votes, vs Obama taking 25-30 and 330-ish. A comfortable victory, but far from a landslide.

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

Obama by a landslide.

Romney just isn't likeable or relatable for most people. He's a lame duck candidate who's like the Republican version of John Kerry.

bigfoot2045

Same question for you as the other guy - what would you consider to be a landslide victory?

There's not a single projection out there forecasting anything remotely close to a landslide (or what most people would call a "landslide").

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

k2theswiss

I like to bash Willard as much as the next guy but how is Romney a religion nut? If anything, he's one of the Republicans who is best about keeping his religion out of his political persona and platform. Now if you want a good example of a religion nut candidate, look no further than Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, or Mike Huckabee (didn't actually think Huckabee was a nut at first, but then he said something about making the Constitution more like the Bible).

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obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

GreySeal9

I like to bash Willard as much as the next guy but how is Romney a religion nut? If anything, he's one of the Republican who is best about keeping his religion out of his political persona and platform. Now if you want a good example of a religion nut candidate, look no further than Michelle Bachmann.

And Rick Perry

And Rick Santorum

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

k2theswiss

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

CycleOfViolence

I like to bash Willard as much as the next guy but how is Romney a religion nut? If anything, he's one of the Republican who is best about keeping his religion out of his political persona and platform. Now if you want a good example of a religion nut candidate, look no further than Michelle Bachmann.

And Rick Perry

And Rick Santorum

Yeah, them too.

Obama will win because Romney is essentially a Republican version of John Kerry. That being said I doubt it will matter at all who wins. The republicans and democrats have made it clear they will not work together on any issue.

Obama will win because Romney is essentially a Republican version of John Kerry. That being said I doubt it will matter at all who wins. The republicans and democrats have made it clear they will not work together on any issue.

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

k2theswiss

Would you rather have the government let the businesses and banks fail?

Ford, GM, etc who are among the largest employers in not just the nation, but the entire world... And if the banks were allowed to fail it would cause a rush of withdraws (on money that doesn't exist) meaning the dollar becomes worthless because the money doesn't exist in reality it exist in capital for loans and the likes and the government bankrupts itself issuing the insurance claims from FDIC for all that lost money?

Just those two things happening the US would cause countless more businesses to fail (Loan from a bank? Business fails... Uses GM trucks? Business fails... Etc), unemployment wouldn't just be "bad" like it is now, more people would be unemployed than ever before in history, both by number and by percentage... It would cause worldwide economic depression...

Considering the world isn't a smoldering ruin at the moment, I think things are pretty swell...

Obama will win because Romney is essentially a Republican version of John Kerry. That being said I doubt it will matter at all who wins. The republicans and democrats have made it clear they will not work together on any issue.

UnknownSniper65

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

C2N2

Would you rather have the government let the businesses and banks fail?

Ford, GM, etc who are among the largest employers in not just the nation, but the entire world... And if the banks were allowed to fail it would cause a rush of withdraws (on money that doesn't exist) meaning the dollar becomes worthless because the money doesn't exist in reality it exist in capital for loans and the likes and the government bankrupts itself issuing the insurance claims from FDIC for all that lost money?

Just those two things happening the US would cause countless more businesses to fail (Loan from a bank? Business fails... Uses GM trucks? Business fails... Etc), unemployment wouldn't just be "bad" like it is now, more people would be unemployed than ever before in history, both by number and by percentage... It would cause worldwide economic depression...

Considering the world isn't a smoldering ruin at the moment, I think things are pretty swell...

Why are banks and corporations allowed to enjoy the benefits of socialism, while individuals are left to rot?

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

bigfoot2045

Would you rather have the government let the businesses and banks fail?

Ford, GM, etc who are among the largest employers in not just the nation, but the entire world... And if the banks were allowed to fail it would cause a rush of withdraws (on money that doesn't exist) meaning the dollar becomes worthless because the money doesn't exist in reality it exist in capital for loans and the likes and the government bankrupts itself issuing the insurance claims from FDIC for all that lost money?

Just those two things happening the US would cause countless more businesses to fail (Loan from a bank? Business fails... Uses GM trucks? Business fails... Etc), unemployment wouldn't just be "bad" like it is now, more people would be unemployed than ever before in history, both by number and by percentage... It would cause worldwide economic depression...

Considering the world isn't a smoldering ruin at the moment, I think things are pretty swell...

Why are banks and corporations allowed to enjoy the benefits of socialism, while individuals are left to rot?

Benefit of the many.

Pure utility... If an individual rots, an individual rots... If the private banking and industrial base of the entire world rots, the entire world rots.

Steps are being taken now to make it so that we never arrive at this situation again, but that wouldn't have mattered much if we were in a second great depression as opposed to where we are right now...

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

Allicrombie

Romney's running mate will put the nail in his coffin.

Just as it did McCain.

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

k2theswiss

That is the whole point of the mandate... Right now there are people who CHOOSE not to have health insurance and still go to hospitals... Who pays for that when they (ie: their insurance they don't have) don't pay for it? The hospital pays for them because they are required by law to do so (can't refuse a patient because of inability to pay)... And when the hospital pays for it they want to make up that difference as they can't just give out free healthcare to everyone they are still a business they will fail if they do that... How do they make up this difference? They charge a higher premium to people who actually pay...

The whole point of the individual mandate is that if EVERYONE has health insurance, no one is free riding, the costs decline since the hospitals and thus other people aren't footing the bill for free loaders...

Of course no one believes this since the Republicans are doing everything in their power to prevent the law from functioning, which is funny because they do this at the same time as they claim Obamacare isn't working lol... "This door doesn't shut!" *has foot in the door*

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

C2N2

Would you rather have the government let the businesses and banks fail?

Ford, GM, etc who are among the largest employers in not just the nation, but the entire world... And if the banks were allowed to fail it would cause a rush of withdraws (on money that doesn't exist) meaning the dollar becomes worthless because the money doesn't exist in reality it exist in capital for loans and the likes and the government bankrupts itself issuing the insurance claims from FDIC for all that lost money?

Just those two things happening the US would cause countless more businesses to fail (Loan from a bank? Business fails... Uses GM trucks? Business fails... Etc), unemployment wouldn't just be "bad" like it is now, more people would be unemployed than ever before in history, both by number and by percentage... It would cause worldwide economic depression...

Considering the world isn't a smoldering ruin at the moment, I think things are pretty swell...

[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

Would you rather have the government let the businesses and banks fail?

Ford, GM, etc who are among the largest employers in not just the nation, but the entire world... And if the banks were allowed to fail it would cause a rush of withdraws (on money that doesn't exist) meaning the dollar becomes worthless because the money doesn't exist in reality it exist in capital for loans and the likes and the government bankrupts itself issuing the insurance claims from FDIC for all that lost money?

Just those two things happening the US would cause countless more businesses to fail (Loan from a bank? Business fails... Uses GM trucks? Business fails... Etc), unemployment wouldn't just be "bad" like it is now, more people would be unemployed than ever before in history, both by number and by percentage... It would cause worldwide economic depression...

Considering the world isn't a smoldering ruin at the moment, I think things are pretty swell...

C2N2

Why are banks and corporations allowed to enjoy the benefits of socialism, while individuals are left to rot?

Benefit of the many.

Pure utility... If an individual rots, an individual rots... If the private banking and industrial base of the entire world rots, the entire world rots.

Steps are being taken now to make it so that we never arrive at this situation again, but that wouldn't have mattered much if we were in a second great depression as opposed to where we are right now...

Look outside. We are in a second great depression. Poverty is the highest it's been in the US in 50 years.

The only people who benefitted from all of this were the rich, banks and corporations. If we really have a free market, then banks and corporations should ahve been allowed to fail. If we're a socialist country, everyone should enjoy the benefits of socialism. Instead we have a plutocracy, where the rich are too big to fail, and everyone else gets crapped on. It's hypocrisy is what it is.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"][QUOTE="Allicrombie"] I still don't see what's so wrong about wanting everyone to have healthcare. C2N2

That is the whole point of the mandate... Right now there are people who CHOOSE not to have health insurance and still go to hospitals... Who pays for that when they (ie: their insurance they don't have) don't pay for it? The hospital pays for them because they are required by law to do so (can't refuse a patient because of inability to pay)... And when the hospital pays for it they want to make up that difference as they can't just give out free healthcare to everyone they are still a business they will fail if they do that... How do they make up this difference? They charge a higher premium to people who actually pay...

The whole point of the individual mandate is that if EVERYONE has health insurance, no one is free riding, the costs decline since the hospitals and thus other people aren't footing the bill for free loaders...

Of course no one believes this since the Republicans are doing everything in their power to prevent the law from functioning, which is funny because they do this at the same time as they claim Obamacare isn't working lol... "This door doesn't shut!" *has foot in the door*

Obama: 294

Dog Abuser: 244

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[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

k2theswiss

Would you rather have the government let the businesses and banks fail?

Ford, GM, etc who are among the largest employers in not just the nation, but the entire world... And if the banks were allowed to fail it would cause a rush of withdraws (on money that doesn't exist) meaning the dollar becomes worthless because the money doesn't exist in reality it exist in capital for loans and the likes and the government bankrupts itself issuing the insurance claims from FDIC for all that lost money?

Just those two things happening the US would cause countless more businesses to fail (Loan from a bank? Business fails... Uses GM trucks? Business fails... Etc), unemployment wouldn't just be "bad" like it is now, more people would be unemployed than ever before in history, both by number and by percentage... It would cause worldwide economic depression...

Considering the world isn't a smoldering ruin at the moment, I think things are pretty swell...

That is what the world financial community and US Government/EU Government are attempting to do... They imposing restrictions on what banks can and can't do and the likes now and made the entire process more transparent... But like I said, they wouldn't have had the chance to do that if the banking industry fell apart...

Short of a pre-election ***** up, its Obama's to win.

Though I suspect it will be allot closer this election.

Around here(northern ky/Cincinnati) most people were like "meh, I guess I dislike Obama", last election.

And now are ademently hateful of him with words I can't use here, for fear of mods.

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[QUOTE="bigfoot2045"]

Why are banks and corporations allowed to enjoy the benefits of socialism, while individuals are left to rot?

bigfoot2045

Benefit of the many.

Pure utility... If an individual rots, an individual rots... If the private banking and industrial base of the entire world rots, the entire world rots.

Steps are being taken now to make it so that we never arrive at this situation again, but that wouldn't have mattered much if we were in a second great depression as opposed to where we are right now...

Look outside. We are in a second great depression. Poverty is the highest it's been in the US in 50 years.

The only people who benefitted from all of this were the rich, banks and corporations. If we really have a free market, then banks and corporations should ahve been allowed to fail. If we're a socialist country, everyone should enjoy the benefits of socialism. Instead we have a plutocracy, where the rich are too big to fail, and everyone else gets crapped on. It's hypocrisy is what it is.

9% unemplyment is hardly equivalent to a "great drepression"... And while I don't deny the other things you have said... Little can be done to change it...

So long as everyone (informed or not (mostly uninformed)) has an equal vote, politicians will play on the emotions of people to get a vote... And then once in office do what benefits their party rather than benfits the people they represent.

The unemployment is only so low because they're spin doctoring the numbers to get rid of people who have stopped looking for work. In many cases, companies have also run out of people to fire, so people are no longer filing for unemployment in large numbers.

Obama, even people who don't like Obama still like him more than Romney.

Man, the poll is nail-bitingly close.

Man, the poll is nail-bitingly close.

GreySeal9

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

k2theswiss

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

obama- guy who been in house 4 years who has done nothing this nation needs because forcing people get health care. i don't like be forced to do crap. don't get me wrong the new health law as good things in it. p.s i do have health insurance.Other then that we are pretty much in the same spot as 4 years ago. same employment rate/ 5 trillion more in debt.

then you got

romney who's a religion nut....

TopTierHustler

Who cares?ShadowsDemon

Why is it so difficult is it for some of you to refrain from posting in threads you don't care about? :?

I think I speak for the entire western world outside America when I say, please dear God not a Republican.

Man, the poll is nail-bitingly close.

GreySeal9

inb4 Liberalspot