Prenups. Are they a sign of a lack of trust in a marriage?

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#1 Capitan_Kid
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Or are they just a safety net incase things don't work out? Would/did you get a prenup?

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#2 foxhound_fox
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There are a sign of people knowing that things can change over the course of a person's life and a protection of personal and especially family assets against the divorce process.
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#3 mingmao3046
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Prenups are worthless, they often get thrown out by judges. Your best bet as a man is to simply not get married. You do not need a legal contract to have a good relationship.
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#4 Fightingfan
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People fail to realize prenups only protect you from things you own prior to the marriage. Example. If I got some hoe drunk enough to marry me she wouldn't be able to take my Escalade, though if we buy a CTSV during marriage(even if it's solely in my name) it's fair game when we split and share assets.
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#5 Fightingfan
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Prenups are worthless, they often get thrown out by judges. Your best bet as a man is to simply not get married. You do not need a legal contract to have a good relationship. mingmao3046
Not necessarily people just fail to read the fine print; only thing I think is bullshit is alimony. Luckily I live in a state where alimony is considered bullshit (in most cases). 

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I personally would never go into a marriage with a prenup, but every situation is different. If I was some hot shot millionaire and I know the smoking hot woman I'm about to marry is likely in it for the money, I'd probably want the prenup.

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#8 LJS9502_basic
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There are a sign of people knowing that things can change over the course of a person's life and a protection of personal and especially family assets against the divorce process.foxhound_fox
More like a lack of faith in the relationship.

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#9 mahlasor
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  If the thought comes up, that means she is not trustworthy enough.  It only makes sense if you have a lot of stuff.  Dont get married, common law marriage says that after three years you are automatically married.  But that is a long time to find out if you want to be with that person for the rest of your life.  Most people end up breaking up with someone way beforehand.  Kind of a sad thing when you think about it.  Luckily I never had to deal with that, which can be both good and bad.  

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they're a sign of common sense. my parents are happy after more than 25 years together, and i don't think the prenup put a dent on that.
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  If the thought comes up, that means she is not trustworthy enough.  It only makes sense if you have a lot of stuff.  Dont get married, common law marriage says that after three years you are automatically married.  But that is a long time to find out if you want to be with that person for the rest of your life.  Most people end up breaking up with someone way beforehand.  Kind of a sad thing when you think about it.  Luckily I never had to deal with that, which can be both good and bad.  

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#12 Ace6301
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It's a sign of people who understand things change, including people.
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#13 foxhound_fox
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More like a lack of faith in the relationship.LJS9502_basic
Or an understanding of the human condition rather than blindly presuming they are something they aren't.
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#14 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  If the thought comes up, that means she is not trustworthy enough.  It only makes sense if you have a lot of stuff.  Dont get married, common law marriage says that after three years you are automatically married.  But that is a long time to find out if you want to be with that person for the rest of your life.  Most people end up breaking up with someone way beforehand.  Kind of a sad thing when you think about it.  Luckily I never had to deal with that, which can be both good and bad.  

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Common law is currently only 9 states

sun uv a..bitch!  Well simply marry someone where your goal is to live with them and have children, etc.  Its not that hard to know what kind of people her family is like.  

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  If the thought comes up, that means she is not trustworthy enough.  It only makes sense if you have a lot of stuff.  Dont get married, common law marriage says that after three years you are automatically married.  But that is a long time to find out if you want to be with that person for the rest of your life.  Most people end up breaking up with someone way beforehand.  Kind of a sad thing when you think about it.  Luckily I never had to deal with that, which can be both good and bad.  

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sun uv a..bitch!  Well simply marry someone where your goal is to live with them and have children, etc.  Its not that hard to know what kind of people her family is like.  

Actually it is. The divorce rate is very high and things can and do change.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More like a lack of faith in the relationship.foxhound_fox
Or an understanding of the human condition rather than blindly presuming they are something they aren't.

once youre old enough to form a meaningful bond with another person, having a prenup in the background you are showing little faith in the relationship..

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#17 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More like a lack of faith in the relationship.Zaibach

Or an understanding of the human condition rather than blindly presuming they are something they aren't.

once youre old enough to form a meaningful bond with another person, having a prenup in the background you are showing little faith in the relationship..

I didn't realize you needed a government contract to have a "meaningful bond" with a significant other
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#18 Zaibach
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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] Or an understanding of the human condition rather than blindly presuming they are something they aren't.mingmao3046

once youre old enough to form a meaningful bond with another person, having a prenup in the background you are showing little faith in the relationship..

I didn't realize you needed a government contract to have a "meaningful bond" with a significant other

if its not sanctioned in the eyes of the lord and state then its not a relationship worth having

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#19 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

once youre old enough to form a meaningful bond with another person, having a prenup in the background you are showing little faith in the relationship..

Zaibach

I didn't realize you needed a government contract to have a "meaningful bond" with a significant other

if its not sanctioned in the eyes of the lord and state then its not a relationship worth having

Pathetic. You dont need the approval of the legal system to lead a happy relationship
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I dont know much about prenups, but are there clauses where if the person with the wealth abuses or hurts the other person, the other person gets something in the divorce? I'm assuming that not all prenups are black and white.

Marriages dont necessarily deserve trust either. There are so many divorces now, people change and things happen. Assuming you live to like 60-70 years old on average and get married in your twenties or early thirties, that's half your life you are committing to someone you've known for only a couple of years. It's ridiculous to assume people wont change and that you truly know how everybody will act in unforseen circumstances. The person you fell in love with may not be the same person later on in life, and sometimes you want to protect your money if it's large in quanitity.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

once youre old enough to form a meaningful bond with another person, having a prenup in the background you are showing little faith in the relationship..

Zaibach

I didn't realize you needed a government contract to have a "meaningful bond" with a significant other

if its not sanctioned in the eyes of the lord and state then its not a relationship worth having

I didn't realize you had to be "old enough" to form a meaningful bond with someone....  What's the age limit on that?   I did it as a child!

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Or are they just a safety net incase things don't work out? Would/did you get a prenup?

Capitan_Kid

Prenups are 100% essential and anyone that doesn't get one is a complete failure at life.

 

That being said I have a post nup which is actually stronger.

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People fail to realize prenups only protect you from things you own prior to the marriage. Example. If I got some hoe drunk enough to marry me she wouldn't be able to take my Escalade, though if we buy a CTSV during marriage(even if it's solely in my name) it's fair game when we split and share assets. Fightingfan

That's not how prenups work.

 

In a prenup, you basically set the terms for the dissolution of the marriage, if it comes to that, before you get married.

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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] I didn't realize you needed a government contract to have a "meaningful bond" with a significant otherMikey132

if its not sanctioned in the eyes of the lord and state then its not a relationship worth having

I didn't realize you had to be "old enough" to form a meaningful bond with someone....  What's the age limit on that?   I did it as a child!

the rite of passage age is different for everyone, young grasshopper

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if both parties dont sign willingly and without debate it sure as poo is a sign that at least one of the parties plans on leaving at some point in the future.
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#27 lo_Pine
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Any man with a net worth > $1M should get a pre nup if he knows what is best for him.

Actually, any man should get a pre nup. Especially if the woman is low skilled or has a low paying job herself.

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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] I didn't realize you needed a government contract to have a "meaningful bond" with a significant othermingmao3046

if its not sanctioned in the eyes of the lord and state then its not a relationship worth having

Pathetic. You dont need the approval of the legal system to lead a happy relationship

I'm with Ming on this. I actually know someone who isn't going to get married, and the GF doesn't want to either. I don't remember his reasons, but they don't look like they're breaking up anytime soon.
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It is in your best interest to attain a prenup (or postnup), especially if you are a man. Also, it is well known that there is often a bias against men when it comes to divorce. And given how often marriage ends in divorce, well.... the odds are against you, regardless of sex.

Basically, the odds are that you'll need a prenup, or wish you had one. 

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#30 Shmiity
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I would say they are useful as F*ck. People change. You never know what could happen. Protect your assets.

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once youre old enough to form a meaningful bond with another person, having a prenup in the background you are showing little faith in the relationship..Zaibach
What is "faith in the relationship" exactly? Faith doesn't account for humans being subject to change. Faith doesn't protect a family business from being destroyed by divorce proceedings (whether there is intent to destroy it or not).
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Anyone against prenups isn't paying attention to just what the real deal with marriage is. Getting married without a prenup is basically playing Russian roulette. Most people weren't meant to be with one oerson for most of their lives, the sooner you realize this the happier you'll be.
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It is in your best interest to attain a prenup (or postnup), especially if you are a man. Also, it is well known that there is often a bias against men when it comes to divorce. And given how often marriage ends in divorce, well.... the odds are against you, regardless of sex.

Basically, the odds are that you'll need a prenup, or wish you had one. 

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No, they are a sign the person who's signing it has some logic.

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#35 MuD3
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while i don't have a prenup... it's stupid to have total faith in marriage. people change, situations change, you never know what even you yourself will feel in the future.
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I see them more as a safety net than distrust.
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Cue to George Costanza video...
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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

Or are they just a safety net incase things don't work out? Would/did you get a prenup?

GummiRaccoon

Prenups are 100% essential and anyone that doesn't get one is a complete failure at life.

 

That being said I have a post nup which is actually stronger.

prenups get thrown out and are worthless marriage is a bad choice
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#39 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="The__Kraken"]

It is in your best interest to attain a prenup (or postnup), especially if you are a man. Also, it is well known that there is often a bias against men when it comes to divorce. And given how often marriage ends in divorce, well.... the odds are against you, regardless of sex.

Basically, the odds are that you'll need a prenup, or wish you had one. 

GummiRaccoon

Women initiate divorce 2/3 of the time.

Its actually about 90% and some women have the nerve to wonder why so many men are hesitant to get married, LOL!
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What's a prenup?

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just dont get married.. the cons of marriage heavly outweigh the pros

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Anyone against prenups isn't paying attention to just what the real deal with marriage is. Getting married without a prenup is basically playing Russian roulette. Most people weren't meant to be with one oerson for most of their lives, the sooner you realize this the happier you'll be.Rhazakna
Then maybe you shouldn't be marrying that person in the first place.
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It's sad come to think of it.. there are no trusting in marriages anymore.
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Men, don't get married. You'll get castrated.

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#45 FuggaJ
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I'd say it's a sign of trust. Sign this and I can trust you not to take half my shit if things go south.
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if both parties dont sign willingly and without debate it sure as poo is a sign that at least one of the parties plans on leaving at some point in the future. surrealnumber5
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#47 jun_aka_pekto
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Meh. No need. We've been married for 19 years. If my wife was going to take my money and run, she would've done it already.