President Barack Obama Suspends All Guantanamo Bay Prosecutions For 120 Days

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#1 Rikusaki
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Damn. Obama's already on top of it!

He wasn't lying when he said he would do this on the first day. :o

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/guantanamo-bay/

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:O

he wastes no time

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How's that possible when I just saw him having a slow dance with Michelle at the Southern Ball? :?
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yes im FREE!!!!!!!
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He's gone mad with power! Mad I say!
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I think he should just execute them all....
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How's that possible when I just saw him having a slow dance with Michelle at the Southern Ball? :?helium_flash
He wasn't wearing a headset?
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How's that possible when I just saw him having a slow dance with Michelle at the Southern Ball? :?helium_flash
the man is that gangsta
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lol right to work
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#10 one_on_one
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Great, now the US will get attacked again.
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]How's that possible when I just saw him having a slow dance with Michelle at the Southern Ball? :?Devour2Survive
He wasn't wearing a headset?

He obviously borrowed the world's smallest bluetooth from Jim. :P
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#12 Devour2Survive
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Great, now the US will get attacked again.one_on_one
If the US does get attacked...then that just means we care more about the economy than the safety of our nation because if it was the other way around...everybody would be voting for McCain.
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#13 SpaceMoose
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Well, until I find out where they actually go from there, this doesn't tell me a whole lot.
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#14 metroidfood
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Great, now the US will get attacked again.one_on_one

Eh huh...

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Great! Now that the rights of terrorists and spies have been given to them, we can now worry about the small issues, like the economy, the war, and illegal immigration.
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#16 SpaceMoose
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Great! Now that the rights of terrorists and spies have been given to them, we can now worry about the small issues, like the economy, the war, and illegal immigration.DOS4dinner

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/60minutes/main3976928.shtml

See, the way our criminal justice system is supposed to work is that we have these things called "courts" and "evidence." I don't care what country they are citizens of.

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I think he should just execute them all....GTA_dude
No,build a coliseum-like building and bring back gladiatorial fights!
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[QUOTE="DOS4dinner"]Great! Now that the rights of terrorists and spies have been given to them, we can now worry about the small issues, like the economy, the war, and illegal immigration.SpaceMoose

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/60minutes/main3976928.shtml

See, the way our criminal justice system is supposed to work is that we have these things called "courts" and "evidence." I don't care what country they are citizens of.

Yeah, and our criminal justice system is for our CITIZENS. Not foreign fights, terrorists, spies, etc. If you're caught as an enemy combatant, you have very few rights, if any. And even less if you aren't on American soil. I think this is a dumb move.
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Yeah, and our criminal justice system is for our CITIZENS. Not foreign fights, terrorists, spies, etc. If you're caught as an enemy combatant, you have very few rights, if any. And even less if you aren't on American soil. I think this is a dumb move.remmbermytitans
Well, that's very nice and hypocritical. I don't think I'm special or deserve special treatment just because I was born in the United States. I love the presumption of guilt by virtue of them being there in the first place. I do so
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[QUOTE="DOS4dinner"]Great! Now that the rights of terrorists and spies have been given to them, we can now worry about the small issues, like the economy, the war, and illegal immigration.SpaceMoose

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/60minutes/main3976928.shtml

See, the way our criminal justice system is supposed to work is that we have these things called "courts" and "evidence." I don't care what country they are citizens of.

Problem is, there have NEVER been U.S. trials for POWs or "enemy combatants". There weren't exactly U.S. trials of German and Japanese prisoners after the war. There were the Hague trials for the Nazi leadership, but that's the World Court, and nobody at the World Court wants to touch trying these people. That's what makes this whole "I can't believe we're not extending Habeas Corpus to the prisoners at Guantanamo!" so silly to me. They're NOT U.S. citizens! They've never even BEEN in the U.S., how could they possibly be tried by "a jury of their peers" here? Literally the first time they'd ever have been in the U.S... would be to go on trial.

This is an "image" move only. Barack's not dumb (which is why I voted for him), he'll just move the prisoners to another location and set up an altered version of military tribunals. Which is going to make a lot of people go apesh--, for one reason only... they can't imagine that Bush did ONE SINGLE THING right. As a result, Obama's going to take tons of useless heat because he's not going to roll back every single thing Bush ever did. Which will be quite stupid. But, alas.

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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="remmbermytitans"] Yeah, and our criminal justice system is for our CITIZENS. Not foreign fighters, terrorists, spies, etc. If you're caught as an enemy combatant, you have very few rights, if any. And even less if you aren't on American soil. I think this is a dumb move.

Well, that's very nice and hypocritical. I don't think I'm special or deserve special treatment just because I was born in the United States. I love the presumption of guilt by virtue of them being there in the first place. I do

Are prisoners of war any different? At least with prisoners of war you know what country they're from, what part of the military they belong to, etc. With these groups that don't represent a country, that don't belong to any military, or anything, they need to be held somewhere. We can't just send them back or release them, chances are they'll try to kill again.
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I don't give a crap if they are U.S. citizens. They are under our jurisdiction. There have been people released from there already because they had nothing on them, which utterly destroys the backwards assumption that everyone there is a "terrorist" or what have you.
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#23 GabuEx
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That's a good way to start his presidency.

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#24 SpaceMoose
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"] Are prisoners of war any different? At least with prisoners of war you know what country they're from, what part of the military they belong to, etc. With these groups that don't represent a country, that don't belong to any military, or anything, they need to be held somewhere. We can't just send them back or release them, chances are they'll try to kill again.

What part of there having already been people released from there because they were decided to be innocent - after being held there a long time - didn't you comprehend exactly?
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="remmbermytitans"] Are prisoners of war any different? At least with prisoners of war you know what country they're from, what part of the military they belong to, etc. With these groups that don't represent a country, that don't belong to any military, or anything, they need to be held somewhere. We can't just send them back or release them, chances are they'll try to kill again.

What part of there having already been people released from there because they were decided to be innocent - after being held there a long time - didn't you comprehend exactly?

Fine. Maybe 10 out of those 250 people at the prison are actually not terrorists. Here in America, even after a trial, there are wrongful arrests and wrongful convictions, no system is perfect.
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Are prisoners of war any different? At least with prisoners of war you know what country they're from, what part of the military they belong to, etc. With these groups that don't represent a country, that don't belong to any military, or anything, they need to be held somewhere. We can't just send them back or release them, chances are they'll try to kill again.remmbermytitans

The thing I don't get is this: if you know they're terrorists, prosecute them. If you have no evidence on them, release them. I don't understand all this "we aren't going to charge them with anything but we're going to hold them there forever anyway" bit.

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So far, Obama has lived down to all my extremely low expectations of him.
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]Are prisoners of war any different? At least with prisoners of war you know what country they're from, what part of the military they belong to, etc. With these groups that don't represent a country, that don't belong to any military, or anything, they need to be held somewhere. We can't just send them back or release them, chances are they'll try to kill again.GabuEx

The thing I don't get is this: if you know they're terrorists, prosecute them. If you have no evidence on them, release them. I don't understand all this "we aren't going to charge them with anything but we're going to hold them there forever anyway" bit.

How can you prove it one way or the other? Pretend one guy that actually IS a terrorist is in court. How do you prove it? He had a gun, shot at soldiers, therefore he's a terrorist. That's lacking evidence in a legal system. How many juries are going to buy that? If you hold them as enemy combatants, prisoners of war, or whatever you want to call them, the fact that he shot at soldiers is more than enough evidence to hold them.
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#29 Baranga
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

[QUOTE="DOS4dinner"]Great! Now that the rights of terrorists and spies have been given to them, we can now worry about the small issues, like the economy, the war, and illegal immigration.remmbermytitans

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/60minutes/main3976928.shtml

See, the way our criminal justice system is supposed to work is that we have these things called "courts" and "evidence." I don't care what country they are citizens of.

Yeah, and our criminal justice system is for our CITIZENS. Not foreign fights, terrorists, spies, etc. If you're caught as an enemy combatant, you have very few rights, if any. And even less if you aren't on American soil. I think this is a dumb move.

Your criminal justice system is a joke:) A US soldier, while drunk, hit a cab while driving his Jeep in the middle of the city and killed one of our most famous musicians.

He was sent back to the US and was found innocent. They couldn't prove that the victim was in the taxi:lol:

Awesome.

Just google VanGoethem to see.

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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/28/60minutes/main3976928.shtml

See, the way our criminal justice system is supposed to work is that we have these things called "courts" and "evidence." I don't care what country they are citizens of.

Baranga

Yeah, and our criminal justice system is for our CITIZENS. Not foreign fights, terrorists, spies, etc. If you're caught as an enemy combatant, you have very few rights, if any. And even less if you aren't on American soil. I think this is a dumb move.

Your criminal justice system is a joke:) A US soldier, while drunk, hit a cab while driving his Jeep in the middle of the city and killed one of our most famous musicians.

He was sent back to the US and was found innocent. They couldn't prove that the victim was in the taxi:lol:

Awesome.

Just google VanGoethem to see.

See? My point exactly. If you send people that are CLEARLY guilty to their home country, there's a chance that he could get off free. Wouldn't your country, loved to have him appear in court according to your laws?
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#31 Baranga
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There's a difference between being arrested and held by hearsay and being arrested, held and found not guilty despite clear evidence (like, a billion videos and photos taken right after the accident).
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Best president ever confirmed
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Best president ever confirmedToriko42
I agree. :)
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#34 TBoogy
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So far, Obama has lived down to all my extremely low expectations of him.mysterylobster

Wow. How does one get to be a "Master Hater"? You take it to a whole new level. It is gonna be a hard 8 years for you (yes, I said 8 ).