Proof Moses Parted Waters, Bible's Red Sea Miracle Is Real?

I parted my tomato soup at dinner tonight

I parted my tomato soup at dinner tonight

wis3boi

I'm just going to come out and say it. There will never be proof. Ever since recorded history nothing like this has ever happened, nor ever will happen. It's simply not possible.

[QUOTE="Shadow4020"]

Wait, but it's not saying the water literally parted; it's saying that during low tide the reef was exposed and they were able to walk on it.

Right?

foxhound_fox

In light of this, and the apparent death of this thread, I'd like to post this (explicit content)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

A seagull ate my cell phone, MIRACLE!

The funny thing is. This is from an atheist forum. What do you think of this? It's interesting. First link goes to an atheist forum discusssing it. Second link is an actual article with claimed proof of Moses parting the waters at the Red Sea.

Bible's Red Sea Miracle Is Real?

The Red Sea Crossing

Blazerdt47

they didn't prove anything they only said it was possible that at the time the water level was lower meaning when a wind came by it could expose the coral to walk onlamprey263

So let me get this straight:

This is proof that the Red Sea Miracle happened despite it being a scientific discovery, but other scientific discoveries aren't proof of something, like evolution?

That doesn't even say it happened. It mentioned the possibility of it but that doesn't mean God had anything to do with it.

If we're going to start saying that possibility is enough to justify the existence of God, then I'd say its entirely within the realms of possibility that they simply happened upon the "miracle" by complete chance while fleeing and that God didn't have **** to do with it.

So let me get this straight:

This is proof that the Red Sea Miracle happened despite it being a scientific discovery, but other scientific discoveries aren't proof of something, like evolution?

That doesn't even say it happened. It mentioned the possibility of it but that doesn't mean God had anything to do with it.

If we're going to start saying that possibility is enough to justify the existence of God, then I'd say its entirely within the realms of possibility that they simply happened upon the "miracle" by complete chance while fleeing and that God didn't have **** to do with it.

-TheSecondSign-

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]they didn't prove anything they only said it was possible that at the time the water level was lower meaning when a wind came by it could expose the coral to walk onNibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]they didn't prove anything they only said it was possible that at the time the water level was lower meaning when a wind came by it could expose the coral to walk onlamprey263

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

Only my link is from people who are trying to determine facts objectively, and not people who set out with the express purpose of proving the Bible right.

theone86

Ad homenim is legitimate if it pertains to a person's methodology, in this case it does affect methodology because instead of starting out with the goal of determining the truth regardless of bias, these people are starting out with the goal of proving their original conclusion. As for discounting the actual evidence, that's a mountain of text, I don't have time to sift through that right now, maybe after finals but for now someone else can handle it. And yes, I realize that my link is to a two-hour video, I don't expect everyone to drop what they're doing and watch it either.

So, basically you're link is more legitimate than mine for no other reason than "because you say so"......?

Why would a religious person want to prove miracles scientifically? Once you establish that something is scientifically possible you take God out of the equation.

Why would a religious person want to prove miracles scientifically? Once you establish that something is scientifically possible you take God out of the equation.

worlock77

I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I'm thinking, so I'll just say that God created nature, so why wouldn't he manipulate it at times to do His will? (Hopefully that made sense).

In any event, scientifically proving that something CAN happen, doesn't mean that it DID happen as people believe or is written in scripture, etc.

At certain times of the year, the red sea is crossable because of the tide at times water levels are only at waist height right the way across. I heard this from a local there, i thought it was interesting.

I understand what you're saying.

I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I'm thinking, so I'll just say that God created nature, so why wouldn't he manipulate it at times to do His will? (Hopefully that made sense).

In any event, scientifically proving that something CAN happen, doesn't mean that it DID happen as people believe or is written in scripture, etc.YellowOneKinobi

Assuming that the Biblical story were a true account of the events surrounding those incidents, not everything is being explained by science in any case. How would Mosheh and Aharon have known the precise timing of events to have used them to their advantage? How would they have known the sequence of events from the activity ofa volcano hundreds of miles away in delivering what would have looked to the Egyptians and Israelites like plagues, including their precise arrival.

There isn't a concrete prohibition in just about any relgion that believes in an omnipotent God to believing that he is able to act within the natural framework that he would have, in the larger hypothetical scenario, created. It's no worse in this case to believe that God parted the Red Sea through a strong wind than it is to believe he created a variety in living things on the Earth through the process of evolution, which is precisely what many people believe about the creation account.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Why would a religious person want to prove miracles scientifically? Once you establish that something is scientifically possible you take God out of the equation.

YellowOneKinobi

I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I'm thinking, so I'll just say that God created nature, so why wouldn't he manipulate it at times to do His will? (Hopefully that made sense).

In any event, scientifically proving that something CAN happen, doesn't mean that it DID happen as people believe or is written in scripture, etc.

so basically relogious people are trying to turn scientifically explained events into miracles by saying god created nature and so normal events are miracles ? seriously is time religions stop fighting a losing battle and just dissapear.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Why would a religious person want to prove miracles scientifically? Once you establish that something is scientifically possible you take God out of the equation.

Krelian-co

I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I'm thinking, so I'll just say that God created nature, so why wouldn't he manipulate it at times to do His will? (Hopefully that made sense).

In any event, scientifically proving that something CAN happen, doesn't mean that it DID happen as people believe or is written in scripture, etc.

so basically relogious people are trying to turn scientifically explained events into miracles by saying god created nature and so normal events are miracles ? seriously is time religions stop fighting a losing battle and just dissapear.

I think m0zart explained it fairly well in his post so I'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Why would a religious person want to prove miracles scientifically? Once you establish that something is scientifically possible you take God out of the equation.

Krelian-co

I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I'm thinking, so I'll just say that God created nature, so why wouldn't he manipulate it at times to do His will? (Hopefully that made sense).

In any event, scientifically proving that something CAN happen, doesn't mean that it DID happen as people believe or is written in scripture, etc.

so basically relogious people are trying to turn scientifically explained events into miracles by saying god created nature and so normal events are miracles ? seriously is time religions stop fighting a losing battle and just dissapear.

I love watching these debates, and then hearing people laugh at the ancient astronaut hypothesis.. considering that it can explain almost everything that we debate about. Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

I love watching these debates, and then hearing people laugh at the ancient astronaut hypothesis.. considering that it can explain almost everything that we debate about.hartsickdiscipl

Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

hartsickdiscipl

I love watching these debates, and then hearing people laugh at the ancient astronaut hypothesis.. considering that it can explain almost everything that we debate about. Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

hartsickdiscipl

I can develop a hypothesis that explains everything too. Doesn't mean it has a shread of truth however.

...Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

hartsickdiscipl

That evidence is probably as reliable as a Nostradamus prediction.

[spoiler] Nostradamus was about as accurate as a blind person trying to shoot a gun. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

...Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

SirWander

That evidence is probably as reliable as a Nostradamus prediction.

hah every time i see a Nostradamus show on TV I watch it for a good chuckle. "This page in his book has a castle on fire. He predicted 9/11! OMG!"

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] wis3boi

so basically relogious people are trying to turn scientifically explained events into miracles by saying god created nature and so normal events are miracles ? seriously is time religions stop fighting a losing battle and just dissapear.

Then, after certain events are proven by science to be "possible," the same people say that science can recreate some of them, so THAT makes religion nonsense.

I remember hearing people talk in the past about how certain stories from the bible were "impossible" so religion is nonsense.

Then, after certain events are proven by science to be "possible," the same people say that science can reacreate some of them, so THAT makes religion nonsense.

YellowOneKinobi

Now, what may be suggested is that it is theoretically possible (though not proven, or even mentioned as likely) a path existed through the Red Sea given certain conditions that if Moses and the Israelites indeed crossed the sea, they could have exploited. But this proves nothing of the sort claimed earlier.

IF Moses and the Israelites truly did exploit a natural phenomenom through the Red Sea, then Moses didn't perform any miracle. There's no supernatural significance to the event whatsoever.

So trying to use a rational, scientifically verifiable event to explain what is supposed to be significant because it is naturally impossible robs the action of any of its cachet in proving the religion.

I love watching these debates, and then hearing people laugh at the ancient astronaut hypothesis.. considering that it can explain almost everything that we debate about. Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

hartsickdiscipl

This book, written by 1 man, holds zero significant factual value. As such it should be treated as much as historical evidence as the bible, or other holy texts, if not even lesser so. Having one man picking and choosing translations to fit his intended meaning, is not "translating."

He's simply creating a story from what he think's it COULD mean, rather than what it probably does mean.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] I understand what you're saying.

I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I'm thinking, so I'll just say that God created nature, so why wouldn't he manipulate it at times to do His will? (Hopefully that made sense).

In any event, scientifically proving that something CAN happen, doesn't mean that it DID happen as people believe or is written in scripture, etc.

wis3boi

so basically relogious people are trying to turn scientifically explained events into miracles by saying god created nature and so normal events are miracles ? seriously is time religions stop fighting a losing battle and just dissapear.

The funny thing is. This is from an atheist forum. What do you think of this? It's interesting. First link goes to an atheist forum discusssing it. Second link is an actual article with claimed proof of Moses parting the waters at the Red Sea.

Bible's Red Sea Miracle Is Real?

The Red Sea Crossing

Blazerdt47

I love Christianity inspite of their insanity, its practioners are way more civilized. But I am going to call this BS.

I love watching these debates, and then hearing people laugh at the ancient astronaut hypothesis.. considering that it can explain almost everything that we debate about. Not to mention that there is plenty of physical evidence to back up some of the stories told in translated ancient Sumerian and Indian texts, some of which detail the use of nuclear weapons.

hartsickdiscipl

you are like a greek and their mithology, lets believe in some nonexistant gods because it explains everything!

I think a religious person might say that the fact that any of this is even here (Earth, stars, people, etc) is in itself a miracle.

I think m0zart explained it fairly well in his post so I'll leave it at that.

YellowOneKinobi

no, no,no dont come at me with god created nature everything is a miracle, by definition a miracle is something unnatural that cant normally happen, nature is amazing and overwhellming yes, but not a miracle, show me miracles any one of those in the bible and ill believe, but guess what since science came none has happened, weird since the bible has so many, i guess it was easier to impress ignorant masses back in BC