Proper way to legally refuse unconstitutional checkpoints

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#1 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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This is a brilliant video. It's hilarious the expression on these people's faces when they know the guy knows they have no authority.

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#2 Chow_Mein_Kampf
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Nevermind................

People should know their rights..............

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#3 Rhazakna
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Great stuff. F*ck those authoritarian plebs.
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#4 Sajo7
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Sooooo, drive the border patrol insane? :P
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#5 SaintLeonidas
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Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.
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#6 hartsickdiscipl
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Very good.  Those checkpoints have no place in America.  

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#7 chessmaster1989
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Sooooo, drive the border patrol insane? :PSajo7
Yeah pretty much :P
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Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.SaintLeonidas

 

Why?

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Sooooo, drive the border patrol insane? :PSajo7
Well technically these guys aren't border patrol but I'd definitely consider trolling them. :P

"Am I being detained" is like the most basic and important legal question you should ask any authority figure. If they say no you can just walk away and tell them not to waste your time.

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#10 Sajo7
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Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.SaintLeonidas
For sure, I try to look past it since this sort of stuff irritates me more. They all sounded like white men though, I'd be curious how this would go down if the driver fit the border cops profile for an illegal immigrant.
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Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.SaintLeonidas
I agree with you like the one where the dude tried to outsmart a cop over open carry but in this case it's hilarious.

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#12 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Sooooo, drive the border patrol insane? :PAljosa23

Well technically these guys aren't border patrol but I'd definitely consider trolling them. :P

"Am I being detained" is like the most basic and important legal question you should ask any authority figure. If they say no you can just walk away and tell them not to waste your time.

Yeah it was telling no one wanted to answer that question.
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.hartsickdiscipl

 

Why?

Pompousness is never flattering no matter what the cause.
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#14 leviathan91
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It makes my day when authoritarians are taken up a notch.

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#16 Fightingfan
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I always wondered how search dogs at those checkpoints are legal.
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#17 Rhazakna
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.SaintLeonidas

 

Why?

Pompousness is never flattering no matter what the cause.

They were just asking basic legal questions regarding their rights.
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#18 Sajo7
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If you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't cause problems.

The end.

InEMplease
The checkpoints caused the problem.
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#19 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Why?

Rhazakna
Pompousness is never flattering no matter what the cause.

They were just asking basic legal questions regarding their rights.

If I had to guess he might have been referring to some of the silly speeches a few of the examples gave.
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#20 ScreamDream
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Seen a bunch of these, I'm prepared.

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#22 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Would be far more effective if that dude didnt have a whiny voice.  Had he a little more base in that voice, the border patrol would have been impressed and said, "on your way son".

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.SaintLeonidas

 

Why?

Pompousness is never flattering no matter what the cause.

 

I didn't see anyone being pompous.  Even if you think that some of the drivers are, that's a very small issue in comparison to the bigger one that this video highlights.  Get over it and respect what their actions stand for. 

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

If you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't cause problems.

The end.

InEMplease

The checkpoints caused the problem.

Of course

The same way a firewall would cause a problem.

Heuristscs.

Waste of time.

 

If they want a "firewall," it shouldn't be 50 or 100 miles inside the US.  If immigration stopped me and asked me any questions, I'd ask them "Am I immigrating somewhere?"

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#26 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

Of course

The same way a firewall would cause a problem.

Heuristscs.

Waste of time.

InEMplease

 

If they want a "firewall," it shouldn't be 50 or 100 miles inside the US.  If immigration stopped me and asked me any questions, I'd ask them "Am I immigrating somewhere?"

Would you waste time?

 

I don't see it as a waste.  They have no right to set up checkpoints like these.  If everyone just laid down like you suggest, we'd be in really bad shape.  I think we already are, but it would be even worse.  The fact is that a border patrol agent or cop who would participate in these "checkpoints" is a criminal, not the person in the car.  

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Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.SaintLeonidas
this pretty much sums up my feeling on this. The reason I get annoyed is that the people doing this are clearly doing so just for video purposes as opposed to literally any other reason.
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#29 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Why?

hartsickdiscipl

Pompousness is never flattering no matter what the cause.

Get over it and respect what their actions stand for. 

 

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Every time I watch these videos I feel the same...I sort of admire what they are trying to do, but still find the makers of the videos to be unbearably annoying.Serraph105
this pretty much sums up my feeling on this. The reason I get annoyed is that the people doing this are clearly doing so just for video purposes as opposed to literally any other reason.

 

This is where you are wrong.  They are taking the videos so they can show people how to respond to these situations.  They are also doing it because it's the right thing to do if you care about your constitutional rights and don't want to live in a police state.  

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#31 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Pompousness is never flattering no matter what the cause.SaintLeonidas

Get over it and respect what their actions stand for. 

 

go-****-yourself-Favim.com-232185.gif.

 

I see I hit a nerve.  Like most mindless, soulless minions of society, you turn to memes and catchy .gifs to try to regain some sort of footing when you have no point to make.  

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#32 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

Would you waste time?

InEMplease

 

I don't see it as a waste.  They have no right to set up checkpoints like these.  If everyone just laid down like you suggest, we'd be in really bad shape.  I think we already are, but it would be even worse.  The fact is that a border patrol agent or cop who would participate in these "checkpoints" is a criminal, not the person in the car.  

I belive they have the authority to create checkpoints.  Now....

I never suggested everyone lay down.

You prove those who have been appointed to protect us are criminals.

After, tell me why anyone would have any reason to attempt to hide anything.

 

You forgot the part about how our tax dollars pay for them to do this garbage.  You also seem to have forgotten the part about how police need probable cause to detain specific persons for a reason.  This is the equivalent of declaring martial law on the highway for an extended period of time because you know that "some people smuggle drugs or illegal immigrants in this general area."  Obviously that's not legit.  

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#36 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

I belive they have the authority to create checkpoints.  Now....

I never suggested everyone lay down.

You prove those who have been appointed to protect us are criminals.

After, tell me why anyone would have any reason to attempt to hide anything.

InEMplease

 

You forgot the part about how our tax dollars pay for them to do this garbage.

If one were so cynical...

 

What is the US Constitution in place for?

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#38 DroidPhysX
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harts is correct
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#39 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

If one were so cynical...

InEMplease

 

What is the US Constitution in place for?

Read it.

 

 

You can read something without getting the message behind it, as is evidenced by the tenor of your posts.  

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#41 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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harts is correctDroidPhysX
Isnt that an oxymoron?
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#43 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]harts is correctsonicare
Isnt that an oxymoron?

Yes, but somehow I have to concur. Weird.
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#44 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

Read it.

InEMplease

 

 

You can read something without getting the message behind it, as is evidenced by the tenor of your posts.  

Never read the constitution, never claimed to.  Everything I have said is in text.

 

Ok.  Well, go read it.  Take a look at the Federalist Papers too.  

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#46 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

Never read the constitution, never claimed to.  Everything I have said is in text.

InEMplease

 

Ok.  Well, go read it and take a look at the Federalist Papers too.  

No thank you.

 

Your choice.  If you don't, you really have no right to have this debate.  

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#47 dave123321
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]harts is correctInEMplease

In what way?

His whole general argument and point.
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#50 Laihendi
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If you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't cause problems.

The end.

InEMplease
The police are causing problems by trying to make unconstitutional searches.