Proper way to legally refuse unconstitutional checkpoints

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

If you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't cause problems.

The end.

InEMplease

Unconstitiutional.

I'm sure everyone agrees "F*ck that piece of paper"

You do what you f*ckin have to

Man.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

Unconstitiutional.

I'm sure everyone agrees "F*ck that piece of paper"

You do what you f*ckin have to

Man.

InEMplease

The better question is where are you coming from, or where are you going.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

The better question is where are you coming from, or where are you going.

InEMplease

False.

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens?  Surely you jest.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

False.

InEMplease

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens?  Surely you jest.  

Surely, sir, I do not.  I would sacrifice that amount of pirvacy for that amount of security.  I may hate myself, but we will cross that bridge when we arrive upon it.

It's odd to find myself nodding in agreement with the libertarians in this thread.  Seriously though, there are definitely times where the police force and government overstep their authority, and this is one of them.

I get why people do that but, something has simple question just answer... IF it goes any farther thats when you take actions and basicly tell them no.

I been through handful of dui check points on friday/saterday nights.  EVERYTIME   "hey (some question slash joke) ok cya " YES due/border check point not same but they sorta are

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

False.

InEMplease

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens?  Surely you jest.  

Surely, sir, I do not.  I would sacrifice that amount of pirvacy for that amount of security.  I may hate myself, but we will cross that bridge when we arrive upon it.

The dude is annoying but he has balls that's for sure.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Sooooo, drive the border patrol insane? :PAljosa23

While I support telling the cops to "F*ck off," I don't actually recommend doing it. Your rights protect you so long as you are dealing with honest police.

I actually love these videos.

No better way of showing that we do not live in a police state.

if you're a person of color this is horrible way to behave with cops, probably gonna get you killedlamprey263

Nah, I doubt that. This video was based on a stops without probable cause. If you acted this way when a cop had probable cause to pull you over, then it'd be bad idea.

I had no idea things were this bad in the U.S.

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]if you're a person of color this is horrible way to behave with cops, probably gonna get you killedairshocker

Nah, I doubt that. This video was based on a stops without probable cause. If you acted this way when a cop had probable cause to pull you over, then it'd be bad idea.

I had no idea things were this bad in the U.S.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I had no idea things were this bad in the U.S.

junglist101

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens? Surely you jest.

hartsickdiscipl

i have refused the police the right to search my car almost every single time i have been pulled over.

not one time have they not backed down and let me go on my way.

just be polite but firm and you win.

once you consent to a search they are not libel for any damage they do to your property and i don't trust people enough to let them go rooting around in my property unsupervised  for their entertainment.

Hm...I don't know much about US law, but if he's adamantly refusing to answer even their most basic questions and acting completely evasive, wouldn't that give them probable cause to validly search his vehicle? [QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens? Surely you jest.

Planeforger

any info handed over freely can lead to probable cause.

that is why you refuse to answer any questions unless you are being detained and once you are detained you can refuse to answer questions and call a lawyer.

if it ever goes to court and you never answered anything you never gave them probable cause to arrest you in the 1st place.

the moment you start to answer questions is the moment you begin to lose your rights and that is why people are so adamant about saying "am  i free to go or am i being detained?"

you are either free to go at that point or you are detained and under a specific set of protections for people getting arrested.

The one at the end was priceless.

Officer: Hello.

Dude in car: Are you a US citizen? Can I see your ID?

Also what is the point of the K9 units? Can they sniff out non americans? What a joke ahahha

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]if you're a person of color this is horrible way to behave with cops, probably gonna get you killedairshocker

Nah, I doubt that. This video was based on a stops without probable cause. If you acted this way when a cop had probable cause to pull you over, then it'd be bad idea.

It's odd to find myself nodding in agreement with the libertarians in this thread.  Seriously though, there are definitely times where the police force and government overstep their authority, and this is one of them.

TacticalDesire

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]if you're a person of color this is horrible way to behave with cops, probably gonna get you killedjunglist101

Nah, I doubt that. This video was based on a stops without probable cause. If you acted this way when a cop had probable cause to pull you over, then it'd be bad idea.

Hm...I don't know much about US law, but if he's adamantly refusing to answer even their most basic questions and acting completely evasive, wouldn't that give them probable cause to validly search his vehicle? [QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens? Surely you jest.

Planeforger

The problem people have issue with this is that they are doing it inside U.S 100 miles away from the border 

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]if you're a person of color this is horrible way to behave with cops, probably gonna get you killedNuck81

Nah, I doubt that. This video was based on a stops without probable cause. If you acted this way when a cop had probable cause to pull you over, then it'd be bad idea.

If you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't cause problems.

The end.

InEMplease

So being a person of color is enough of a reason for a cop to have probable cause to pull your over? RacistNuck81

Not what I said at all. Nice try, though.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

False.

InEMplease

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens?  Surely you jest.  

Surely, sir, I do not.  I would sacrifice that amount of pirvacy for that amount of security.  I may hate myself, but we will cross that bridge when we arrive upon it.

What a fool.  You must be trolling.  

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I had no idea things were this bad in the U.S.

MrGeezer

Running a checkpoint of every car going through a certain area and attempting to force people to answer questions is a violation of citizen's rights in and of itself.  Not one of those people had given the police probable cause to stop them.  What is happening is essentially martial law on the highway.  The checkpoint itself is unconstitutional, even if the officials there are only asking questions.  A citizen is not obligated to answer questions about their citizenship unless there was probable cause to stop them in the first place.  Stopping people en masse like this is an attempt to circumvent having to do real police/border patrol work, and the 4th Amendment rights of every person who happens to be driving down that road.  

The last line in your post is an example of some really faulty logic.  It's basically like me saying- "The Cardinal can molest little boys, because the Pope told him to do it, and the Pope decides what's right and wrong."  Of course what he was doing, and what he was told to do are wrong.  Of course what they are doing by stopping everyone without probable cause is a violation of their constitutional rights.  It doesn't matter if they were ordered to do it or not.  

Hm...I don't know much about US law, but if he's adamantly refusing to answer even their most basic questions and acting completely evasive, wouldn't that give them probable cause to validly search his vehicle? [QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

So you're an American, but you think the police have the right to just stop private citizens en masse at checkpoints, demanding to know if they're citizens? Surely you jest.

Planeforger

You don't have probable cause to search someone's car because they refuse to answer your questions.  You need probable cause to even start asking the questions in the first place.  That's the part you are missing.  That's why the whole checkpoint concept is unconstitutional, and nobody needs to cooperate with it.  It's a joke.  

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Get over it and respect what their actions stand for. 

hartsickdiscipl

I see I hit a nerve.  Like most mindless, soulless minions of society, you turn to memes and catchy .gifs to try to regain some sort of footing when you have no point to make.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

 

SaintLeonidas

I see I hit a nerve.  Like most mindless, soulless minions of society, you turn to memes and catchy .gifs to try to regain some sort of footing when you have no point to make.  

They're not "workers just doing their jobs."  They're government officials who are actively infringing on the rights of citizens without probable cause.  That's really bad.  We should get angry about it.  

 

Running a checkpoint of every car going through a certain area and attempting to force people to answer questions is a violation of citizen's rights in and of itself.  Not one of those people had given the police probable cause to stop them.  What is happening is essentially martial law on the highway.  The checkpoint itself is unconstitutional, even if the officials there are only asking questions.  A citizen is not obligated to answer questions about their citizenship unless there was probable cause to stop them in the first place.  Stopping people en masse like this is an attempt to circumvent having to do real police/border patrol work, and the 4th Amendment rights of every person who happens to be driving down that road.  

The last line in your post is an example of some really faulty logic.  It's basically like me saying- "The Cardinal can molest little boys, because the Pope told him to do it, and the Pope decides what's right and wrong."  Of course what he was doing, and what he was told to do are wrong.  Of course what they are doing by stopping everyone without probable cause is a violation of their constitutional rights.  It doesn't matter if they were ordered to do it or not.  

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Running a checkpoint of every car going through a certain area and attempting to force people to answer questions is a violation of citizen's rights in and of itself.  Not one of those people had given the police probable cause to stop them.  What is happening is essentially martial law on the highway.  The checkpoint itself is unconstitutional, even if the officials there are only asking questions.  A citizen is not obligated to answer questions about their citizenship unless there was probable cause to stop them in the first place.  Stopping people en masse like this is an attempt to circumvent having to do real police/border patrol work, and the 4th Amendment rights of every person who happens to be driving down that road.  

The last line in your post is an example of some really faulty logic.  It's basically like me saying- "The Cardinal can molest little boys, because the Pope told him to do it, and the Pope decides what's right and wrong."  Of course what he was doing, and what he was told to do are wrong.  Of course what they are doing by stopping everyone without probable cause is a violation of their constitutional rights.  It doesn't matter if they were ordered to do it or not.  

MrGeezer

I'm not here to debate Supreme Court rulings.  We are talking about common sense here.  What does probable cause mean to you?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Running a checkpoint of every car going through a certain area and attempting to force people to answer questions is a violation of citizen's rights in and of itself.  Not one of those people had given the police probable cause to stop them.  What is happening is essentially martial law on the highway.  The checkpoint itself is unconstitutional, even if the officials there are only asking questions.  A citizen is not obligated to answer questions about their citizenship unless there was probable cause to stop them in the first place.  Stopping people en masse like this is an attempt to circumvent having to do real police/border patrol work, and the 4th Amendment rights of every person who happens to be driving down that road.  

The last line in your post is an example of some really faulty logic.  It's basically like me saying- "The Cardinal can molest little boys, because the Pope told him to do it, and the Pope decides what's right and wrong."  Of course what he was doing, and what he was told to do are wrong.  Of course what they are doing by stopping everyone without probable cause is a violation of their constitutional rights.  It doesn't matter if they were ordered to do it or not.  

MrGeezer

 

I'm not here to debate Supreme Court rulings.  We are talking about common sense here.  What does probable cause mean to you?

hartsickdiscipl

They're not "workers just doing their jobs."  They're government officials who are actively infringing on the rights of citizens without probable cause.  That's really bad.  We should get angry about it.  

hartsickdiscipl

There should be more of an emphasis on teaching someone their rights and basic legal concepts.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

They're not "workers just doing their jobs."  They're government officials who are actively infringing on the rights of citizens without probable cause.  That's really bad.  We should get angry about it.  

Aljosa23

There should be more of an emphasis on teaching someone their rights and basic legal concepts.

yup

whenever they ask politely (as opposed to order) or say "I want you to...", it is generally not required.

Its once you pull over that they have authority.

My god, those Gestapo are aggressive