Punk. Dead or Alive?

It's pretty much dead in the form it started out in. But that's really to be expected because classic punk is not a very versatile genre. But mostly it got mixed up with all kinds of different genres and it lives on in that form if you ask me. Stuff like ska punk, ethnic music mixed with punk, pop punk and all the -core stuff.

The actual punk mentality has really spread out through basically the entire underground music scene, everything from metal to electronica and everything in between.

It's pretty much dead in the form it started out in. But that's really to be expected because classic punk is not a very versatile genre. But mostly it got mixed up with all kinds of different genres and it lives on in that form if you ask me. Stuff like ska punk, ethnic music mixed with punk, pop punk and all the -core stuff.

The actual punk mentality has really spread out through basically the entire underground music scene, everything from metal to electronica and everything in between.

chaplainDMK

Well yes that's true - punk of old was essentially 3-chord rock, which in itself was regressive and therefore pretty much DOA ('scuse the pun).

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

It's pretty much dead in the form it started out in. But that's really to be expected because classic punk is not a very versatile genre. But mostly it got mixed up with all kinds of different genres and it lives on in that form if you ask me. Stuff like ska punk, ethnic music mixed with punk, pop punk and all the -core stuff.

The actual punk mentality has really spread out through basically the entire underground music scene, everything from metal to electronica and everything in between.

poptart

Well yes that's true - punk of old was essentially 3-chord rock, which in itself was regressive and therefore pretty much DOA ('scuse the pun).

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

It's pretty much dead in the form it started out in. But that's really to be expected because classic punk is not a very versatile genre. But mostly it got mixed up with all kinds of different genres and it lives on in that form if you ask me. Stuff like ska punk, ethnic music mixed with punk, pop punk and all the -core stuff.

The actual punk mentality has really spread out through basically the entire underground music scene, everything from metal to electronica and everything in between.

chaplainDMK

Well yes that's true - punk of old was essentially 3-chord rock, which in itself was regressive and therefore pretty much DOA ('scuse the pun).

Well there is a little slower punk - hardcore it aint though :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Q_aHDV-vw

Proper slow

Although that depends on whether you'd class early Adam Ant as a punk (he was part of the kings road set alongside Siouxsie Sioux and the sex pistols)

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

 

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

 

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

Shmiity

Post Punk was far more interesting I agree, although I reckon it probably needed the punk scene to exist in order counter (although punk motifs are threaded throughout most of the post punk sub-genres). But yes, far more interesting for sure. I do like punk that preceded it though - I'm too young to appreciate the cycnicism that surrounded it at the time so I see it as an interesting little occurence. Regressive musically perhaps, but revolutionary in others...

hipsters killed it

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

 

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

 

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

Shmiity

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

 

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

 

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

 

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

 

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

LJS9502_basic

I couldn't have said it better LJ......... no actually I did haha (I kid). The clash were a little anomaly in the context of punk I guess - they kind of weaved in and out of what people regard as punk, but yes you're right - great band regardless of genre. Best UK band ever? Some people regard as at least...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

 

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

 

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

poptart

I couldn't have said it better LJ......... no actually I did haha (I kid). The clash were a little anomaly in the context of punk I guess - they kind of weaved in and out of what people regard as punk, but yes you're right - great band regardless of genre. Best UK band ever? Some people regard as at least...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Very mixed opinion on punk. I really like what came out of the late 70's punk movement ---> Post-punk/new wave.

 

I hate pop/punk/skater/whatever you want to call it. I hate Green Day, I hate Paramore, Blink 182, Yellowcard... the list goes on. That sort of punk, I hate.

 

I like some of the 70's things. Joy Division, Clash, ect. But everything else I hate.

mattykovax

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Love post punk.......and we have punk to thank for that. But punk was okay as a music genre. The Clash was a great punk band....plus the genre revitalized music.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattykovax"] Yeah I like post punk dome too.:mattykovax

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's my favorite sub genre.....some of the revival is good....just not as good as the original.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattykovax"] It was a good time for music.BossPerson

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's my favorite sub genre.....some of the revival is good....just not as good as the original.LJS9502_basic

Certainly - the emergence of keyboards helped instil creativity for sure. You should check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Wjc6QYuKI if you haven't seen it already. Sure it's Brit-centric but a great little indulgence into synth post-punk anyway. Worth watching :)

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yeah. I think the best really. mattykovax

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]LJ knows his musicBossPerson

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mattykovax"] It was a good time for music.poptart

Certainly - the emergence of keyboards helped instil creativity for sure. You should check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Wjc6QYuKI if you haven't seen it already. Sure it's Brit-centric but a great little indulgence into synth post-punk anyway. Worth watching :)

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]LJ knows his musicBossPerson

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]i looked them up after i saw his sig, i couldnt listen to more than 10 secondsBossPerson

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yeah. I think the best really. LJS9502_basic

Certainly - the emergence of keyboards helped instil creativity for sure. You should check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Wjc6QYuKI if you haven't seen it already. Sure it's Brit-centric but a great little indulgence into synth post-punk anyway. Worth watching :)

Haha of course I know - just had to point out that it's all caberet volitaire rather then black flag. Seriously worth a watch - interesting BBC 4 on the emergence of  the synth and late 70s

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="poptart"]

Certainly - the emergence of keyboards helped instil creativity for sure. You should check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Wjc6QYuKI if you haven't seen it already. Sure it's Brit-centric but a great little indulgence into synth post-punk anyway. Worth watching :)

poptart

Haha of course I know - just had to point out that it's all caberet volitaire rather then black flag. Seriously worth a watch - interesting BBC 4 on the emergence of  the synth and late 70s

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Will watch when I have the time.......er you know I like British music right?LJS9502_basic

Haha of course I know - just had to point out that it's all caberet volitaire rather then black flag. Seriously worth a watch - interesting BBC 4 on the emergence of  the synth and late 70s

I don't doubt...................... :)

Just pointing out re: doc/etc...

 

When I was a kid, punk was just the sex pistols doing everything society riled against and sang some jolly rude words. Then I heard the likes of black flag, 7 seconds, the stupids, etc and heard it was very much still going, albeit with a different asthetic.

 

Difficult to pin down what punk is - in the UK the Pistols were defined more by imagery and shock, whereas their north london counterparts (e.g the clash) were politicised. Disenfranchised youth led to an association to the emergence of UK dub at the time. Traditional hardore, oi or older school punk generes are just out of the limelight at present, no doubt to return in a new outfit sometime in the future. The likes of the prodigy could be considered as punk at points during there history; grunge had a distinct DIY sound which could be considered a punk motif. I guess without trying to sound like some kind of anus, the 'spirit of punk' is alive depending on where you look for it

 

*ramble over*

poptart

While I am too young for proper punk (I'm 32) I live in the UK and this is 100% the UK point of view. Too add my 2 pence though.. Alot of these bands that are around now that claim to be punk are too clean and from Upper working or middle class backgrounds that could afford their instruments bought for them and had music lessons from whatever age and act with "teen angst" and are styled by Music execs. Bandmembers of the clash and the Pistols came from an era where they were working class and literally had f*all with no prospects, their sound and lyrics came from self taught instruments and lyric writing and were not classically trained nor had lessons other than learning them from friends.

True punk died with Johnny Rotten! Seriously though the clash quickly adopted the Ska sound in to their music but still had that punk edge even though their sound had changed/evolved. I say true punk is dead and died quickly in the early eighties. Punk Music for me was not simply a musical style or genre it was also a shortlived political and socioeconimical movement. Modern "punk" bands merely copy the sound. 

On the subject of the Cure I just have to say Lullaby is in my top 10 of all time personal favourites - A Forest, Lovecats and Boys don't cry in my 100.

On the subject of the Cure I just have to say Lullaby is in my top 10 of all time personal favourites - A Forest, Lovecats and Boys don't cry in my 100.

PresidentLogan

[QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

On the subject of the Cure I just have to say Lullaby is in my top 10 of all time personal favourites - A Forest, Lovecats and Boys don't cry in my 100.

mattykovax

[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="PresidentLogan"]

On the subject of the Cure I just have to say Lullaby is in my top 10 of all time personal favourites - A Forest, Lovecats and Boys don't cry in my 100.

LJS9502_basic