Pure Rap vs Hip-Hop?

Do you think you can show differences between songs/artists you would describe as "hip-hop" to ones that belong in "rap"?

For example, Gang-Starr is definitely more of a hip-hop sound than, say, a wonderful group called Goodie Mob, And the song "Goodie Bag". Listen to "Full Clip" by Gang-Starr and see if you can feel the hip-hop of that song vs the rap of Goodie Mob's song. Also, of course, there is the baddest song on Earth called "Ready to Die" by Biggie Smalls which is all rap.

Do you agree? Difference between rap and hip-hop? edit: please provide examples in your personal collection.

http://youtu.be/tHxmBXaWdbE Goodie Mob

http://youtu.be/p5vuTToYN8M Gang-Starr

http://youtu.be/yjYDZMRTt8U Ready to Die

I like both, I lean more on the hip-hop side I guess. Though lately i've been obsessed with lil b lol.

I like both, I lean more on the hip-hop side I guess. Though lately i've been obsessed with lil b lol.

Jolt_counter119

I am obsessed with Goodie Mob right now.

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What we call hip-hop now is straight homo-sh*t.

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

XaosII

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

XaosII

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

XaosII

One blows, the other sucks.

Where is Bucked when you need him? :?

Well hip hop is like a cool version of pop, where every acts tough instead of acting like a p*ssy.

Rap is basically the art of spittin' rhymes with a sick flow. There are rules to rap music, you have to do certain things to accomplish, "rapping".

What makes it so hard to determine the difference, is not all songs are technically one or the other. Songs tend to have aspects of both genres.

For example a chorus is something a hip hop song would have, a freestyle is something a rap song would have.

Hip Hop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdizL4on-Rc LL Cool J - Going back to Cali

Rap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmHziduwBgI Busta Rhymes - Fire it up (The song starts at 1:10ish, the intro is long)

Rap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfV602zA-Pg Knuckleheadz - Raekwon.

Rap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOt__4BHBPY Cappadonna - The Pillage (The last verse of this song is a freestyle)

Freestyle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b4UcYJ0oEM&list=FLo_Moi4hCouHmrEH-ex8hnQ&index=255&feature=plpp_video

Some artists and groups even do both, but most artists strictly do hip hop.

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

XaosII

[QUOTE="XaosII"]There is none.

Aljosa23

And Lil' Wayne is neither. He is just lil' Wayne.lo_Pine

One blows, the other sucks.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

cfstar

LL Cool J aka Ladies Love Cool James.

That guy was the example of what a ladies man rapper should of been like. He was mainstream but you can't deny that he was a decent rapper. Dude hasn't been relevant for years though.

The difference is that Rap is more hardcore, Hip Hop has grove to it. Also Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you LIVE, the living of Hip Hop produces Rap (KRS-One quote)

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

lo_Pine

Uneducated? Because I don't feel the need to arbitrarily split a genre into two? lolok

LL Cool J aka Ladies Love Cool James.

That guy was the example of what a ladies man rapper should of been like. He was mainstream but you can't deny that he was a decent rapper. Dude hasn't been relevant for years though.

The difference is that Rap is more hardcore, Hip Hop has grove to it. Also Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you LIVE, the living of Hip Hop produces Rap (KRS-One quote)

ThisIsTwoFace

Uneducated? Because I don't feel the need to arbitrarily split a genre into two? lolok

Aljosa23

Uneducated because you think they are the same genre. Uneducated because you think two different genres shouldn't be split into two, when they were never one.

Uneducated? Because I don't feel the need to arbitrarily split a genre into two? lolok

Aljosa23

Hip Hop wins out most of the time.

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Some of my favs,

The Pharcyde

The Pharcyde II

A Tribe Called Quest

Black Sheep

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Uneducated? Because I don't feel the need to arbitrarily split a genre into two? lolok

lo_Pine

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Uneducated? Because I don't feel the need to arbitrarily split a genre into two? lolok

Aljosa23

edit: in fact, I'm going to Best Buy right now just to check that out.

Hip Hop wins out most of the time.

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Some of my favs,

The Pharcyde

The Pharcyde II

A Tribe Called Quest

Black Sheep

Namgis

Thinking about it it's hard to say what makes them different, they just are

hip sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUStd3vVCjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQ73RF9p0g

rap sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSQUfTBcOu4

it's mostly the style and topics of the rap that seperates the 2. Hip hop tends to be more chill with lyrics evoking more emotion while rap tends to be harder with lyrics used as bragging rights or dissing.

Most songs can be argued for either side but there are some songs that are hard to call hip hop and others that are hard to call rap.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

lo_Pine

So.... The only difference is entirely based on the content of the lyrics? Theres no difference in melody, harmony, prose, rhythm, timbre, composition, instruments, etc between rap and hip-hop?

That's weird.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="XaosII"] A rapper is still in the mind set that he'll blow your head off, while a 'hip-hopper' has moved passed that, or never even really agreed with it in the first place. Hip-Hop is the soft side of rap. And Lil' Wayne is neither. He is just lil' Wayne.XaosII

So.... The only difference is entirely based on the content of the lyrics? Theres no difference in melody, harmony, prose, rhythm, timbre, composition, instruments, etc between rap and hip-hop?

That's weird.

Thinking about it it's hard to say what makes them different, they just are

hip sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUStd3vVCjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQ73RF9p0g

rap sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSQUfTBcOu4

it's mostly the style and topics of the rap that seperates the 2. Hip hop tends to be more chill with lyrics evoking more emotion while rap tends to be harder with lyrics used as bragging rights or dissing.

Most songs can be argued for either side but there are some songs that are hard to call hip hop and others that are hard to call rap.

Jolt_counter119

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfV602zA-Pg Thats the most chill rap song you'll ever hear.

The speed has nothing to do with the genre.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

So what exactly is the difference between rap and hip-hop?

N30F3N1X

One blows, the other sucks.

Lemme guess, you listen to brostep and electro?

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] A rapper is still in the mind set that he'll blow your head off, while a 'hip-hopper' has moved passed that, or never even really agreed with it in the first place. Hip-Hop is the soft side of rap. And Lil' Wayne is neither. He is just lil' Wayne.CondorCalabasas

So.... The only difference is entirely based on the content of the lyrics? Theres no difference in melody, harmony, prose, rhythm, timbre, composition, instruments, etc between rap and hip-hop?

That's weird.

That's not right at all. At it's core hip hop is the culture, rap is the music, but a lot of rappers are leaving the culture and the music almost has no hip hop style or sound incorporated and they adopt more popy or techno with a lot of bass sounds so usually when a really good rapper with great flow comes on the comments on it's youtube section is "now this is real hip hop" or something. To most, you have it the opposite but in reality, like I said hip hop is the culture, rap is the music, so it's all rap.

Hip Hop, to my understanding, is the umbrella term used to describe the genres of music that branched off from the music that developed in primarily black neighborhoods in the 70s. Thus, I think that everything, from Beastie Boys to Tupac to the sh*t of today, is hip hop.

I see what people are trying to do by differentiating rap from hip hop, but in a pure technical sense, the two terms are interchangeable. I would classify the more "hardcore" gangster rappers that you are talking about as "gangster rap" (NWA, Ice-T, basically anyone under Death Row Records, tentatively would say Biggie as well). The mainstream hip hop of today is basically a fusion of 90s pop and traditional hip hop, as the success of people such as Kanye West showed that one didn't necesarily need a criminal or impoversihed background to make it. I'd call this type of music "hip-pop" (Eminem after MMLP, lil Wayne, etc).

Hip Hop is pop music, it just sounds different.CondorCalabasas

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I disagree with you completely. But that's just me.

Hiplife > both of em.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"] So uneducated.[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]And Lil' Wayne is neither. He is just lil' Wayne.CondorCalabasas

N30F3N1X

People kill me with that wayne is pop crap

f*ck u

Go DJ

Fireman

Stuntin like my daddy

BM Jr

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Thinking about it it's hard to say what makes them different, they just are

hip sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUStd3vVCjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQ73RF9p0g

rap sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSQUfTBcOu4

it's mostly the style and topics of the rap that seperates the 2. Hip hop tends to be more chill with lyrics evoking more emotion while rap tends to be harder with lyrics used as bragging rights or dissing.

Most songs can be argued for either side but there are some songs that are hard to call hip hop and others that are hard to call rap.

CondorCalabasas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfV602zA-Pg Thats the most chill rap song you'll ever hear.

The speed has nothing to do with the genre.

Most would call that hip hop.

Please feel free to tell us what music you listen to, I promise you'll immediately regret telling me.CondorCalabasas

Classical music, mainly piano compositions, OSTs, hardcore techno, heavy, thrash, epic, power and some death metal, rock, progressive rock, hard rock.

You're welcome ;)

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

So.... The only difference is entirely based on the content of the lyrics? Theres no difference in melody, harmony, prose, rhythm, timbre, composition, instruments, etc between rap and hip-hop?

That's weird.

Jolt_counter119

That's not right at all. At it's core hip hop is the culture, rap is the music, but a lot of rappers are leaving the culture and the music almost has no hip hop style or sound incorporated and they adopt more popy or techno with a lot of bass sounds so usually when a really good rapper with great flow comes on the comments on it's youtube section is "now this is real hip hop" or something. To most, you have it the opposite but in reality, like I said hip hop is the culture, rap is the music, so it's all rap.

People kill me with that wayne is pop crap

f*ck u

Go DJ

Fireman

Stuntin like my daddy

BM Jr

Bucked20

In the 80s yes, so unless you have a time machine you are wrong. Hip hop, and rap are two genres of music now. Back in the 80s, it was different. If you are correct about what you've just said, then you'll be able to easily define what is a "hip hop style or sound" like I did. Again, as I said, you are wrong. In the 80s you'd be correct. Hip hop is a genre of music now. Your argument makes almost no sense at all. Hip hop is a culture because rappers have more "popy" or techno sound? Hip hop is a culture because of youtube comments? Like what on earth is going on in that head of yours?CondorCalabasas

:lol: acting like people don't interchange the terms "rap" and "hip hop" and you completely know which is which. You sound like an arragant douche. And I don't care whether I am wrong or not, that is my view on hip hop, and I woulld say your view about hip hop sounding like pop music but different, well try finding someone who agrees with you there, good luck.

Bucked20

Most would call that hip hop.

Jolt_counter119

hardcore techno, heavy, thrash, epic, power and some death metal,N30F3N1X

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]In the 80s yes, so unless you have a time machine you are wrong. Hip hop, and rap are two genres of music now. Back in the 80s, it was different. If you are correct about what you've just said, then you'll be able to easily define what is a "hip hop style or sound" like I did. Again, as I said, you are wrong. In the 80s you'd be correct. Hip hop is a genre of music now. Your argument makes almost no sense at all. Hip hop is a culture because rappers have more "popy" or techno sound? Hip hop is a culture because of youtube comments? Like what on earth is going on in that head of yours?Jolt_counter119

:lol: acting like people don't interchange the terms "rap" and "hip hop" and you completely know which is which. You sound like an arragant douche. And I don't care whether I am wrong or not, that is my view on hip hop, and I woulld say your view about hip hop sounding like pop music but different, well try finding someone who agrees with you there, good luck.

Its not hard to figure out the difference if you rapped before.

You are an arrogant douche, being that you think I'm a douche because you think you are right, when you are wrong. Though since you didn't ask, I'll tell you. I couldn't possibly care less what you think I "sound" like.

You don't care whether you are right or wrong, but you felt the need to call me an arrogant douche because I disagreed. I suppose that would make you an arrogant douche, being that you actually believe you don't care whether or not you are right or wrong (because you do care) makes you arrogant, and you using putdowns makes you a douche.

Where did I say Hip Hop sounds like pop music? You are telling me, you are trying to argue with me about something, and you don't/can't even read? Is this some kind of joke? Please I'd love to see where I apparently said hip hop music sounds like pop music. I tell you what, find where I said that, and I'll tell you, you are right.

I don't post in forums so people can agree with me, is that why you post in forums? So you can feel accepted? I think thats why a majority of you kids post in OT. I post in here to share opinions different than my own. You getting so wildly upset over it, is pathetic. Can't take the heat? Then get out the kitchen.

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

People kill me with that wayne is pop crap

f*ck u

Go DJ

Fireman

Stuntin like my daddy

BM Jr

Aljosa23

Flo rida,black eyed peas and pitbull are the definition of pop rap music,wayne isn't near that Bucked20

So you listen to the standard mainstream pre-teen sh*t, so you aren't in any place to be talking about rap and hip hop anyways. After you graduate from high school, then come talk. You cut yourself to that sh*t?CondorCalabasas

A guy who listens to rap is trying to lecture me about "pre teen sh*t", this is screenshot worthy :lol:

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]So you listen to the standard mainstream pre-teen sh*t, so you aren't in any place to be talking about rap and hip hop anyways. After you graduate from high school, then come talk. You cut yourself to that sh*t?N30F3N1X

A guy who listens to rap is trying to lecture me about "pre teen sh*t", this is screenshot worthy :lol:

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Flo rida,black eyed peas and pitbull are the definition of pop rap music,wayne isn't near that CondorCalabasas

Irony. You have to be twice your age to even be aware of most good hip hop/rap artists. Please take a screen shot, I'll make it my new sig.CondorCalabasas

Twice? Make it four times. Gonna be a long time before I get tired enough of good music to look for "good" hip hop/rap "artists" :lol:

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]In the 80s yes, so unless you have a time machine you are wrong. Hip hop, and rap are two genres of music now. Back in the 80s, it was different. If you are correct about what you've just said, then you'll be able to easily define what is a "hip hop style or sound" like I did. Again, as I said, you are wrong. In the 80s you'd be correct. Hip hop is a genre of music now. Your argument makes almost no sense at all. Hip hop is a culture because rappers have more "popy" or techno sound? Hip hop is a culture because of youtube comments? Like what on earth is going on in that head of yours?CondorCalabasas

:lol: acting like people don't interchange the terms "rap" and "hip hop" and you completely know which is which. You sound like an arragant douche. And I don't care whether I am wrong or not, that is my view on hip hop, and I woulld say your view about hip hop sounding like pop music but different, well try finding someone who agrees with you there, good luck.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="Bucked20"]Flo rida,black eyed peas and pitbull are the definition of pop rap music,wayne isn't near that Bucked20

No, you came into a thread quoting and kind of aggresively telling everyone they are wrong or uneducated is why you are a douche. I don't post to gain acceptance, I like seeing other peoples opinions and views and making conversation (which doesn't happen often which is why I don't post much anymore) and when an annoying guy comes along it's fun to argue especially seing some of the funny comebacks people come with.Jolt_counter119

You see my posts as "aggressive" is your own fault, you assumed. You know nothing about me.

Its fun to argue? So you're a troll... so I guess that whole arrogant douchebag really does apply better to you, than it does to me.

So you like conversations when people have different opinions than you, but when they have different opinions than you you call them douches, and troll?

Very nice, how old are you?

By the way, I've been told that changing the text in someone's quote can get you banned. I'm not going to report you, because unlike you, I'am not an "arrogant douche".

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]
You can't help who likes your music,I want see an example of a wayne song u think is pop kingkong0124