Questioin about birth control and confidentiality

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#51 Nerd_Man
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[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"] Yeah, like my coin metaphor, the chances will always remain the same. It doesn't matter how many times you flip a coin, each and every time you will have a 50% chance of it landing on heads. If condom usage has about a 2% chance of getting a woman pregnant, then it will always remain at that 2%. It doesn't matter how many times a woman has sex, she's still just as likely as getting pregnant as a woman who has sex for the first time.Famiking

What are the chances that you will have a situation where you get tails 10 times in a row? Not very high. (0.098% to be a bit more precise).

Case in point: I'll be surprised if you have had sex a million times and never got pregnant (unless you're infertile or something of course).

I'm not saying that it is unlikely to happen if you do it ten times. I'm just saying, each and every time you have the same likeliness of getting pregnant just as much as if it was your first time. The chances don't change over time.
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#52 Sajedene
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only GSOT would turn this into a math thread ;p
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#53 weezyfb
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umm just get condoms and over the counter birth control pills.. you can get them with cash no questions asked
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#54 MuddVader
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%99.7? wow..
[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]Why not just use condoms?Famiking
Math power! The first time they have sex using condom for birth control, there is a 2% chance she will be pregnant. 2nd: 3.96% 10th: 18.29% 20th: 33.24% 50th: 63.58% 100th: 86.74% chance she is pregnant. With birth contorl pills, there is 0.3% she will be pregnant the first time. 1st: 0.3% 2nd: 0.6% 10th: 2.96% 20th: 5.83% 50th: 13.95% 100th: 25.95% I think the fact that by the tenth time there is a 20% chance she would have been impregnated by then should be enough for people to not rely on condoms. Of course, you should use both.

Is that supposedly from that womans lifetime, or with that one man?
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#55 Famiking
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I'm not saying that it is unlikely to happen if you do it ten times. I'm just saying, each and every time you have the same likeliness of getting pregnant just as much as if it was your first time. The chances don't change over time.Nerd_Man
I don't think I said otherwise. :?

If you're trying to talk about probability, then you have a whole different type of math here. You're options are pregnant or not pregnant with pregnancy being the undesired numerator and the total number of possibilities in the denominator. In that case it's always 1/2 and thus multiplicative for each episode of intercourse. If you have sex 10 times, the possibility of pregnancy in the 10 encounters is 1/2^10 or .009%

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You got the wrong formula. There is a 0.009% chance you'll get pregnant 10 times after having sex 10 times.
Is that supposedly from that womans lifetime, or with that one man?MuddVader
Woman's lifetime.

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#56 MuddVader
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[QUOTE="MuddVader"] Is that supposedly from that womans lifetime, or with that one man?Famiking
Woman's lifetime.

Mmm... If I ever got with my dream girl, I could never find out that number because the last thing I would want would be for her to have to think of all the times she had sex with that disgusting mess..

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#57 Benevolentbob
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[QUOTE="Benevolentbob"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]You can forgo going through insurance if she makes less a certain income a year through planned parenthood. Not sure if that is only in California though. And please still use a condom. Birth control is not 100% effective.Sajedene

If you use the pill as directed it is 99.7% effective. The problem is that people are either too lazy or just don't know how to follow directions. Also, yes the pill does not protect against disease.

EDIT: Also, that 99.7% is definitely better than the 98% effectiveness of condums, even if it is just by 1.7%. Basically, the pill is fine as long as you use it as directed, but use the condum as well if you're unsure as to if your partner has a disease or if they are possibly unfaithful.

Link: http://contraception.about.com/od/additionalresources/qt/comparison.htm

The pill is hormones. That percentage (as mentioned by someone else in this thread [poster above me?]) as well as the rest of the math in this thread does not take into consideration all other variables one can not control. With the pill - the most important thing it does not consider is how different women and their bodies will react differently to the hormones in the pill. Some will take great and others will have no effect or even negative effects on it. I follow directions very well and the pill works great for me. My friend takes it whenever she remembers it and it works great for her. My other friend took it religiously almost to the dot at the same time every day - and shes the one who has the one year old today. And by your logic - my recommendation would be super effective since I suggested they use BOTH the pill and the condom.

I never said your recommendation wasn't effective, I was just saying I think you're underplaying the reliability of the pill a bit. Saying it's unreliable and then saying use a condom doesn't make sense because the pill is more effective. Using both comes across as overkill to me, except in situations like I mentioned where you you're not sure about certain things regarding your partner regarding disease. Your friend's doctor should have been able to tell if it was working after the test period, this is the reason my sister had to switch to a different pill. Lastly, how do you know your friend really followed it religiously? Were you there to watch her each time? How do you know she didn't simply say that, or even convince herself so, to make herself seem less at fault? I'm not saying this is the case but the statistics speak largely against her. Human nature gets even the best of us sometimes. Assuming she truly did follow it perfectly, it does not claim to be 100% effective, and she could just be in the extreme minority.
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#58 inyourface_12
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just go to planned parenthood and pay 15 bucks a monthfor the pills, easiest way to make sure that noone knows

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#59 Benevolentbob
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If we're talking about birth control besides the condom that are effective -there are depo provera shots and the IUD which I would like to think are more effective than the pill and even that can be argued.Sajedene

You're correct on the IUD but not the injections.

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#60 smc91352
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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]Why not just use condoms?Famiking
Of course, you should use both.

And pull-out too. :P That way you can't go wrong :? :lol:
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#61 CornishPixie88
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Over here in the UK you can be prescribed birth control for reasons other than contraception eg heavy or irregular periods, so your girlfriend could always use that excuse if her mum did find out. Dont rely on that method on its own though- quite a few factors can affect how it works!