Question about Obama and Race

NPR already said they can survive on their own without government assistance. I say let 'em. I really don't have an opinion on Planned Parenthood. But they are non-essential in my eyes. Perhaps it's just my state, but NY offers a lot of help to women that has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood.

To me spending responsibly means keeping taxes as low as possible while being able to support our military---with some cuts, because even Secretary Gates says there's some waste---our government, infrastructure and all other essential programs to include our safety nets.

I can even deal with letting some Bush tax cuts expire, so long as small business owners get exempt from the tax increases. Reports have already shown they are the biggest job creators in the country and we need to help them as much as possible.

I also think we should end all ag subsidies. Those are far preferable than ending oil subsidies because everyone benefits from lower gas prices.

I just can't get behind a candidate that doesn't look out for me. Social and fiscal liberals don't look out for me.

airshocker

Eh, I can't really say that I agree with your definition. Sure, we need to keep taxes as low as we can, but that really doesn't have much at all to do with the spending itself. In regards to the military, yeah, there definitely need to be some cuts and a bit more common sense (for instance, the United States has 11 aircraft carriers, while the rest of the world has 10. Do we really need to be building 3 more?) HOWEVER, in regardsto the waste, Republicans had 6 years of complete control over the government. Why didn't they cut out the waste then?

Yes, but I'd go a bit further, and restore tax rates to pre-Reagan rates.

And YES. I love you. Farm subsidies are complete bulls***, though I haven't really looked into oil subsidies too much, so I don't have a stance yet.

BUT, how are social and fiscal liberals not looking out for you? I'm just curious.

Even though TC made his initial post as innocent as possible, I still thought this thread was just going to be a train wreck. It has actually been an enlightening read.

Please continue. I am particularly interested in more of your opinions, Airshocker.

Well, regarding Planned Parenthood, (I would've abreviated it, but then I noticed its unfortunate initials) NY State is much more supportive of women in regards to birth control, condoms and all of that jazz than, say, Kentucky, which passed a bill requiring all women getting an abortion to look at an ultrasound and a description of the development of the fetus. In these sort of hostile places, Planned Parenthood is really the only source of aid for these women, since the entire community around them is practically damning them to a life of shame.

Eh, I can't really say that I agree with your definition. Sure, we need to keep taxes as low as we can, but that really doesn't have much at all to do with the spending itself. In regards to the military, yeah, there definitely need to be some cuts and a bit more common sense (for instance, the United States has 11 aircraft carriers, while the rest of the world has 10. Do we really need to be building 3 more?) HOWEVER, in regardsto the waste, Republicans had 6 years of complete control over the government. Why didn't they cut out the waste then?

Yes, but I'd go a bit further, and restore tax rates to pre-Reagan rates.

And YES. I love you. Farm subsidies are complete bulls***, though I haven't really looked into oil subsidies too much, so I don't have a stance yet.

BUT, how are social and fiscal liberals not looking out for you? I'm just curious.

jaydough

You know, that's a state issue that I don't much care for. I don't particularly like abortion, but I think a woman should be free to get one if she wishes. The government shouldn't be taking a position in it, though, that's why I don't mind them cutting funding.

As for the aircraft carriers, I'm okay with it so long as older ones are retired. I'm very much in favor of a leaner, more high-tech military.

Still not okay with tax rates going up too much. That's just more to do with beliefs, though. As I already said, we need to be taking care of our small business owners. That means not taxing them as much as possible, and then reforming the tax codes to make sure corporations pay their fair share and don't get welfare from the government.

If we got rid of oil subsidies, we'd be paying much more than we are right now. Much, much more. And that will kill us.

Well, any group that'wants me to pay more in taxes that go to the same failing programs we have right now aren't looking out for me. Sure, that argument can also be made for Republicans sometimes, but for the most part they let me keep my hard-earned money.

You know, that's a state issue that I don't much care for. I don't particularly like abortion, but I think a woman should be free to get one if she wishes. The government shouldn't be taking a position in it, though, that's why I don't mind them cutting funding.

As for the aircraft carriers, I'm okay with it so long as older ones are retired. I'm very much in favor of a leaner, more high-tech military.

Still not okay with tax rates going up too much. That's just more to do with beliefs, though. As I already said, we need to be taking care of our small business owners. That means not taxing them as much as possible, and then reforming the tax codes to make sure corporations pay their fair share and don't get welfare from the government.

If we got rid of oil subsidies, we'd be paying much more than we are right now. Much, much more. And that will kill us.

Well, any group that'wants me to pay more in taxes that go to the same failing programs we have right now aren't looking out for me. Sure, that argument can also be made for Republicans sometimes, but for the most part they let me keep my hard-earned money.

airshocker

Well, really, who are we going up against that requires such a powerful and spread out military? Our enemies are afraid enough to attack us as it is, with the whole "we're allied with pretty much everyone who actually matters" thing and the "pretty much your only source of income is our trade" deal

True, small businesses should not get taxed very much. However, with the middle class shrinking and money constantly moving towards a few wealthy elite, wouldn't it be a good idea to shift more of the burden onto the rich? When I say to raise taxes, it's generally for the rich. And yeah, corporate welfare sucks.

Alright, I'll look into it.

I see your point on fiscal liberalism (and disagree, since generally welfare/healthcare programs are doing well, but i digress), but how is social liberalism treating you poorly? Again, really curious.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

You know, that's a state issue that I don't much care for. I don't particularly like abortion, but I think a woman should be free to get one if she wishes. The government shouldn't be taking a position in it, though, that's why I don't mind them cutting funding.

As for the aircraft carriers, I'm okay with it so long as older ones are retired. I'm very much in favor of a leaner, more high-tech military.

Still not okay with tax rates going up too much. That's just more to do with beliefs, though. As I already said, we need to be taking care of our small business owners. That means not taxing them as much as possible, and then reforming the tax codes to make sure corporations pay their fair share and don't get welfare from the government.

If we got rid of oil subsidies, we'd be paying much more than we are right now. Much, much more. And that will kill us.

Well, any group that'wants me to pay more in taxes that go to the same failing programs we have right now aren't looking out for me. Sure, that argument can also be made for Republicans sometimes, but for the most part they let me keep my hard-earned money.

jaydough

Well, really, who are we going up against that requires such a powerful and spread out military? Our enemies are afraid enough to attack us as it is, with the whole "we're allied with pretty much everyone who actually matters" thing and the "pretty much your only source of income is our trade" deal

True, small businesses should not get taxed very much. However, with the middle ****shrinking and money constantly moving towards a few wealthy elite, wouldn't it be a good idea to shift more of the burden onto the rich? When I say to raise taxes, it's generally for the rich. And yeah, corporate welfare sucks.

Alright, I'll look into it.

I see your point on fiscal liberalism (and disagree, since generally welfare/healthcare programs are doing well, but i digress), but how is social liberalism treating you poorly? Again, really curious.

The thing I don't understand about people who point to Obama's support among black people is that black people support every Democrat monolithically. What is special about Obama's level of support he receives from black people?

Didn't I just hear about some scandal where people called in to a whole bunch of Planned Parenthood locations asking for a mamogram, only to have Planned Parenthood say that they don't perform those kinds of tests. I think the problem with Planned Parenthood is that it really seems like it has become an abortion factory.

YellowOneKinobi

He isn't black.. He is Bi-racial.00-Riddick-00

black people in america tend to vote democrat... Obama is a democrat weezyfb

Even though TC made his initial post as innocent as possible, I still thought this thread was just going to be a train wreck. It has actually been an enlightening read.

Please continue. I am particularly interested in more of your opinions, Airshocker.

chasingmaynard

actually I like that he said he was attempting to do so. it's very easy to go off on a tantrum about how racially unsensitive someone can be if you don't think they are even trying not to be so.