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#1 Nolan16
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#2 Hubadubalubahu
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Are we not all just pathetic vessles of slime meandering through this sea called life?

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#3 Blood-Scribe
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In an ultimate sense, I don't think that life has any objective purpose, and I think that ascribing purpose to it outside of a human perspective is nonsensical. Doesn't really affect how I go about my life, though.
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#4 chaoscougar1
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You get one shot at life (That we can be sure of :3) Enjoy it
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#5 campzor
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dont care.. i dont need a 'purpose' in life... whatever happens, happens..
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#6 lo_Pine
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I think the only purpose that each of us have that we know for sure is that our purpose is to keep life going. And that is good enough for me.

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#7 ZumaJones07
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no, i do not feel like a pathetic vessel of slime. :lol:
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#9 OG_LIP
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Since I've concluded that I'm one of the few superiors in my species.. There's no reason for me not to enjoy life, it's great.

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#10 a_wild_zubat
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My purpose in life is to have funroulettethedog
Everyone should have fun.
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#11 WiiCubeM1
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I feel like life is just one big joke and I'm the butt of it. The only difference is I find the joke hilarious and want to know the punchline.

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#12 VanHelsingBoA64
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I BECOME SO NUMB
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#13 Zeviander
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Do I answer if I cannot consider myself "average"?
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#14 branketra
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Does anyone believe in reincarnation?
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#15 Philokalia
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Life has purpose despite what the nihilist might tell us.

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#16 tenaka2
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Life has purpose despite what the nihilist might tell us.

Philokalia

This, the purpose of life is to have fun.

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#17 branketra
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Do I answer if I cannot consider myself "average"?Zeviander
I don't see any reason to.
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#18 CptJSparrow
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Life overall has no purpose, but actions and choices have purposes which you assign them. Read Viktor Frankl
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#19 Zeviander
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Life has purpose despite what the nihilist might tell us.Philokalia
Life has no inherent, or objective purpose. We will live and we will die, and the vast majority of matter in the universe (read: 99.999...%) will not care what we have done, or that we even lived. For a purpose to exist, some kind of conceptual value must be attributed to life, and only human beings (as far as we know) have assigned value to their existence. And they are arrogant enough to think the universe is actually catered to their needs, and is interested in their day-to-day activities. Any value we might attribute to life and our existence is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But we might as well enjoy what we have, since we have the faculties to enjoy.
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#20 Barbariser
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Life can be purposeless or purposeful depending on who is experiencing it. There are some people who see no reason to go through life, others assign goals and values to life from which their purpose is derived.

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#21 sayyy-gaa
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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Life has purpose despite what the nihilist might tell us.Zeviander
Life has no inherent, or objective purpose. We will live and we will die, and the vast majority of matter in the universe (read: 99.999...%) will not care what we have done, or that we even lived. For a purpose to exist, some kind of conceptual value must be attributed to life, and only human beings (as far as we know) have assigned value to their existence. And they are arrogant enough to think the universe is actually catered to their needs, and is interested in their day-to-day activities. Any value we might attribute to life and our existence is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But we might as well enjoy what we have, since we have the faculties to enjoy.

That's a pretty bleak way to look at life. Life has several purposes both spiritually assigned and otherwise. At the absolute minimum, we have the purpose to procreate and ensure the survival of our species.

Surely even the bleakest of us can agree to that?

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#22 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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There is no purpose so make the best of what little you have.

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#23 Zeviander
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That's a pretty bleak way to look at life. Life has several purposes both spiritually assigned and otherwise. At the absolute minimum, we have the purpose to procreate and ensure the survival of our species. Surely even the bleakest of us can agree to that?sayyy-gaa
Bleak is merely a matter of perspective. In it's purest, most distilled manner, in the "eyes" of the universe, we have zero value and zero meaning. Whether we came into existence or not is a non-issue for the benign collection of matter and energy around us. Every value, every meaning, every purpose is assigned by conscious, thinking, conceptualizing beings. I see this perspective as the only legitimate one to hold, as it burdens humanity with giving itself value, meaning and purpose, and makes us entirely responsible for our actions, our thoughts and our survival. Externalizing value to something beyond us gives us even less reason to live, for what if we have it all wrong and whatever "God" out there doesn't give a sh!t? Once we can internalize our values and purpose, then we gain infinite potential, free from the watchful eyes of the divine big brother, free to fulfill ourselves and evolve to the greatest lengths allowed by organic (and even possibly inorganic) life. Bleak is thinking we have to please a God and if we don't follow a strict set of rules set out by it, we miss out on a reward after dying. Why not take full advantage of the reward we have right here, right now? Why limit ourselves and suppress our natural tendencies?
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#24 Philokalia
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Life has no inherent, or objective purpose. We will live and we will die, and the vast majority of matter in the universe (read: 99.999...%) will not care what we have done, or that we even lived. For a purpose to exist, some kind of conceptual value must be attributed to life, and only human beings (as far as we know) have assigned value to their existence. And they are arrogant enough to think the universe is actually catered to their needs, and is interested in their day-to-day activities. Any value we might attribute to life and our existence is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But we might as well enjoy what we have, since we have the faculties to enjoy.Zeviander

Glad your consistent with your atheism. but theres no reason to enjoy the life we have, no reason to say that is better than the one who commits suicide, under your world view that is.

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#25 Blue-Sky
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This baby was born with spinal muscular atrophy and will soon die. This other baby was born with organs outside it's body. What was their purpose?

Or maybe there isn't a purpose and life is just a byproduct of logical processes. Maybe we have to create our own purpose through social constucts we design ourselves?

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#26 Communist_Soul
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I view the world as deterministic, we all have some role to play, it's just that role actually has zero bearing on anything else.

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#27 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Life has no inherent, or objective purpose. We will live and we will die, and the vast majority of matter in the universe (read: 99.999...%) will not care what we have done, or that we even lived. For a purpose to exist, some kind of conceptual value must be attributed to life, and only human beings (as far as we know) have assigned value to their existence. And they are arrogant enough to think the universe is actually catered to their needs, and is interested in their day-to-day activities. Any value we might attribute to life and our existence is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. But we might as well enjoy what we have, since we have the faculties to enjoy.Philokalia

Glad your consistent with your atheism. but theres no reason to enjoy the life we have, no reason to say that is better than the one who commits suicide, under your world view that is.

And whys that? You seem to have a very negative view on things.

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#28 Zeviander
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Glad your consistent with your atheism. but theres no reason to enjoy the life we have, no reason to say that is better than the one who commits suicide, under your world view that is. Philokalia
Under my world view, someone who commits suicide is throwing away the only chance at life they get, and removing all of their potential for greatness from the gene pool. They are committing the most grievous of "sin" against life and themselves. Those who give themselves value and purpose in a universe that wouldn't give two sh!ts if they died tomorrow, who fulfill their potential completely and enjoy everything life has to offer are the great "saints" of our kind. They illustrate why life is worth keeping around and worth living. I doubt you could understand this though.
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#29 Philokalia
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Under my world view, someone who commits suicide is throwing away the only chance at life they get, and removing all of their potential for greatness from the gene pool. They are committing the most grievous of "sin" against life and themselves. Those who give themselves value and purpose in a universe that wouldn't give two sh!ts if they died tomorrow, who fulfill their potential completely and enjoy everything life has to offer are the great "saints" of our kind. They illustrate why life is worth keeping around and worth living. I doubt you could understand this though.Zeviander

Greatness in the gene pool? Its just meaningless as you said before right? So therefore there is meaning? It seems you can't follow through with the idea of complete and abject meaningless thus you must somehow justify meaning. But I do understand, no one wants to die I just don't see how you can logically justify it if you say there is no meaning.

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#30 Philokalia
Member since 2012 • 2910 Posts

And whys that? You seem to have a very negative view on things.

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I actually have hope in humanity.

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#31 Zeviander
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Greatness in the gene pool? Its just meaningless as you said before right? So therefore there is meaning? It seems you can't follow through with the idea of complete and abject meaningless thus you must somehow justify meaning. But I do understand, no one wants to die I just don't see how you can logically justify it if you say there is no meaning.Philokalia
It seems you can't read what I write. The universe couldn't care less that we came into being and have potential through evolution. I am assigning personal, conceptual value to life... it still, objectively, lacks it. I made a very clear distinction you seem to have either missed, or are ignoring. Of course nobody wants to die (well, I bet some Christians might)! But it is a reality we all have to face if we are going to be able to give our lives value. If we keep running from death, fearing it, wanting it to just go away, we've wasted all that time avoiding an inevitability instead of better applying the time to enjoyable or productive endeavors. But I have to leave this discussion for right now, because I am running on 4 hours of sleep over a 36 hour period and am about to collapse. Better make sure I do it into bed!
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#32 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

And whys that? You seem to have a very negative view on things.

Philokalia

I actually have hope in humanity.

Well you clearly don't since you said everyone might as well kill themsleves. There was nothing negative about what he said, you're the one who put a negative spin on it.

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Under my world view, someone who commits suicide is throwing away the only chance at life they get, and removing all of their potential for greatness from the gene pool. They are committing the most grievous of "sin" against life and themselves. Those who give themselves value and purpose in a universe that wouldn't give two sh!ts if they died tomorrow, who fulfill their potential completely and enjoy everything life has to offer are the great "saints" of our kind. They illustrate why life is worth keeping around and worth living. I doubt you could understand this though.Philokalia

Greatness in the gene pool? Its just meaningless as you said before right? So therefore there is meaning? It seems you can't follow through with the idea of complete and abject meaningless thus you must somehow justify meaning. But I do understand, no one wants to die I just don't see how you can logically justify it if you say there is no meaning.

There is no grand divine meaning to your life. To the Universe you are nothing. Less than a speck of dust. Born, lived to old age, and dead in less than a proverbal blink of an eye. Thus the mean, the purpose your life has is the one you give it. Personally I find that to be quite a positive thing. Give your life meaning and live it. It's all you have.

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#34 Adziboy
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Of course life has no set purpose. If our purpose isn't abundantly clear then obviously it can't be that important. Each individuals purpose on Earth is different - some think their purpose is to have fun, some to reproduce etc. It's all dependant on so many factors. I, for one, believe that I'm on this Earth for absolutely no reason and I might as well aim for happiness (which, to clarify, is my own personal preference, not my actual 'lifes purpose'). If your not happy or actively making someone happy then you have no reason to actually live, tbh.
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#35 Fundai
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Life has a purpose; we all have different paths to fulfilling that purpose, and one of the biggest parts of that path should be helping others attain their purpose.
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If anyone is feeling that way and is looking for an alternative.....there are plenty of openings in the Cult of Omni......only thing it will cost you is to pledge your soul and any future lives you may have to me and my every whim....the benefits are amazing.....(to me)...
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Under my world view, someone who commits suicide is throwing away the only chance at life they get, and removing all of their potential for greatness from the gene pool. They are committing the most grievous of "sin" against life and themselves. Those who give themselves value and purpose in a universe that wouldn't give two sh!ts if they died tomorrow, who fulfill their potential completely and enjoy everything life has to offer are the great "saints" of our kind. They illustrate why life is worth keeping around and worth living. I doubt you could understand this though.Philokalia

Greatness in the gene pool? Its just meaningless as you said before right? So therefore there is meaning? It seems you can't follow through with the idea of complete and abject meaningless thus you must somehow justify meaning. But I do understand, no one wants to die I just don't see how you can logically justify it if you say there is no meaning.

*Closes eyes and beats a dead horse*

If your going to have a discussion with someone wouldn't it be a bit more productive if you actually read what others wrote?

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#38 MadVybz
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I stopped caring about questions like that because then you tend to adopt negative outlook on most things that are enjoyable in life.

Not to say that someone who is nihilistic is guaranteed to be depressed, mind you.

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#39 mems_1224
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who cares? just enjoy the ride
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#40 Heisenderp
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Life has purpose despite what the nihilist might tell us.

Philokalia

Cocksucking?

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#41 bub166
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That depends. I feel like I can give myself a purpose for the advancement of humankind if I try. But in the grand scale of the universe, humankind is, as Kansas said "dust in the wind." We're going to be gone eventually, so yes, it's rather pointless.

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#42 AussieePet
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What is a average person? are there super humans now?
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#43 Drakes_Fortune
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I'm not an average person.

And

LO_palebluedot.jpg

That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity ? in all this vastness ? there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

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#44 Hubadubalubahu
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I'm not an average person.

And

LO_palebluedot.jpg

That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity ? in all this vastness ? there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

Drakes_Fortune

:lol: That was deep drakes. Im laughing because a profound thing such as above just seems out of the norm posting style for you. It's like when Jack Black attempted to take on serious roles and I couldn't get past the fact that he was in Bongwater.

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#45 Blood-Scribe
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You do know that's one of Carl Sagan's speeches, right?
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#46 Hubadubalubahu
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You do know that's one of Carl Sagan's speeches, right?Blood-Scribe

Actually no but that further explains why it sounded so...out of character.

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#48 soulless4now
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Death is inevitable so I'm rather meh about it.

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#49 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]In an ultimate sense, I don't think that life has any objective purpose, and I think that ascribing purpose to it outside of a human perspective is nonsensical.

This. However, I do think that it's up to the individual to give their own life some sort of personal meaning (i.e., a reason to live). Although I will say that I go through periods of time where I'm in a sort of auto-pilot mode, as I do tend to put more focus on the future.
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#50 coolbeans90
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Not an objective purpose, but idgaf about that. Not sure why that matters to anyone. I have my own purposes, and those suit me quite nicely.