Question for those of you who believe in Heaven

When you get to Heaven, what do you expect to be in terms of age?

For example, do you expect to eternally be the age you were at the time of your death? Do you think you can choose whatever age you want to be? How do you think it works?

I think a lot of people assume that they will forever be the age they were when they died, but some people die within minutes after being born. I think it would suck to be a newborn baby for the rest of eternity.

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

I think if you go to Hell, the last thing you can expect to do is "chill". ;)GAMESHARQ

Satans my bro dude

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Hakarie

Humans naturally reject a perfect world. Humans' reality is defined by pain and suffering.

That's why the first matrix was a failure :P

I think if you go to Hell, the last thing you can expect to do is "chill". ;)GAMESHARQ

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Tokugawa77

Humans naturally reject a perfect world. Humans' reality is defined by pain and suffering.

That's why the first matrix was a failure :P

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Hakarie

Relevant.

[QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]I think if you go to Hell, the last thing you can expect to do is "chill". ;)dagreenfish

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"][QUOTE="GAMESHARQ"]I think if you go to Hell, the last thing you can expect to do is "chill". ;)GAMESHARQ

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Blue-Sky

Relevant.

Funny because being in the same room with the first 4 idiots for 15 minutes would feel like an eternity.

Yeah im an atheist big woop wna fight bout it?

I have no idea what Heaven will look like.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Hakarie

Relevant.

Funny because being in the same room with the first 4 idiots for 15 minutes would feel like an eternity.

Yeah im an atheist big woop wna fight bout it?

Uneeded. Are you trying to picka fight with people here?

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Relevant.

Hatiko

Funny because being in the same room with the first 4 idiots for 15 minutes would feel like an eternity.

Yeah im an atheist big woop wna fight bout it?

Uneeded. Are you trying to picka fight with people here?

All hope is lost.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Funny because being in the same room with the first 4 idiots for 15 minutes would feel like an eternity.

Yeah im an atheist big woop wna fight bout it?

Hakarie

Uneeded. Are you trying to picka fight with people here?

All hope is lost.

Why, because you started acting all "tough" and I asked why you needed to post such a unneded line? Especially since I was under the impression that most of OT and the TC were atheists or skeptics.

I think if you go to Hell, the last thing you can expect to do is "chill". ;)GAMESHARQ

Actually, according to Divine Comedy, the final circles of Inferno where Satan resides is mostly frozen and so cold that icy winds can be felt in the other circles.

:P

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Blue-Sky

Relevant.

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Hakarie

I think it's taught in Islamic traditions that people are and remain 33 years of age. I don't know if any other religions mention our age or lack thereof.grimseeker

newborns don't go to heaven unless they're baptized.comp_atkins

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]newborns don't go to heaven unless they're baptized.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]newborns don't go to heaven unless they're baptized.comp_atkins

Why, because you started acting all "tough" and I asked why you needed to post such a unneded line? Especially since I was under the impression that most of OT and the TC were atheists or skeptics.Hatiko

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Blue-Sky

Relevant.

I always thought you looked like the prime of your earth life which would be in your 20s for most people.

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Uneeded. Are you trying to picka fight with people here?

Hatiko

All hope is lost.

Why, because you started acting all "tough" and I asked why you needed to post such a unneded line? Especially since I was under the impression that most of OT and the TC were atheists or skeptics.

Someday you will realize what I actually meant, and it will be too late to atone for you ignorance mister.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]newborns don't go to heaven unless they're baptized.mindstorm

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]newborns don't go to heaven unless they're baptized.ChampionoChumps

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

Blue-Sky

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

mindstorm

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

mindstorm

1. That makes no sense, an omnipotent being needs no 'glory'.

2. No, as a matter of fact, the creator usually creates to fullfill a task it cant perform. Look at robots.

3. Its been more than 2k years man, jesus sure loves to arrive late to the party.

Last but not least, it makes no sense for an omnipotent being to put up with a mishevious servant. So yeah if your christian god exist, satan is at the very least capable of defending himself.

And the only hing that makes that last sentence sound coherent, is a dragon ballesque battle.

1. Satan does have a motive - to bring glory to himself rather than to God.
2. Even if all of creation were to seek to destroy God, the Creator will always be more powerful than the creation.
3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment.

mindstorm

Satan has shown to be just as powerful as God. He created demons and dragons in the War of Heaven and is capable to manipulating elements on earth just like God can. If anything current religion expresses Satan as just the opposite of God and pretty much overlook the idea that he was "created"

1. Glory? You mean as in honor or praise? By who's standards? How do you "obtain Glory?"

2. I disgree, God has shown to be unable to kill angels and lucifer, a fallen angel cannot die. Actually, it seems all spiritual components outside the realm of the real world cannot be destroyed as there is no time nor logic. We simply exist for all eternity.

3. Why would Satan want Earth? Hell seems like a much better environment for your kingdom. You have all eternity, no intervention from God and an endless supply of humans entering.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]1. Satan does have a motive - to bring glory to himself rather than to God. 2. Even if all of creation were to seek to destroy God, the Creator will always be more powerful than the creation. 3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment.Hakarie

1. That makes no sense, an omnipotent being needs no 'glory'.

2. No, as a matter of fact, the creator usually creates to fullfill a task it cant perform. Look at robots.

3. Its been more than 2k years man, jesus sure loves to arrive late to the party.

Last but not least, it makes no sense for an omnipotent being to put up with a mishevious servant. So yeah if your christian god exist, satan is at the very least capable of defending himself.

And the only hing that makes that last sentence sound coherent, is a dragon ballesque battle.

2. The creator created because he wished to create, not because he required anything of us.

3. Jesus called the church to bear witness of him into the ends of the earth - there still exists people groups who do not know the name and story of Jesus. Not until a people from every nation, tribe, and tongue confesses the name of Jesus as Lord will he return.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]1. Satan does have a motive - to bring glory to himself rather than to God. 2. Even if all of creation were to seek to destroy God, the Creator will always be more powerful than the creation. 3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment.mindstorm

1. That makes no sense, an omnipotent being needs no 'glory'.

2. No, as a matter of fact, the creator usually creates to fullfill a task it cant perform. Look at robots.

3. Its been more than 2k years man, jesus sure loves to arrive late to the party.

Last but not least, it makes no sense for an omnipotent being to put up with a mishevious servant. So yeah if your christian god exist, satan is at the very least capable of defending himself.

And the only hing that makes that last sentence sound coherent, is a dragon ballesque battle.

2. The creator created because he wished to create, not because he required anything of us.

3. Jesus called the church to bear witness of him into the ends of the earth - there still exists people groups who do not know the name and story of Jesus. Not until a people from every nation, tribe, and tongue confesses the name of Jesus as Lord will he return.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

1. Satan does have a motive - to bring glory to himself rather than to God.
2. Even if all of creation were to seek to destroy God, the Creator will always be more powerful than the creation.
3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment.

Blue-Sky

Satan has shown to be just as powerful as God. He created demons and dragons in the War of Heaven and is capable to manipulating elements on earth just like God can. If anything current religion expresses Satan as just the opposite of God and pretty much overlook the idea that he was "created"

1. Glory? You mean as in honor or praise? By who's standards? How do you "obtain Glory?"

2. I disgree, God has shown to be unable to kill angels and lucifer, a fallen angel cannot die. Actually, it seems all spiritual components outside the realm of the real world cannot be destroyed as there is no time nor logic. We simply exist for all eternity.

3. Why would Satan want Earth? Hell seems like a much better environment for your kingdom. You have all eternity, no intervention from God and an endless supply of humans entering.

2. I'm pretty much certain that God can do whatever he wants. Also, I agree that God himself acts outside of time and space but this does not mean Satan and his minions also live in such a manner. They are creations after all and thus have a point of origin. Why can they not also have a point of destruction?

3. Hell is not a vacation home but is a place of torment built specifically for Satan. Satan does not rule over hell, God's judgment does.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]

1. That makes no sense, an omnipotent being needs no 'glory'.

2. No, as a matter of fact, the creator usually creates to fullfill a task it cant perform. Look at robots.

3. Its been more than 2k years man, jesus sure loves to arrive late to the party.

Last but not least, it makes no sense for an omnipotent being to put up with a mishevious servant. So yeah if your christian god exist, satan is at the very least capable of defending himself.

And the only hing that makes that last sentence sound coherent, is a dragon ballesque battle.

ChampionoChumps

2. The creator created because he wished to create, not because he required anything of us.

3. Jesus called the church to bear witness of him into the ends of the earth - there still exists people groups who do not know the name and story of Jesus. Not until a people from every nation, tribe, and tongue confesses the name of Jesus as Lord will he return.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] 1. Glory is, in a sense, the radiation of the holiness of God. Glory comes forth from him and is due solely to him. Satan by seeking glory for himself is essentially seeking himself to be worshiped. He is a prideful being and wishes nothing more than to see himself exalted.

2. The creator created because he wished to create, not because he required anything of us.

3. Jesus called the church to bear witness of him into the ends of the earth - there still exists people groups who do not know the name and story of Jesus. Not until a people from every nation, tribe, and tongue confesses the name of Jesus as Lord will he return.

mindstorm

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

mindstorm

3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment. So what parts of this grand master plan is satan in the dark on? If the information that is supposed to be true, the bible, is freely available, than does satan know how the story is supposed to play out? If he does know, why does he do what he does? If he doesn't know, how could he not?

If one knows what god is, why would they mount any sort of actual rebellion thinking it could succeed? Or is the rebellion just a matter of principle, carried out with knowledge that it is futile?

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]Why, because you started acting all "tough" and I asked why you needed to post such a unneded line? Especially since I was under the impression that most of OT and the TC were atheists or skeptics.Piroshki

Oh, well, I had no clue. thanks for the heads up though. I don't watch that much Family Guy.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

All hope is lost.

Hakarie

Why, because you started acting all "tough" and I asked why you needed to post such a unneded line? Especially since I was under the impression that most of OT and the TC were atheists or skeptics.

Someday you will realize what I actually meant, and it will be too late to atone for you ignorance mister.

I do realize because someone told me. Atone for my ignorance? What, I need to atone for not knowing a line from some (IMOdumb and unfunny) cartoon? :roll: