Question for those of you who believe in Heaven

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Hakarie

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

1. Satan does have a motive - to bring glory to himself rather than to God.
2. Even if all of creation were to seek to destroy God, the Creator will always be more powerful than the creation.
3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment.

mindstorm

Satan has shown to be just as powerful as God. He created demons and dragons in the War of Heaven and is capable to manipulating elements on earth just like God can. If anything current religion expresses Satan as just the opposite of God and pretty much overlook the idea that he was "created"

1. Glory? You mean as in honor or praise? By who's standards? How do you "obtain Glory?"

2. I disgree, God has shown to be unable to kill angels and lucifer, a fallen angel cannot die. Actually, it seems all spiritual components outside the realm of the real world cannot be destroyed as there is no time nor logic. We simply exist for all eternity.

3. Why would Satan want Earth? Hell seems like a much better environment for your kingdom. You have all eternity, no intervention from God and an endless supply of humans entering.

2. I'm pretty much certain that God can do whatever he wants. Also, I agree that God himself acts outside of time and space but this does not mean Satan and his minions also live in such a manner. They are creations after all and thus have a point of origin. Why can they not also have a point of destruction?

3. Hell is not a vacation home but is a place of torment built specifically for Satan. Satan does not rule over hell, God's judgment does.

I feel very sorry for the millions written before the bible and for all the people in the world who are unaware of the bible, or silly enough to believe in a different religion other then a specific branch of christinity.

No matter how good they are or how saintly they live there lives they are damned to spend eternity in hell.

I don't believe in Heaven, but in terms of looks, I believe you to be whatever your inside says. Similar to the movie What Dreams May Come (recommended). MetallicaKings

2. The creator created because he wished to create, not because he required anything of us.mindstorm

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Id rather go to hell and chill with satan. I would go crazy in a perfect universe.

Blue-Sky

Relevant.

I say you morph into a giant blimp and fly away.

I'm with Parkurtommo. If there is anyone i'd rather be in Heaven (or Hell for that matter) it'd be Neil Tyson and Carl Sagan. the rest ummm... no thanks. P.S. I have never heard of Carolyn Porco before.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

The concept of Satan and Hell is so flawed to me.

Satan is a textbook example of a villian. No motives, no incentives, just evil for no reason, similar to the classic villians of old fashion cartoons. It's hard for me to imagine anyone but a human to create the concept of Satan. So he basically takes pleasure in torturing humans? Hell is eternal right? So there has to be like 5 billion humans right now being tortured. At what point do you reach the peak of that pleasure? Imagine when a million years go by, then there would be gazillions of humans in hell. He's gotta do something else with them. That's a lot of people...

Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit the people in hell into your Army to make you stronger and eventually re-enact another war in heaven to dethrone God? Satan should be much more powerful than God by now.

It just makes no sense for Satan to torture humans when it's he's domain, He's better off running the place like any other place on earth. A normal sin-filled society with him as king. I'd imagine you can even seek employment.

mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Satan has shown to be just as powerful as God. He created demons and dragons in the War of Heaven and is capable to manipulating elements on earth just like God can. If anything current religion expresses Satan as just the opposite of God and pretty much overlook the idea that he was "created"

1. Glory? You mean as in honor or praise? By who's standards? How do you "obtain Glory?"

2. I disgree, God has shown to be unable to kill angels and lucifer, a fallen angel cannot die. Actually, it seems all spiritual components outside the realm of the real world cannot be destroyed as there is no time nor logic. We simply exist for all eternity.

3. Why would Satan want Earth? Hell seems like a much better environment for your kingdom. You have all eternity, no intervention from God and an endless supply of humans entering.

tenaka2

2. I'm pretty much certain that God can do whatever he wants. Also, I agree that God himself acts outside of time and space but this does not mean Satan and his minions also live in such a manner. They are creations after all and thus have a point of origin. Why can they not also have a point of destruction?

3. Hell is not a vacation home but is a place of torment built specifically for Satan. Satan does not rule over hell, God's judgment does.

I feel very sorry for the millions written before the bible and for all the people in the world who are unaware of the bible, or silly enough to believe in a different religion other then a specific branch of christinity.

No matter how good they are or how saintly they live there lives they are damned to spend eternity in hell.

I think everyone will be 33. I don't remember where I heard it, though.

Wouldnt it be our souls form, so we wouldnt have a body at all.

I feel very sorry for the millions written before the bible and for all the people in the world who are unaware of the bible, or silly enough to believe in a different religion other then a specific branch of christinity.

No matter how good they are or how saintly they live there lives they are damned to spend eternity in hell.tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]I feel very sorry for the millions written before the bible and for all the people in the world who are unaware of the bible, or silly enough to believe in a different religion other then a specific branch of christinity.

No matter how good they are or how saintly they live there lives they are damned to spend eternity in hell.Piroshki

The older I get the more the entire notion of Heaven and Hell seem completely absurd to me. If anything "heaven" and "hell" are right here and right now, and your actions and mental state determine which you are living in at this moment.

I think that, in Heaven, everything is fine. :P

Seriously, I think people are the age when they were at their best in life. Like, when they were at the "top of the game." And they stay that way.

[QUOTE="Hakarie"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]1. Satan does have a motive - to bring glory to himself rather than to God. 2. Even if all of creation were to seek to destroy God, the Creator will always be more powerful than the creation. 3. Earth is indeed where Satan attempts to reign and to reject God and follow sin is to give glory to Satan rather than God. However, all of these things are temporary and God will see evil destroyed on the day of judgment.mindstorm

1. That makes no sense, an omnipotent being needs no 'glory'.

2. No, as a matter of fact, the creator usually creates to fullfill a task it cant perform. Look at robots.

3. Its been more than 2k years man, jesus sure loves to arrive late to the party.

Last but not least, it makes no sense for an omnipotent being to put up with a mishevious servant. So yeah if your christian god exist, satan is at the very least capable of defending himself.

And the only hing that makes that last sentence sound coherent, is a dragon ballesque battle.

2. The creator created because he wished to create, not because he required anything of us.

3. Jesus called the church to bear witness of him into the ends of the earth - there still exists people groups who do not know the name and story of Jesus. Not until a people from every nation, tribe, and tongue confesses the name of Jesus as Lord will he return.

1. Again, so does god.

2.That you can not know.

3.So jesus will only come back once every being on earth accepts him? Propaganda for cultural monopolism much?

Its the same thing, IF and omnipotent being exists, everything that exists is directly its responsability. If satan exists either god isnt omnipotent or he wants him to make humanity suffer.

Either way we lose.

I find it interesting how people are so quick to assume Heaven is a corporeal place that "exists."foxhound_fox

I feel very sorry for the millions written before the bible and for all the people in the world who are unaware of the bible, or silly enough to believe in a different religion other then a specific branch of christinity.

No matter how good they are or how saintly they live there lives they are damned to spend eternity in hell.tenaka2

I am getting real annoyed by the way you look down on the certain groups of people. Stop making appealing to pity statements and contribute like the other people are doing.

Or the people unfortunate enough to be born into and raised in the "wrong" religion. Who are just as unlikely to accept the "right" one and abandon long held cherished beliefs as mindstorm is. Keeping in mind that in the view of many others, he is the one going to hell, because their religion is the "right" one.

Piroshki

If you're so concern of what other people believe, then your an insecure person who couldn't make decisions for himself. How about I believe this because I thinks it's true. I do not need other people's approval of my beliefs. I pretty much sure that we agree on it.

[QUOTE="Piroshki"]

Or the people unfortunate enough to be born into and raised in the "wrong" religion. Who are just as unlikely to accept the "right" one and abandon long held cherished beliefs as mindstorm is. Keeping in mind that in the view of many others, he is the one going to hell, because their religion is the "right" one.

alexside1

If you're so concern of what other people believe, then your an insecure person who couldn't make decisions for himself. How about I believe this because I thinks it's true. I do not need other people's approval of my beliefs. I pretty much sure that we agree on it.

I also find it interesting that people flip out on the concept on hell and not be bothered with the concept of heaven.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Piroshki"]

Or the people unfortunate enough to be born into and raised in the "wrong" religion. Who are just as unlikely to accept the "right" one and abandon long held cherished beliefs as mindstorm is. Keeping in mind that in the view of many others, he is the one going to hell, because their religion is the "right" one.

parkurtommo

If you're so concern of what other people believe, then your an insecure person who couldn't make decisions for himself. How about I believe this because I thinks it's true. I do not need other people's approval of my beliefs. I pretty much sure that we agree on it.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="alexside1"]

If you're so concern of what other people believe, then your an insecure person who couldn't make decisions for himself. How about I believe this because I thinks it's true. I do not need other people's approval of my beliefs. I pretty much sure that we agree on it.

alexside1

[QUOTE="Piroshki"]

Or the people unfortunate enough to be born into and raised in the "wrong" religion. Who are just as unlikely to accept the "right" one and abandon long held cherished beliefs as mindstorm is. Keeping in mind that in the view of many others, he is the one going to hell, because their religion is the "right" one.

alexside1

If you're so concern of what other people believe, then your an insecure person who couldn't make decisions for himself. How about I believe this because I thinks it's true. I do not need other people's approval of my beliefs. I pretty much sure that we agree on it.