"Did God create Evolution?" And other things.

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#1 Narroo
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People like to say evolution is against religon. But isn't possible that god designed things to evolve? Could the Dinosaurs been part of creating the world?  Does he really support hard core right wingests?

Isn't possible that the bible said things so it would be taken seriously in the times it was written, and said things that actually were important to it, not focusing on umimportant mathematical figures such as Pie?

What do you think? 

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#2 Hinata237
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How do you know if god is real?
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#3 cjek
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The dinosaurs were fine until they discovered nuclear fission. Just thought I'd add that point.
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#4 Nisstyre_56
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Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:
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#5 Greatgone12
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god created lemonade, and that's all that matters.
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#6 bastards12345
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Pie is a mathematical figure?
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#7 format_kid
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Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Nisstyre_56
EVERYTHING is God's way.... :|
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#8 Nisstyre_56
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I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related to evolution in the bible
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#9 Narroo
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Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Nisstyre_56

I mean IF there is a god, would he design it into life so it could change and adapt?   

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#10 format_kid
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Pie is a mathematical figure?bastards12345
That's why pies are made in circles rather than sqaures :D
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[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Narroo

I mean IF there is a god, would he design it into life so it could change and adapt?   

But if God did create everything, what would need to be changed? Wouldn't everything already be the way he wanted it to be?
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#12 Narroo
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I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related evolution in the bibleNisstyre_56

 

Isn't possible that the bible said things so it would be taken seriously in the times it was written, and said things that actually were important to it, not focusing on umimportant mathematical figures such as Pie?

Narroo

I think that includes evolution.

Hey everybody! Things evolve over millions of years and we came from Apes! Yay!...Um whats with the pike. Hey what are you doing-----Ahhh! That DOESN'T go THERE!!!! AAAAAIIIIIIEEEE! 

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[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Narroo

I mean IF there is a god, would he design it into life so it could change and adapt?

That's impossible to answer, even if we did know that a god existed, how the heck am I supposed to tell you what that god would do or not do? 

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#14 Dasc00
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God's a bad designer then. He's not perfect, therefore why call him god?
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#15 SSJ_GOTENKS
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GOD CREATED WORLD, GOD IS WORLD!
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The origin of life was the strongest theist case, making it hard to be an atheist. Now that we know the real answer god isn't really needed.

People say existance is the proof of god, but like origin of life, we will find the real reason. 

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[QUOTE="Narroo"]

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:format_kid

I mean IF there is a god, would he design it into life so it could change and adapt?

But if God did create everything, what would need to be changed? Wouldn't everything already be the way he wanted it to be?

Ohh! I'm a replying machine today!

Well do you think the world is how he would have wanted it today? Things are not perfect, and he doesn't seem to like to constantly tend to it.  So maybe he is lazy, or maybe he wants to see what happens.  After all, why create th eearth in the first place if you really have no reason to?

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#18 cjek
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I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related to evolution in the bibleNisstyre_56

You're right.. there are jackasses not only in the beginning, but all the way through. No signs of evolution.

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#19 Narroo
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God's a bad designer then. He's not perfect, therefore why call him god?Dasc00

Adaptation is a bad design?

In the worest case scenario he is a Spore player. For real. 

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#20 Hinata237
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GOD CREATED WORLD, GOD IS WORLD!SSJ_GOTENKS

Are you serious? How do you even know God is real?
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[QUOTE="format_kid"][QUOTE="Narroo"]

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Narroo

I mean IF there is a god, would he design it into life so it could change and adapt?

But if God did create everything, what would need to be changed? Wouldn't everything already be the way he wanted it to be?

Ohh! I'm a replying machine today!

Well do you think the world is how he would have wanted it today? Things are not perfect, and he doesn't seem to like to constantly tend to it.  So maybe he is lazy, or maybe he wants to see what happens.  After all, why create th eearth in the first place if you really have no reason to?

lol. well I'm guessing the world isn't how he would want it, but why would he let become this way? I guess he would have to be lazy, but for what reason does he have to be lazy. And if God did create the would for no reason, why would he do that? Just to see what happens is the only thing I could think of...
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#22 Greatgone12
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I guess it's time you guys knew the truth....

I AM GOD!!!!! 

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[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related to evolution in the biblecjek

You're right.. there are jackasses not only in the beginning, but all the way through. No signs of evolution.

Ummm, wtf are you talking about? I didn't say there weren't any signs of evolution at the time of the bible...it's just that no one had discovered it at the time(s) of the writing of the bible, hence why the document does not mention it at all.

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#24 format_kid
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[QUOTE="cjek"]

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related to evolution in the bibleNisstyre_56

You're right.. there are jackasses not only in the beginning, but all the way through. No signs of evolution.

Ummm, wtf are you talking about? I didn't say there weren't any signs of evolution at the time of the bible...it's just that no one had discovered it at the time(s) of the writing of the bible, hence why the document does not mention it at all.

Hmm...but wouldn't Jesus have told everyone about that if God created evolution? He told everyone about God and Adam and Eve and such, why not evolution?
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#25 Narroo
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[QUOTE="Narroo"]

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Nisstyre_56

I mean IF there is a god, would he design it into life so it could change and adapt?

 

That's impossible to answer, even if we did know that a god existed, how the heck am I supposed to tell you what that god would do or not do?

It's a guess really. 

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#26 cjek
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[QUOTE="cjek"]

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related to evolution in the bibleNisstyre_56

You're right.. there are jackasses not only in the beginning, but all the way through. No signs of evolution.

Ummm, wtf are you talking about? I didn't say there weren't any signs of evolution at the time of the bible...it's just that no one had discovered it at the time(s) of the writing of the bible, hence why the document does not mention it at all.

I was joking. Everyone knows religion topics on OT are just jokes. 

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[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="cjek"]

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]I'm sure it doesn't even bloody mention anything remotely related to evolution in the bibleformat_kid

You're right.. there are jackasses not only in the beginning, but all the way through. No signs of evolution.

 

Ummm, wtf are you talking about? I didn't say there weren't any signs of evolution at the time of the bible...it's just that no one had discovered it at the time(s) of the writing of the bible, hence why the document does not mention it at all.

Hmm...but wouldn't Jesus have told everyone about that if God created evolution? He told everyone about God and Adam and Eve and such, why not evolution?

Would everyone have believed it? Did Jesus even know? Was it important to even say? Was it edited out of the bible by the church?  Who knows? Heck, Jesus could have been a scitzophrenic for all we know. Pardon my spelling.

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[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:format_kid
EVERYTHING is God's way.... :|

You use that emoticon as if there's something horribly wrong with not believing in God...

Dude...that's scary.

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Hmm...but wouldn't Jesus have told everyone about that if God created evolution? He told everyone about God and Adam and Eve and such, why not evolution?format_kid

I'm going to be blunt, if evolution had been discovered at the time the bible was written, it would have been in the creation story 

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#30 Hewkii
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if he did the creation story is false.
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#31 format_kid
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[QUOTE="format_kid"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:luke1889

EVERYTHING is God's way.... :|

You use that emoticon as if there's something horribly wrong with not believing in God...

Dude...that's scary.

There's nothing wrong with believing in God, just the people who are overly fanatic about it.
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#32 Turk_Brown
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Why does it matter, i think god created us so we could argue over his exsistence that makes sense :?
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if he did the creation story is false.Hewkii

Darn tootin'.

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Pie is a mathematical figure?bastards12345
It's the most delicious mathematical figure. And sure, mathematics is completely unimportant... unless you value any form of technology more advanced than fire. The Bible frequently digressed into mathematical minutae, like giving the exact dimensions of the tabernacle.
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#35 luke1889
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[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="format_kid"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:format_kid

EVERYTHING is God's way.... :|

You use that emoticon as if there's something horribly wrong with not believing in God...

Dude...that's scary.

There's nothing wrong with believing in God, just the people who are overly fanatic about it.

I think I just misinterpreted your last post. So...you're not one of those fanatics? Because I read it like you were.  :P

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[QUOTE="format_kid"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="format_kid"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:luke1889

EVERYTHING is God's way.... :|

You use that emoticon as if there's something horribly wrong with not believing in God...

Dude...that's scary.

There's nothing wrong with believing in God, just the people who are overly fanatic about it.

I think I just misinterpreted your last post. So...you're not one of those fanatics? Because I read it like you were.  :P

No :P I'm not religious at all.
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#37 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"]if he did the creation story is false.luke1889

Darn tootin'.

If the bible is the word of god, the creation story is how it is because if god had talked about the big bang and evolution the people would've said god is crazy.
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#38 DaveGamer_05
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Oh yeah, sure God MUST have created it, there's no other way :roll:Nisstyre_56

He's just asking opinions. He never said there wasn't another way. I hate when people get touchy when a religion subject comes up.

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#39 Hewkii
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[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]if he did the creation story is false.Mr_sprinkles

Darn tootin'.

If the bible is the word of god, the creation story is how it is because if god had talked about the big bang and evolution the people would've said god is crazy.

but if it was the word of God, they would've had to believe it, right?
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Would everyone have believed it? Did Jesus even know? Was it important to even say? Was it edited out of the bible by the church? Who knows? Heck, Jesus could have been a scitzophrenic for all we know. Pardon my spelling.

Narroo

Are you saying that Jesus may have LIED to his disciples? :o or that he didn't know everything? :o

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#41 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]if he did the creation story is false.Hewkii

Darn tootin'.

If the bible is the word of god, the creation story is how it is because if god had talked about the big bang and evolution the people would've said god is crazy.

but if it was the word of God, they would've had to believe it, right?

they can't believe in something they can't even begin to understand. we're talking about the days when the sky was what held heaven up.
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No he/she/it didn't.
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#43 luke1889
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[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]if he did the creation story is false.Mr_sprinkles

Darn tootin'.

If the bible is the word of god, the creation story is how it is because if god had talked about the big bang and evolution the people would've said god is crazy.

On the contrary. The Bible could have said anything and you'd still hail it the same either way, because you'd not have known any different. Just like you don't know any different now.

See what I'm getting at?

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they can't believe in something they can't even begin to understand. we're talking about the days when the sky was what held heaven up.Mr_sprinkles
yet they believed in an omnipotent being that can do anything.
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[QUOTE="Dasc00"]God's a bad designer then. He's not perfect, therefore why call him god?Narroo

Adaptation is a bad design?

In the worest case scenario he is a Spore player. For real. 

It's inneficeint. If I were God, I'd make an organism that could adapt to it's surrounding just by thought, meaning if it wanted to swim it could spontaneously grow fins and gills.

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#46 luke1889
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"] they can't believe in something they can't even begin to understand. we're talking about the days when the sky was what held heaven up.Hewkii
yet they believed in an omnipotent being that can do anything.

Touche.

Surely Mr_Sprinkles, if that was in the days when 'the sky was what held the heaven up', and also when people believed in magic might I add, that is a very strong indication of such religious scriptures being made up. I mean, like you say, their knowledge and understanding of their surroundings was very much primitive and divorced from reality.

EDIT: upon further inspection of this post, I'm not sure whether the two of you were arguing or not.  :(

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Be a deist...belief in a god that created everything and then left it to it's own devices :)
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]if he did the creation story is false.luke1889

Darn tootin'.

If the bible is the word of god, the creation story is how it is because if god had talked about the big bang and evolution the people would've said god is crazy.

On the contrary. The Bible could have said anything and you'd still hail it the same either way because you'd not have known any different. Just like you don't know any different now,

See what I'm getting at?

genesis chapter 1:"And god did cause the infinatly dense ball of matter to explode, and fill the blackness with the element hydrogen. Gravity did cause this matter to gather, and the gase did combust to form heavier elements. As these heavenly bodies did collapse unto themselves, this material was expelled, and did form the earth, and many other objects in the sky..."

chapter 2: "and god did create a single celled organism from the chemicals of the earth. he did give this, the first creature, the ability to reproduce, and mutate at a genetic level..." etc etc. 

What do you mean? what is Hydrogen? element? what are these things? this person does not speak for god! he lies!

 You gotta remember god didn't say any of these things as a booming voice in the sky to all the people on the earth, he told one person, and that person hadto tell everyone else.

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people of relgion seem to think that everything on a human beings body is perfectly the same, e.g. feet size, breat size, hand size etc where usually there is always something bigger or smaller, so hmmmmm...god the perfect creator?

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#50 Dasc00
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people of relgion seem to think that everything on a human beings body is perfectly the same, e.g. feet size, breat size, hand size etc where usually there is always something bigger or smaller, so hmmmmm...god the perfect creator?

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