"Everyone Draw Holocaust Day" - June 30th ... Discussion ONLY

I agree with pete_merlin. This is disgusting to say the least.

Good men such as President Harry S. Truman had nightmares about what they saw when they went to the concentration camps.

I know its offensive... but that's not reason enough for me to take a restrictive stance against it. They have the right to make people pissed off at them - and I'm not going to argue with that.

it's just a drawing people sheesh. Kids these days.

I got my friends to call it the lollercaust :roll:

Please for the love of God, tell me that Draw Holocaust Day was thought up by the Iranian President... MattUD1

Firstly, Everybody Draw Muhammad day was not meant to be offensive by drawing racist pictures like everyone did (the original cartoonist did not want that),what was meant was being able to be allowed to draw him in the name of free speech because Islam denounces free speech over and over; free speech should be and needs to be a universal right. Drawing the Holocaust has nothing offensive to it assuming its not done in a racist way. There is also no point to drawing it because there is no goal or right to protect, as in example of Muhammad drawing. Dr_Brocoli

Firstly, Everybody Draw Muhammad day was not meant to be offensive by drawing racist pictures like everyone did (the original cartoonist did not want that)

The creator was amazingly nieve then.. Becuase this was a given to most people that this was to happen..

,what was meant was being able to be allowed to draw him in the name of free speech because Islam denounces free speech over and over

No it does not, a few extremists groups did this.. Not all of Islam..

; free speech should be and needs to be a universal right. Drawing the Holocaust has nothing offensive to it assuming its not done in a racist way. There is also no point to drawing it because there is no goal or right to protect, as in example of Muhammad drawing. Dr_Brocoli

Even Jewish people draw images and interpretations of the holocaust . . . this person obviously never read the comic Maus :lol: this idea is straight up stupidfat_rob

Firstly, Everybody Draw Muhammad day was not meant to be offensive by drawing racist pictures like everyone did (the original cartoonist did not want that),what was meant was being able to be allowed to draw him in the name of free speech because Islam denounces free speech over and over; free speech should be and needs to be a universal right. Drawing the Holocaust has nothing offensive to it assuming its not done in a racist way. There is also no point to drawing it because there is no goal or right to protect, as in example of Muhammad drawing. Dr_Brocoli

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Even Jewish people draw images and interpretations of the holocaust . . . this person obviously never read the comic Maus :lol: this idea is straight up stupidjimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]Even Jewish people draw images and interpretations of the holocaust . . . this person obviously never read the comic Maus :lol: this idea is straight up stupidfat_rob

*edit* just looked up this Spiegelman's Maus. I'm guessing that's a little less offensive than what's likely to come out of this or what came out of Draw Mohammed Day.

[QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]Firstly, Everybody Draw Muhammad day was not meant to be offensive by drawing racist pictures like everyone did (the original cartoonist did not want that),what was meant was being able to be allowed to draw him in the name of free speech because Islam denounces free speech over and over; free speech should be and needs to be a universal right. Drawing the Holocaust has nothing offensive to it assuming its not done in a racist way. There is also no point to drawing it because there is no goal or right to protect, as in example of Muhammad drawing. Famiking

Lots of countries protect freedom of speech, not just America.fat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]So no protests beyond that then?jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="fat_rob"] Lots of countries protect freedom of speech, not just America.Famiking

[QUOTE="fat_rob"] Lots of countries protect freedom of speech, not just America.Famiking

Not complete freedom of speech like the US. Case in point: you could get arrested in Germany for participating in this.

Norway, Finland, Sweden, Færøerne, Greenland and Denmark have complete freedom of speech as well, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. it's nothing unique to the US.

Norway, Finland, Sweden, Færøerne, Greenland and Denmark have complete freedom of speech as well, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. it's nothing unique to the US.

[QUOTE="fat_rob"] Lots of countries protect freedom of speech, not just America.Famiking

[...] They will be mocking the holocaust. SquatsAreAwesom

orway, Finland, Sweden, Færøerne, Greenland and Denmark have complete freedom of speech as well, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. it's nothing unique to the US.

BiancaDK

America has censorship to that effect too, it's just geared towards obscenity. Go look up the Miller Test.fat_rob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech - A lot of the countries you listed do restrict freedom of speech. While the US does not. Famiking

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]orway, Finland, Sweden, Færøerne, Greenland and Denmark have complete freedom of speech as well, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. it's nothing unique to the US.

Famiking

In effect the US definitely does restrict the practice of hate speech, by it's medias alone. That's definitely a relevant parameter when it comes to measuring ideals of freedom of speech.

Just like this is:

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]orway, Finland, Sweden, Færøerne, Greenland and Denmark have complete freedom of speech as well, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. it's nothing unique to the US.

Famiking

America has censorship to that effect too, it's just geared towards obscenity. Go look up the Miller Test.fat_rob

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]??? You mean did people protest Maus? I highly doubt they did . . . the work has won a bunch of awards. I could understand the point of this event if Jewish people expected the rest of the world to not draw depictions of the holocaust, but that's not the case . . . I don't see the point of this other than trying to be offensive. fat_rob

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="fat_rob"] Lots of countries protect freedom of speech, not just America.BiancaDK

Not complete freedom of speech like the US. Case in point: you could get arrested in Germany for participating in this.

Norway, Finland, Sweden, Færøerne, Greenland and Denmark have complete freedom of speech as well, and that's just what I can think of at the top of my head. it's nothing unique to the US.

But Bianca, has Denmark had free speech for 219 years, like the U.S. has?

[QUOTE="markop2003"] USA is joint 20th in freedom of the press along with Luxumburg and the UK.Famiking

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]If there's any point, it's to show that freedom of speech is a universal right, and not just when it's attacking an unpopular minority. Alternatively, draw Mohammed day was pointless.jimmyjammer69

Of course the US restricts freedom of speech.Engrish_Major

In effect the US definitely does restrict the practice of hate speech, by it's medias alone. That's definitely a relevant parameter when it comes to measuring ideals of freedom of speech.

Just like this is:BiancaDK

But Bianca, has Denmark had free speech for 219 years, like the U.S. has?

topsemag55

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="fat_rob"] No, draw Muhammad day was not pointless. It's imperative that freedom of speech is protected. Some Muslims impose their religious views on all of humanity even though not all of humanity believes in Islam. It's ridiculous to expect me to abide by those laws when I'm not Muslim. I can draw Muhammad if I want to . . . and they can draw the holocaust. I don't disagree with the day on a freedom of speech grounds. They can do whatever they want, I don't care. I just don't see what point their making when NO ONE is making the argument that you can't draw depictions of the holocaust. Yes, it's about free speech, but it's a moot point because no one is fighting against drawing images of the holocaust like Muslims fight against depictions of Muhammad. It's a hallow argument. fat_rob

*edit* as for not providing arguments, I'll continue with the point I did throughout the Mohammed debacle - the day was an excuse for lots of people to air sentiment against Islam in the name of freedumz. It was dumb and pointless but the currently anti- Islam press lapped it up.

Uh, they are linked concepts. You can't have free press without free speech.fat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Agreed completely (except for the Draw Mohammed thing being justified - that was just everyone getting trolled by Matt and Trey).jimmyjammer69

I hope you realize that the Reporters Without Borders gets its data from self-reporting. So your company can be the one that tells you you can't write certain things, and it would be counted as censorship.Famiking

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="fat_rob"] How is the Draw Muhammad day not justified. You're not providing an argument. Matt and Trey were making an important point though satire (like they always do on South Park). fat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Uh, they are linked concepts. You can't have free press without free speech.Famiking

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Well, lots of people are gong to be making an important point through satire on this too. Or is Matt and Trey's art so much more valuable than everyone else's? jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="fat_rob"] No, their art isn't more valuable, it's just that their point in drawing Muhammad has more oomph since there is an entire segment of a religion trying to prevent them from depicting Muhammad and threatened violence against Matt and Trey if they did so. No one is telling people not to draw pictures of the holocaust. Can important points be made by depicting the holocaust? Yes, but the points would be amplified if people where actually against drawing the holocaust. fat_rob