"Legitimate r*pe" quote taken way out of context

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

So if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, what does that mean?

Being an ignorant idiot is enough for me to hope that he doesn't get elected. I don't care if he is a misogynist or not.

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

Tokugawa77

So the statement that rape-related pregnancies should not be aborted because the female body sometimes prevents them isn't mysogynistic?

LOL Todd Akin defense force. ive seen it all

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

theone86

So the statement that rape-related pregnancies should not be aborted because the female body sometimes prevents them isn't mysogynistic?

No, it 's simply misguided. He is trying to find a way to demonize abortion, not to justify rape, which is what people are interpreting this as.

LOL Todd Akin defense force. ive seen it all

Aljosa23

All I'm pointing out was that his statement was taken out of context, I am in no way defending him. I share none of his political views.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

Tokugawa77

So the statement that rape-related pregnancies should not be aborted because the female body sometimes prevents them isn't mysogynistic?

No, it 's simply misguided. He is trying to find a way to demonize abortion, not to justify rape, which is what people are interpreting this as.

He suggested, and he's not the only one, that women will lie about rape to get an abortion. That is used as a justification to ignore rape as a a reason a woman should be able to have an abortion.

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

Tokugawa77

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

LOL Todd Akin defense force. ive seen it all

Tokugawa77

All I'm pointing out was that his statement was taken out of context, I am in no way defending him. I share none of his political views.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

LOL Todd Akin defense force. ive seen it all

Aljosa23

All I'm pointing out was that his statement was taken out of context, I am in no way defending him. I share none of his political views.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

MannyDelgado

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/28/opinion/etzioni-akin-rape-comment/index.html

"Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape," implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex."

His opinion is what prompted me to start this thread.

I think Akin was trying to refer to what Paul Ryan calls "forcible rape" but just mangled the language a bit. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

Tokugawa77

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/28/opinion/etzioni-akin-rape-comment/index.html

"Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape," implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex."

His opinion is what prompted me to start this thread.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I think Akin was trying to refer to what Paul Ryan calls "forcible rape" but just mangled the language a bit. Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Idiot. No one interpreted 'legitimate rape' as meaning 'justified rape'.MannyDelgado

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/28/opinion/etzioni-akin-rape-comment/index.html

"Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape," implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex."

His opinion is what prompted me to start this thread.

You're telling me to think? Read the fvcking quote for Christ's sake it directly contradicts everything you've said.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Idiot. No one interpreted 'legitimate rape' as meaning 'justified rape'.MannyDelgado

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/28/opinion/etzioni-akin-rape-comment/index.html

"Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape," implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex."

His opinion is what prompted me to start this thread.

You're telling me to think? Read the fvcking quote for Christ's sake it directly contradicts everything you've said.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/28/opinion/etzioni-akin-rape-comment/index.html

"Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape," implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex."

His opinion is what prompted me to start this thread.

Tokugawa77

You're telling me to think? Read the fvcking quote for Christ's sake it directly contradicts everything you've said.

I've never been able to find an answer. Clearly both father and daughter were the victims, but I've still never understood how it was even physically possible. How did they ever get erections? Fiona Lloyd-Davies

lol somebody give this lady a job on SNL.

LOL TC legitimate is a synonym to justifiable, learn to grammar bro.

[QUOTE="Fiona Lloyd-Davies"]I've never been able to find an answer. Clearly both father and daughter were the victims, but I've still never understood how it was even physically possible. How did they ever get erections? SirWander

lol somebody give this lady a job on SNL.

LOL TC legitimate is a synonym to justifiable, learn to grammar bro.

Which is my point. Except it is quite easy to tell, given the quote's context, that he meant "real".

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I think Akin was trying to refer to what Paul Ryan calls "forcible rape" but just mangled the language a bit. thegerg

No, it doesn't. There are different types of rape. To refuse to recognize that is just silly.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]That does not contradict my post. Try actually thinking before you type.MannyDelgado

You're telling me to think? Read the fvcking quote for Christ's sake it directly contradicts everything you've said.

Ok either

A) you are extremely uneducated and cannot articulate an argument or,

B) you are just a troll

either way, I won't respond back until you actually post a comment that has merit.

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down". And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. He is an idiot, has no grasp of biology, and I am amazed (well, not really, this is America afterall) that he was elected to office, but he IS NOT and mysogynist, at least not from what is evident from his statement. And yet I have seen bullsh*t opinion articles like this one

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-23/opinion/opinion_akin-galloway-opinion_1_julian-assange-strange-bedfellows-congo

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

Tokugawa77

Is it really? Is it silly to say that it is as bad for an 18 year old girl to have sex with her 17 year old boyfriend (which is rape in many places) is as bad as a man holding down a young boy and having sex with him against his will? Though you may disagree, most reasonable people are able to recognize that some types of rape are worse than others.thegerg

Which is my point. Except it is quite easy to tell, given the quote's context, that he meant "real".Tokugawa77

Ha, that's true, but it's easy to misinterpret (out of context).

People are going to attack him because he made such ridiculous, and quite frankly sexist, claims. I will agree with you in that labeling him a misogynist only detracts from his sheer and obvious stupidity, but Akin's statement only puts the blame of the pregnancy on the woman. And you've said in this thread that it was a way to "demonize abortion," you've conceded that it's a statement of malcontent meant to deride a woman's right to choose. To label Akin a misogynist is not that far fetched, by publicly making that statement he invited scrutiny.

What I want to know is what in Akin's character makes him worthy of defense? One misogynistic statement doesn't make a person a misogynist, does it? But why else would he be saying something so stupid. Why else would he say that the female body can tell the difference between a real rape and one that isn't?

So it's starting to piss me off how the statement by Rep Todd Akin is being taken so out of context. By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Tokugawa77

By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". Here's the actual quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down".

Tokugawa77

That's the problem; he's implying that only forced intercourse that doesn't bring about pregnancy is "real" rape. He's a rape apologist sh!tbag. I agree that the word "justified" is misleading here, but it's merely a misleading word choice. The point of the article is pretty obvious.

which are nothing more than feminist hate-mongering.

Tokugawa77

lol oh you

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]Which is my point. Except it is quite easy to tell, given the quote's context, that he meant "real".SirWander

Ha, that's true, but it's easy to misinterpret (out of context).

People are going to attack him because he made such ridiculous, and quite frankly sexist, claims. I will agree with you in that labeling him a misogynist only detracts from his sheer and obvious stupidity, but Akin's statement only puts the blame of the pregnancy on the woman. And you've said in this thread that it was a way to "demonize abortion," you've conceded that it's a statement of malcontent meant to deride a woman's right to choose. To label Akin a misogynist is not that far fetched, by publicly making that statement he invited scrutiny.

What I want to know is what in Akin's character makes him worthy of defense? One misogynistic statement doesn't make a person a misogynist, does it? But why else would he be saying something so stupid. Why else would he say that the female body can tell the difference between a real rape and one that isn't?

I'm not defending him or his political views, but his statment, which people have been using as evidence of mysogyny, which it most clearly is not. An indicator? maybe, that id subjective, but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable. And yes, his motivation for the comment was to support his argument that rape was not a legitimate (:P) reason to abort. Once again, I just take issue with the way that his comment has been portrayed by news articles. I actually had to do some digging to find the whole quote, which all articles I read conviniently left out, leaving some people who did not take the time to research the issue to believe that he was going as far as to say that some forms of rape are permissable. I am not defending Akin, just attacking the articles that have this bias.

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]Which is my point. Except it is quite easy to tell, given the quote's context, that he meant "real".Tokugawa77

Ha, that's true, but it's easy to misinterpret (out of context).

People are going to attack him because he made such ridiculous, and quite frankly sexist, claims. I will agree with you in that labeling him a misogynist only detracts from his sheer and obvious stupidity, but Akin's statement only puts the blame of the pregnancy on the woman. And you've said in this thread that it was a way to "demonize abortion," you've conceded that it's a statement of malcontent meant to deride a woman's right to choose. To label Akin a misogynist is not that far fetched, by publicly making that statement he invited scrutiny.

What I want to know is what in Akin's character makes him worthy of defense? One misogynistic statement doesn't make a person a misogynist, does it? But why else would he be saying something so stupid. Why else would he say that the female body can tell the difference between a real rape and one that isn't?

I'm not defending him or his political views, but his statment, which people have been using as evidence of mysogyny, which it most clearly is not. An indicator? maybe, that id subjective, but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable. And yes, his motivation for the comment was to support his argument that rape was not a legitimate (:P) reason to abort. Once again, I just take issue with the way that his comment has been portrayed by news articles. I actually had to do some digging to find the whole quote, which all articles I read conviniently left out, leaving some people who did not take the time to research the issue to believe that he was going as far as to say that some forms of rape are permissable. I am not defending Akin, just attacking the articles that have this bias.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

Ha, that's true, but it's easy to misinterpret (out of context).

People are going to attack him because he made such ridiculous, and quite frankly sexist, claims. I will agree with you in that labeling him a misogynist only detracts from his sheer and obvious stupidity, but Akin's statement only puts the blame of the pregnancy on the woman. And you've said in this thread that it was a way to "demonize abortion," you've conceded that it's a statement of malcontent meant to deride a woman's right to choose. To label Akin a misogynist is not that far fetched, by publicly making that statement he invited scrutiny.

What I want to know is what in Akin's character makes him worthy of defense? One misogynistic statement doesn't make a person a misogynist, does it? But why else would he be saying something so stupid. Why else would he say that the female body can tell the difference between a real rape and one that isn't?

Ace6301

I'm not defending him or his political views, but his statment, which people have been using as evidence of mysogyny, which it most clearly is not. An indicator? maybe, that id subjective, but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable. And yes, his motivation for the comment was to support his argument that rape was not a legitimate (:P) reason to abort. Once again, I just take issue with the way that his comment has been portrayed by news articles. I actually had to do some digging to find the whole quote, which all articles I read conviniently left out, leaving some people who did not take the time to research the issue to believe that he was going as far as to say that some forms of rape are permissable. I am not defending Akin, just attacking the articles that have this bias.

One implies biological ignorance while another implies full blown support for some situations of rape. Pretty big difference, if you ask me

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

I'm not defending him or his political views, but his statment, which people have been using as evidence of mysogyny, which it most clearly is not. An indicator? maybe, that id subjective, but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable. And yes, his motivation for the comment was to support his argument that rape was not a legitimate (:P) reason to abort. Once again, I just take issue with the way that his comment has been portrayed by news articles. I actually had to do some digging to find the whole quote, which all articles I read conviniently left out, leaving some people who did not take the time to research the issue to believe that he was going as far as to say that some forms of rape are permissable. I am not defending Akin, just attacking the articles that have this bias.

Tokugawa77

One implies biological ignorance while another implies full blown support for some situations of rape. Pretty big difference, if you ask me

but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable.Tokugawa77

He thinks that if it's legitimate rape, then the female body prevents pregnancy by shutting down, so to speak. That means that forced impregnation isn't rape in his view. Now do you get it?

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] The thing is though that whether he meant "real" or "justified" when he said Legitimate doesn't really matter. Both lead to the exact same argument put forward by the groups your accusing of taking it out of context. Ace6301

One implies biological ignorance while another implies full blown support for some situations of rape. Pretty big difference, if you ask me

Not denying that.

I'd say I kind of have to agree. But the word does imply that there are degrees of severity to rape as there would be legitimate ones and illigitimate ones. But in my opinion, the man just didn't think clearly enough and in the world of politics, there goes your job dumbo. Should have picked one better word. Just one.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable.ghoklebutter

He thinks that if it's legitimate rape, then the female body prevents pregnancy by shutting down, so to speak. That means that forced impregnation isn't rape in his view. Now do you get it?

My point still stands, however. The media has made such a big deal out of this by conviniently editing his statement to seem more controversial than it is. I take issue with them demonizing him as a mysogynist. If you're going to demonize him, demonize him as ignorant. What's the difference? Well, it matters why he is hated. The key is that when his comment is refered to, it is called the "legitimate rape" comment. This is done to create a false impression, obviously, to give the impression of his support of some types of rape. I can guarentee you that if he had said, "actual rape" instead, this would not have half the coverage as it does now. It was his poor choice of words that ignited this sh*tstorm.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

but in no way does he say that rape is in any form permissable.Tokugawa77

He thinks that if it's legitimate rape, then the female body prevents pregnancy by shutting down, so to speak. That means that forced impregnation isn't rape in his view. Now do you get it?

My point still stands, however. The media has made such a big deal out of this by conviniently editing his statement to seem more controversial than it is. I take issue with them demonizing him as a mysogynist. If you're going to demonize him, demonize him as ignorant. What's the difference? Well, it matters why he is hated. The key is that when his comment is refered to, it is called the "legitimate rape" comment. This is done to create a false impression, obviously, to give the impression of his support of some types of rape. I can guarentee you that if he had said, "actual rape" instead, this would not have half the coverage as it does now. It was his poor choice of words that ignited this sh*tstorm.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

He thinks that if it's legitimate rape, then the female body prevents pregnancy by shutting down, so to speak. That means that forced impregnation isn't rape in his view. Now do you get it?

Ace6301

My point still stands, however. The media has made such a big deal out of this by conviniently editing his statement to seem more controversial than it is. I take issue with them demonizing him as a mysogynist. If you're going to demonize him, demonize him as ignorant. What's the difference? Well, it matters why he is hated. The key is that when his comment is refered to, it is called the "legitimate rape" comment. This is done to create a false impression, obviously, to give the impression of his support of some types of rape. I can guarentee you that if he had said, "actual rape" instead, this would not have half the coverage as it does now. It was his poor choice of words that ignited this sh*tstorm.

Very true...

By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". How do you know what he meant?

Im not sure you can say, And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. and then turn around and say, Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape,"implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex. ...emphasis added.

Because it looks to me like Akin is a moron who opened his mouth and spewed some gibberish about which he knows nothing. The media (radical left) picked it up. (You do know more people watch Fox News, right?) Did they go overboard with it? Maybe. Theyre the media. But lets face it, the attacks on womens rights thisyearalone have been varied and widespread. And it seems to me like trying to debate what he meant, or getting mad at some opinion piece calling him a Misogynist is completely missing the point.

Don't you see? The point you should be making, the part of Akin's statement that should have made you mad is that he had an opinion on this at all.

By legitimate, he is implying "real" not "justified". How do you know what he meant?

Im not sure you can say, And so we have feminists and radicals on the left trying to make this out to be an all out attack on women. and then turn around and say, Last week, Republicans and Democrats alike chastised U.S. Rep. Todd Akin for coming up with a highly troubling reference to "legitimate rape,"implying that not all rapes were unjustified, like say when a married man forces his wife to have sex. ...emphasis added.

Because it looks to me like Akin is a moron who opened his mouth and spewed some gibberish about which he knows nothing. The media (radical left) picked it up. (You do know more people watch Fox News, right?) Did they go overboard with it? Maybe. Theyre the media. But lets face it, the attacks on womens rights thisyearalone have been varied and widespread. And it seems to me like trying to debate what he meant, or getting mad at some opinion piece calling him a Misogynist is completely missing the point.

Don't you see? The point you should be making, the part of Akin's statement that should have made you mad is that he had an opinion on this at all.

sundown19

Yeah its kind of fvcking crazy how many anti abortion, anti contraception actions across the states that has been going on.. Then we have things like Wisconsin where Scott Walker quietly brought down the Equal Pay Act..