Race as a factor in school enrollment rejected...

Quote:"The Supreme Court yesterday ruled that public school systems generally should not use race as the determining factor of where students can enroll, rejecting two school districts' voluntary integration plans and threatening similar efforts nationwide.":Quote

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070629/NATION/106290095/1001

I am glad this has happend. Getting into a school should be about having the right brains, not the right skin color. Now we need to eliminate racial quotas and affirmative action.

You can still redraw school boundaries and recruit students and teachers based on race.

You simply can not assign students based on race.

way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meApocalypse33

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Very good move.

Now to get rid of the affirmative action BS which gets people into schools they didn't neccessarily earn their way into by letting them in because of what race or sex they are......

Race should have nothing to do with it.. What should be a factor though is economic standing... Why should a child with wealth parents get in a school that a child with poor parents didn't when they had equal scores?

Honestly has any one seen how bad a inner city school can get? There has to be a balancer for college when public schools are not balanced what so ever.

By looking at the poll results it looks like there are a few possible racistflavort

Well, some people might view it as a strike and a blow at achieving "diversity" which, IMO, is a bunch a bull crap.

[QUOTE="flavort"]By looking at the poll results it looks like there are a few possible racistjohn_doe2

Well, some people might view it as a strike and a blow at achieving "diversity" which, IMO, is a bunch a bull crap.

Diversity is such a sham. Equality is more important.

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meflavort

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meApocalypse33

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Do you want to go?

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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meflavort

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Do you want to go?

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meApocalypse33

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Do you want to go?

Well I wish you the best. I went to VCU for art and dropped out before the first semester. It just was not my thing. Where ever you go, PLEASE make it worth while. I wasted a lot of money.

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meflavort

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Do you want to go?

Well I wish you the best. I went to VCU for art and dropped out before the first semester. It just was not my thing. Where ever you go, PLEASE make it worth while. I wasted a lot of money.

i think most of you are missing the point. this decision is not going to apply to selective schools, but ordinary elementary through high schools that want to diversify their student bodies. i grew up in brooklyn new york and i went to a few different schools there. in my first elementary school, i was the only white student in my class. i am not exaggerating, 96% of the student body was african american or hispanic.

the middle school that i went to was about a 5 minute bus ride away from my elementary school, but the vast majority of the students there, were either caucasian or asian.

i don't think there was anything wrong with trying to integrate students from schools segrated by economic differences.

[QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meApocalypse33

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Do you want to go?

Well I wish you the best. I went to VCU for art and dropped out before the first semester. It just was not my thing. Where ever you go, PLEASE make it worth while. I wasted a lot of money.

Richmond VA.

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="flavort"]

[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]way to make getting into Harvard even harder for meflavort

are you saying your not good enough to get into Harvard?

Do you want to go?

Well I wish you the best. I went to VCU for art and dropped out before the first semester. It just was not my thing. Where ever you go, PLEASE make it worth while. I wasted a lot of money.

Richmond VA.

i think most of you are missing the point. this decision is not going to apply to selective schools, but ordinary elementary through high schools that want to diversify their student bodies. i grew up in brooklyn new york and i went to a few different schools there. in my first elementary school, i was the only white student in my class. i am not exaggerating, 96% of the student body was african american or hispanic.

the middle school that i went to was about a 5 minute bus ride away from my elementary school, but the vast majority of the students there, were either caucasian or asian.

i don't think there was anything wrong with trying to integrate students from schools segrated by economic differences.

maximusmmii

Well, you see, the problem is that in order to achieve diversity, some people are forced to go to schools that are like 90 minutes away from their home even when there is one that's only five minutes away. The reason is because schools have to meet stupid racial quotas and tell people to go to other schools because they already have enough whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, or whatever. I think peolpe should go to whatever school they want.

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i think most of you are missing the point. this decision is not going to apply to selective schools, but ordinary elementary through high schools that want to diversify their student bodies. i grew up in brooklyn new york and i went to a few different schools there. in my first elementary school, i was the only white student in my class. i am not exaggerating, 96% of the student body was african american or hispanic.

the middle school that i went to was about a 5 minute bus ride away from my elementary school, but the vast majority of the students there, were either caucasian or asian.

i don't think there was anything wrong with trying to integrate students from schools segrated by economic differences.

john_doe2

Well, you see, the problem is that in order to achieve diversity, some people are forced to go to schools that are like 90 minutes away from their home even when there is one that's only five minutes away. The reason is because schools have to meet stupid racial quotas and tell people to go to other schools because they already have enough whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, or whatever. I think peolpe should go to whatever school they want.

90 minutes is the approximate driving time between new york city and downtown philadelphia. i highly doubt that anyone is forced to go that far.

[QUOTE="john_doe2"][QUOTE="maximusmmii"]

i think most of you are missing the point. this decision is not going to apply to selective schools, but ordinary elementary through high schools that want to diversify their student bodies. i grew up in brooklyn new york and i went to a few different schools there. in my first elementary school, i was the only white student in my class. i am not exaggerating, 96% of the student body was african american or hispanic.

the middle school that i went to was about a 5 minute bus ride away from my elementary school, but the vast majority of the students there, were either caucasian or asian.

i don't think there was anything wrong with trying to integrate students from schools segrated by economic differences.

maximusmmii

Well, you see, the problem is that in order to achieve diversity, some people are forced to go to schools that are like 90 minutes away from their home even when there is one that's only five minutes away. The reason is because schools have to meet stupid racial quotas and tell people to go to other schools because they already have enough whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, or whatever. I think peolpe should go to whatever school they want.

90 minutes is the approximate driving time between new york city and downtown philadelphia. i highly doubt that anyone is forced to go that far.

It's a bit exagerrated, but you get the idea.

I am glad this has happend. Getting into a school should be about having the right brains, not the right skin color. Now we need to eliminate racial quotas and affirmative action.

john_doe2

I think you totally missed what the article is actually about. This is not about kids "getting into" schools. It's about dividing up public schools in such a way as to ensure "diversity," whatever that means.

Anyway, I still agree with the decision.

As far as some colleges giving points because of race is concerned, I think it's a bunch of b.s. It's effectively the same as deducting points for being white. If they want to make adjustments based on income levels of parents or average testing level of the school(s) they've attended, that I could maybe understand, but based on race is just messed up.

Public schools, I agree. Private however should be able to do whatever they wish.LukeAF24

So if I could do that with a school, should I be able to do that with a store? Sorry, Caucasian customers only.

Here, let me answer that for you: no.

And having a female only school is comparing apples and oranges (although I don't really agree with that either), just in case anyone wants to use that as an example.

stupid, schools should just be mixed.

If u had all the clever people in one and all the stupid in another then isnt that putting the dumb people down?

perhaps they are not developing as fast but in the future they might be super smart.

as for the race, i think the same that we should just all go together.

Its dumb, racequotas shouldn't be allowed.. Why? Because you will find plenty of diversity in college, work, and every other walk of life.. In the end this will hinder people if anything by forcing them to go to schools that are further away etc etc.sSubZerOo

Don't you think that creating a diverse environment at an early age would be much more beneficial due to the still developing mind and personality of a young child?

"Diversifying" the schools does not promote racial equality, it only points out to kids the differences instead of teaching them that all people are the same regardless of their skin color. I couldn't even believe that four of the Supreme Court Justices voted for this.

Racial equality has to be realized by the people, not forced upon them by stupid racial quotas.

Don't you think that creating a diverse environment at an early age would be much more beneficial due to the still developing mind and personality of a young child?

Decessus

"Diversifying" the schools does not promote racial equality, it only points out to kids the differences instead of teaching them that all people are the same regardless of their skin color. I couldn't even believe that four of the Supreme Court Justices voted for this.

Racial equality has to be realized by the people, not forced upon them by stupid racial quotas.

nbtrap1212

I may be wrong, but I don't believe the main goal of integrated schools is to promote racial equality. It is to promote racial tolerance. Although, racial tolerance, I would imagine, leads to racial equality.

As a child, you don't think your attitude towards a person of the opposite race would be different if you had gone to a school that was integrated as opposed to one that was segregated?

I may be wrong, but I don't believe the main goal of integrated schools is to promote racial equality. It is to promote racial tolerance. Although, racial tolerance, I would imagine, leads to racial equality.

As a child, you don't think your attitude towards a person of the opposite race would be different if you had gone to a school that was integrated as opposed to one that was segregated?

Decessus

No. First of all, segregation doesn't exist anymore. Second, like I said, forcing races to be together is only pointing out the differences to kids, who, I think, wouldn't necessarily notice them otherwise.

Integration is certainly better than segregation, but at their roots, they are no different; they both show racial inequality.

I believe diversity in schools is absolutely necessary. The fact is the worst schools in my area are where minorities are a majority in those schools. Why? Part of the reason is that those schools are poorly funded. Why? The communities that pay taxes for those schools are not particularly wealthy so the property taxes and such revenue is far lower than schools in middle class or wealthy neighborhoods. The result is you have the communities in most need of a fair and good education also are provided the worst education. It is a self perpetuating cycle and IMO immoral situation. Of course that is just the money side.

Then you have the social aspect. IMO people not exposed to other people and other cultures regularly are more susceptible to buying into stereotypes and judging people based on ethnicity. Expose children to other cultures and groups (the earlier the better) and they will realize that there is good and bad in everyone and you can't judge an entire group of people based on their skin color or some other arbitrary line. Rather than the people who have never been exposed minorities, or majority cultures outside of TV or movies.

Tensions across cultural or ethnic lines are simply NOT in the best interest of any community or nation. Perpetual poverty amongst isolated ethnic groups breeds hopelessness and again results in a cycle of poverty and injustice. Economically and socially it is in the best interest of a nation to encourage diversity.

I believe diversity in schools is absolutely necessary. The fact is the worst schools in my area are where minorities are a majority in those schools. Why? Part of the reason is that those schools are poorly funded. Why? The communities that pay taxes for those schools are not particularly wealthy so the property taxes and such revenue is far lower than schools in middle class or wealthy neighborhoods. The result is you have the communities in most need of a fair and good education also are provided the worst education. It is a self perpetuating cycle and IMO immoral situation. Of course that is just the money side.

Then you have the social aspect. IMO people not exposed to other people and other cultures regularly are more susceptible to buying into stereotypes and judging people based on ethnicity. Expose children to other cultures and groups (the earlier the better) and they will realize that there is good and bad in everyone and you can't judge an entire group of people based on their skin color or some other arbitrary line. Rather than the people who have never been exposed minorities, or majority cultures outside of TV or movies.

Tensions across cultural or ethnic lines are simply NOT in the best interest of any community or nation. Perpetual poverty amongst isolated ethnic groups breeds hopelessness and again results in a cycle of poverty and injustice. Economically and socially it is in the best interest of a nation to encourage diversity.

duxup

School vouchers. Let the parents decide which public school they want their kids at, as long as they have a way of getting them there...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like your solution would be just to take some kids out of the poorly funded schools and put other ones there instead?

No. First of all, segregation doesn't exist anymore. Second, like I said, forcing races to be together is only pointing out the differences to kids, who, I think, wouldn't necessarily notice them otherwise.

Integration is certainly better than segregation, but at their roots, they are no different; they both show racial inequality.

nbtrap1212

Jefferson County housing is segregated along racial lines. By assigning public school children to neighborhood schools, the result is that a number of schools are racially segregated.

Decessus

Well, obviously the problem here is that the housing is segregated, which I am not even going to ask about...

In that case, then, I can understand making a deliberate effort to integrate schools.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]Jefferson County housing is segregated along racial lines. By assigning public school children to neighborhood schools, the result is that a number of schools are racially segregated.

SpaceMoose

Well, obviously the problem here is that the housing is segregated, which I am not even going to ask about...

In that case, then, I can understand making a deliberate effort to integrate schools.

Indeed. I'm not sure why they are segregated though. The article that I read simply stated that "federal, state, and local government have all played roles in facilitating the segregation of housing in this country."(1)

It unfortunately does not go into any kind of detail of what role they have played.

Race should have nothing to do with it.. What should be a factor though is economic standing... Why should a child with wealth parents get in a school that a child with poor parents didn't when they had equal scores?

Honestly has any one seen how bad a inner city school can get? There has to be a balancer for college when public schools are not balanced what so ever.

sSubZerOo