Racism is not being handled properly!!!!!!

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#101 WildLIkeChild
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]Theres a differenc in calling someone a mean word, and threatening their and their families life. The fact that you made that comparison shows how much of a dumbass you are.... :|WildLIkeChild

It's all just words right?

Explain to me the difference. It's just speech, and I'm free to say whatever I want.

*Cough*

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#102 schoeffmaster
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[QUOTE="WildLIkeChild"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]Theres a differenc in calling someone a mean word, and threatening their and their families life. The fact that you made that comparison shows how much of a dumbass you are.... :|WildLIkeChild

It's all just words right?

Explain to me the difference. It's just speech, and I'm free to say whatever I want.

*Cough*

want a cup of water?
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#103 WildLIkeChild
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[QUOTE="WildLIkeChild"][QUOTE="WildLIkeChild"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]Theres a differenc in calling someone a mean word, and threatening their and their families life. The fact that you made that comparison shows how much of a dumbass you are.... :|schoeffmaster

It's all just words right?

Explain to me the difference. It's just speech, and I'm free to say whatever I want.

*Cough*

want a cup of water?

Yeah, I have something in my throat.

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#104 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="WildLIkeChild"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"]Theres a differenc in calling someone a mean word, and threatening their and their families life. The fact that you made that comparison shows how much of a dumbass you are.... :|WildLIkeChild

It's all just words right?

Explain to me the difference. It's just speech, and I'm free to say whatever I want.

*Cough*

Im not going to explain anything to you. Ive had these kinds of arguments before, and you just cant win with people like you so im not gonna even waste my time. For all intents and purposes, you won. Taa-daaa.

But if you really want a respons, its ****in 2007. We dont lynch blacks anymore, we dont refuse to give jobs to irish, and we dont lock up the japs at wartime. If you can honestly say to me that when somone calls another person a "cracker" or a "wetback" or n word in passing or when in a fight of words that they feel threatened, then fine Ill reconsider my standpoint. but i find it hard to beleive that in america, at least not the gang-ridden inner-city slums, someone seriously fits that criteria.....

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#105 schoeffmaster
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Here you go :D

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#106 WildLIkeChild
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schoeffmaster

Thank you!

And Jeff, you won't tell me the difference because there is none. It's words. You're response about us not lynching, ect.. doesn't explain anything.

And it can be very threatening to people. I can't show you how someone is feeling, but all I want you to do is think before you say it to a complete stranger.

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#107 Def_Jef88
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and your comparison to threatening people was completely irrelevant and you know it.... :|

Please dont expect me to respond to any more of your post. You refuse to make any sense at all....

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#108 ardylicious
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Any person that does a hate crime should be killed.

Any person that does a hate speech should serve 10 years in jail.

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

I mean seriously, I am so sick and tired of racism slipping throught the cracks. We need to eliminate it forever.

Im a cashier and Im tired of these stupid self righteous butt cracks putting the money on the table instead of my hand. And when I have to give them back their change they expect me to give the money in their hands. What a bunch of idiots!

The media is not helping at all, by reinforcing stereotypes, hardly EVER having inter-racial relationships in commercials, and those damn comedy shows. Lisa Lambinelli for some reason since shes dating a black man thinks she can say the n word? F that!

I am so tired of these stupid rappers too! Self degradingthemselves by throwing around the n word loosely. They deserve a punch to the face by reality.

Stupid sites like youtube, almost every video targeted to a black audience will have racist comments by idiots in it! Youtube doesnt even censor all racial slurs!!! Its as if they dont care!

See what I mean by racism slipping through the cracks?

What I really think is that a pretty powerful group of people DONT want racism abolished, because it could be.

In my WHOLE school career, none of my teachers really went in-depth about the times of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. Thank god I had a teacher that showed us REAL videos of what went on in the 1940s-1960s! It was so horrible! And I can hardly believe my dad was born in 1955!! Those vids really opened my eyes!

Im done. Thoughts???

C-o-L-o-U-r-S

What a pile of crap....Lets cease being human then. Moron

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#109 WildLIkeChild
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and your comparison to threatening people was completely irrelevant and you know it.... :|

Please dont expect me to respond to any more of your post. You refuse to make any sense at all....

Def_Jef88

You don't have to respond.

How is talking about free speech and saying I have the freedom to threaten someone with words(free speech) irrelevant?

Wait, I shouldn't ask a question, you won't answer. I'll just say they aren't. Discussing free speech when talking about free speech makes no sense obviously. My bad.

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#110 helium_flash
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Any person that does a hate speech should serve 10 years in jail.

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans

0_0 So should we also imprison islamic parents telling their kids to be islamic because of the suicide bombers in the middles east?

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#111 mig_killer2
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opinions shouldent' be banned.

by banning racism, you're sending a message to everyone in america "hey, you're too weak to live in a country with freedom"

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#112 nbtrap1212
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WildLikeChild:

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want. It simply means you have the right to an opinion, and you can't be punished for expressing it in a non-violent or non-threatening manner.

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#113 deactivated-583e5f64e0a7e
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I'm glad I live in a country where I can say and do what I want, without ludicrous repercussions you propose.
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#114 warriortyson
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I agree, racism is starting to be ignored. The only time youhear about racism is when there is something like the resident Evil 5 trailer, which I believe isn't very racist because the game is set in Africa.
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#115 supermetroidfan
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WildLikeChild:

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want. It simply means you have the right to an opinion, and you can't be punished for expressing it in a non-violent or non-threatening manner.

nbtrap1212

:|He never said it did. He was trying to make a point to Jeff.

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#116 quiglythegreat
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WildLikeChild:

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want. It simply means you have the right to an opinion, and you can't be punished for expressing it in a non-violent or non-threatening manner.

nbtrap1212
Aye, I suppose that is it, the issue is that people are very, very sensitive. I don't know about you, but I prefer to not be a subject of others' sensitivity.
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#117 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]

WildLikeChild:

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want. It simply means you have the right to an opinion, and you can't be punished for expressing it in a non-violent or non-threatening manner.

supermetroidfan

:|He never said it did. He was trying to make a point to Jeff.

I know that freedom of speech isnt a fail proof get out of jail free card, and that there are exceptions and what not. But that dude was making totally ludicrous comparisons, refusing to respond to my post, dodge the subject, and then accused me of it. i totally understand your point, but that guy was being an idiot....
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#118 Rhazakna
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So to stop racism, we should all become fascists. Yeah, that makes sense :roll:
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#119 nbtrap1212
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[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]

WildLikeChild:

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want. It simply means you have the right to an opinion, and you can't be punished for expressing it in a non-violent or non-threatening manner.

supermetroidfan

He never said it did. He was trying to make a point to Jeff.

Yes he did. His exact words: "It's just speech, and I'm free to say whatever I want."

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#120 mig_killer2
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So to stop racism, we should all become fascists. Yeah, that makes sense :roll:Rhazakna
thats the greatest idea since sliced bread!!! brilliant rhazakna!!!
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#121 nbtrap1212
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Def, I'm confused. I though I was on your side, but you don't seem to think so...?
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#122 Def_Jef88
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Def, I'm confused. I though I was on your side, but you don't seem to think so...?nbtrap1212
I wasnt talking about you, I was talking about Wilchild or whatever the **** his name was.
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#123 supermetroidfan
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[QUOTE="supermetroidfan"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]

WildLikeChild:

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want. It simply means you have the right to an opinion, and you can't be punished for expressing it in a non-violent or non-threatening manner.

nbtrap1212

He never said it did. He was trying to make a point to Jeff.

Yes he did. His exact words: "It's just speech, and I'm free to say whatever I want."

:|You're still missing the point. He never actually meant. Jef said he can call people whatever he wants cause it's just words or whatever. So WLC says something about threatening people's lives and asks what's the difference because they're just words. If he won't act upon what's the big deal.

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#124 nbtrap1212
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH. Wow, I really ****ed up. I'm gonna leave now...
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#125 Shrapnel99
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Your points don't make sense lol. People putting money on a table instead of your hand? I do that all the time, it's just easier. Btw, wash your hands.
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#126 CheddarLimbo
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Oh, wowz...there's a lot of quotings up in this piece.

Anyway, I think racism is an unpleasant fact of life, but while you can try to mitigate it with some kinds of legislation, slaying people for hating someone is swinging too far in the wrong direction.

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#127 Dante2710
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Any person that does a hate crime should be killed.

everyone who kills another person should be killed

Any person that does a hate speech should serve 10 years in jail.

no...people have the right to freedom of speech

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can raise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to raise their kids

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#128 TongHua
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Anyone ever notice the OP just left the thread when his logic got cornered?
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#129 Def_Jef88
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Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Dante2710
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...
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#130 mig_killer2
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what the hell is wrong with you people? thatsnot a rhetoricalquestion. what the hell is wrong with you.

the first amendment gives you the right to say whatever you want. NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION ARE YOU GIVEN A RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED

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#131 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Def_Jef88
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

that's only if the child is in danger, or you are hurting the child.
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#132 Dante2710
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[QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Def_Jef88
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

abusing ur kids is one thing....teaching them what u think its right or values...the government has no right to enforce that on u....
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#133 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

mig_killer2
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

that's only if the child is in danger, or you are hurting the child.

IMO, raising a kid to hate is hurting them. Its kinda what happens in, ya know, the middle east. Thats why its filled with those effin insane people who go around blowing themselves up. You cant reason with them, theyre fuelled by pure hate, hate that has been ingrained in them since the time they were borned.....
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#134 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Dante2710
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

abusing ur kids is one thing....teaching them what u think its right or values...the government has no right to enforce that on u....

If it could badly affect the kid ina mental or phycological way, of course they can.
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#135 Dante2710
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Def_Jef88
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

that's only if the child is in danger, or you are hurting the child.

IMO, raising a kid to hate is hurting them. Its kinda what happens in, ya know, the middle east. Thats why its filled with those effin insane people who go around blowing themselves up. You cant reason with them, theyre fuelled by pure hate, hate that has been ingrained in them since the time they were borned.....

wth....there are parents who raise their kids to be nazis and the government cant and isnt allow to do anything....its a believe....as much as u dont agree with their believes or way of leaving....u have to let them do what they want as long as there isnt anything againts the law...pure and simple
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#136 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Def_Jef88
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

abusing ur kids is one thing....teaching them what u think its right or values...the government has no right to enforce that on u....

If it could badly affect the kid ina mental or phycological way, of course they can.

they'd have to prove that first. so far, all you got to go on is your opinion
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#137 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Dante2710

Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

that's only if the child is in danger, or you are hurting the child.

IMO, raising a kid to hate is hurting them. Its kinda what happens in, ya know, the middle east. Thats why its filled with those effin insane people who go around blowing themselves up. You cant reason with them, theyre fuelled by pure hate, hate that has been ingrained in them since the time they were borned.....

wth....there are parents who raise their kids to be nazis and the government cant and isnt allow to do anything....its a believe....as much as u dont agree with their believes or way of leaving....u have to let them do what they want as long as there isnt anything againts the law...pure and simple

resounding agreement

"I disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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#138 Dante2710
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[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

Def_Jef88
Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

abusing ur kids is one thing....teaching them what u think its right or values...the government has no right to enforce that on u....

If it could badly affect the kid ina mental or phycological way, of course they can.

ohh please....some religions think being gay is a disease...they even have schools for people that are homosexuals, kind of like re-hab and the government doesnt do anything about either,,
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#139 nbtrap1212
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what the hell is wrong with you people? thatsnot a rhetoricalquestion. what the hell is wrong with you.

the first amendment gives you the right to say whatever you want. NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION ARE YOU GIVEN A RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED

mig_killer2

Like I said earlier (and you would've seen it had you read it), "freedom of speech" is the freedom to possess an opinion and express it in a non-violend and non-threatening manner - not a free pass to say whatever you wish.

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#140 nbtrap1212
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"I disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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And - pre 9/11 liberals...

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#141 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

what the hell is wrong with you people? thatsnot a rhetoricalquestion. what the hell is wrong with you.

the first amendment gives you the right to say whatever you want. NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION ARE YOU GIVEN A RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED

nbtrap1212

Like I said earlier (and you would've seen it had you read it), "freedom of speech" is the freedom to possess an opinion and express it in a non-violend and non-threatening manner - not a free pass to say whatever you wish.

non threatening. where in the constitution does it say that? oh, right, it doesn't. the only speech that is outlawed is speech "that poses a clear and present danger". racism doesn't pose a clear and present danger
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#142 OfficialJab
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Whites are one of the least racist of all. There are extreme examples of them, but for the most part going around the world and talking to other ethnicities will show you how backwards this is.

And that giving/receiving change thing is crazy, that happens to all customer service people no matter what colour they are, it looks like you're reaching for things to turn into acts of racism.

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#143 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]

Any person that has solid evidence of a parent raising their kids to be racist, the correct authorities will have the parents stripped of their parenting rights and the kids will be orphans.

umm no...parents can rise their kids however they want...government has no right to tell them how to rise their kids

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Im gonna have to stop you right there. Despite what you may think, you cant just raise your kid any ol way you want to. and if the government doesent like how your doing it, theyll come take your kid away...

abusing ur kids is one thing....teaching them what u think its right or values...the government has no right to enforce that on u....

If it could badly affect the kid ina mental or phycological way, of course they can.

ohh please....some religions think being gay is a disease...they even have schools for people that are homosexuals, kind of like re-hab and the government doesnt do anything about either,,

I think they should be able to, just like they should be able to in the case of the neo-nazis. and to an extent, they can. If the court declares that the parents are unfit, for any reason including the way they mentally raise their child, they can have their kids taken away, and for good reason.
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#144 Hewkii
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non threatening. where in the constitution does it say that? oh, right, it doesn't. the only speech that is outlawed is speech "that poses a clear and present danger". racism doesn't pose a clear and present dangermig_killer2
the second amendment only allows "arms", not weapons, no?
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#145 Headbanger88
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"Any person who commits a hate crime will be killed"

Yea, **** that Martin Luther King guy and his peaceful approach to racism. Eye for an eye, amirite?

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#146 nbtrap1212
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the only speech that is outlawed is speech "that poses a clear and present danger". racism doesn't pose a clear and present dangermig_killer2

i.e. You can't say whatever you want.

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#147 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]non threatening. where in the constitution does it say that? oh, right, it doesn't. the only speech that is outlawed is speech "that poses a clear and present danger". racism doesn't pose a clear and present dangerHewkii
the second amendment only allows "arms", not weapons, no?

funny you mentioned that

"arms" is the plural of arm. arm is the short term word for "armament" which is just a synonym for weapon

logic failed

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#148 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]non threatening. where in the constitution does it say that? oh, right, it doesn't. the only speech that is outlawed is speech "that poses a clear and present danger". racism doesn't pose a clear and present dangerHewkii
the second amendment only allows "arms", not weapons, no?

Correct me if im wrong, but arms are weapons right?
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#149 mig_killer2
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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]the only speech that is outlawed is speech "that poses a clear and present danger". racism doesn't pose a clear and present dangernbtrap1212

i.e. You can't say whatever you want.

because some speech does pose a "clear and present danger"
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#150 Hewkii
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Correct me if im wrong, but arms are weapons right? Def_Jef88
only if that's what you think arms mean. to some people, it could be fists. to others, any kind of weapon.