Looks like they're trying to give Israel a bad name. :S
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As if that's what Israel needs right now.Looks like they're trying to give Israel a bad name. :S
AjaxNeron
"White power, **** the *******"
I lol'd
MrPraline
Wow I hope the guy who said that was not really Jewish, if so there is something seriously wrong with the world.
They don't speak for all Israelis, but America can't just keep working with Israel. We also have to be open to talks with other nations.
You just have no idea what is going on in Israel and I have absolutely no clue where you heard those things, Those things you wrote are all lies, it wasn't like that at all. About the general opinion about Obama, I don't think most of the Israeli people hate Obama. Those guys on the video are just drunk and wanted a good laugh and their opinion are absolutely not the general opinion.[QUOTE="beomri"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
The hardliners after Ben-Gurion himself who wanted to conquer Lebenon, half of Jordan, and most of Egypt, makes up a large part of the government over there.. They spew propaganda over there all the time, its basically alot like the Cold War between the United States and the USSR.. Where Americans didn't quite understand their enemy, onlyt hat they were depraved evil human beings that had to be destroyed.. The hardliners goal is to make their neighboring countries as weak as humanly possible so they can do with them as they wish, the entire idea is no compromise and that if they wanted peace it would be on their terms and no compromise.. The United States having talks with these nations threatens Israel's suppose position in this matter with fears that they may start supporting their nieghbors.. Not to mention alot of these nieghbors want to disolve the country of Israel and recreate Palastine.. Which really will probably not go away for centuries.. Lets face it the creation of Israel was a awful thing for relations....
sSubZerOo
All lies? it was well documented that Ben-Gurion had asperations for such things.. Perhapes you should read up on some historians? May I suggest you read The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World by Avi Shlaim,,, Saying they are "all lies" and such is not gonna win a debate with out solid evidence.. I provided you reading material that goes into depth that Israel has numerous problems just like their Arab nieghbors, they arn't white angels.. And they have a questionable history to which the United States saw them as a pox to damn near possibly causing a World War when they pre-emptively invaded Egypt forcing Russia to issue threats on responding..
My evidence is that I live in Israel and I know what is going on and what was going on. Your evidence is a book written by a "new historian" who apparently wants to make Israel look bad. And just so you know, when Israel invaded Egypt in wars, we invaded in order to defend ourselves (Mivtza Kadesh was also encouraged by France) because Egypt signed with Jordan on attacking us with 2 fronts and they were aided by USSR which gave them weapons.That's pretty much all that can be said in regards to this thread.Well every country, wing, or community has some terrible folk. I won't judge their whole community based on that just as I'd hope they wouldn't do it to me.
duxup
Who cares? They're just a bunch of drunk people. They don't really have any say on the sitiuation.
According to Judaisim, Jews are supposed to take Israel, but not by force. So it's really Zionism's fault. (If that wasn't obvious.)
I support Palestine (not Hamas), but the supporters really do anything to make Israel evil.
You just have no idea what is going on in Israel and I have absolutely no clue where you heard those things, Those things you wrote are all lies, it wasn't like that at all. About the general opinion about Obama, I don't think most of the Israeli people hate Obama. Those guys on the video are just drunk and wanted a good laugh and their opinion are absolutely not the general opinion.beomri
All lies? it was well documented that Ben-Gurion had asperations for such things.. Perhapes you should read up on some historians? May I suggest you read The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World by Avi Shlaim,,, Saying they are "all lies" and such is not gonna win a debate with out solid evidence.. I provided you reading material that goes into depth that Israel has numerous problems just like their Arab nieghbors, they arn't white angels.. And they have a questionable history to which the United States saw them as a pox to damn near possibly causing a World War when they pre-emptively invaded Egypt forcing Russia to issue threats on responding..
My evidence is that I live in Israel and I know what is going on and what was going on. Your evidence is a book written by a "new historian" who apparently wants to make Israel look bad. And just so you know, when Israel invaded Egypt in wars, we invaded in order to defend ourselves (Mivtza Kadesh was also encouraged by France) because Egypt signed with Jordan on attacking us with 2 fronts and they were aided by USSR which gave them weapons. I see so that means if I live in the United States I am now a expert on all of historical accounts about the nation? NO, why don't you actually READ in to these things.. These historians are objective, the book has no bias on it and does not claim either side is justified etc etc.. I have no qualms with Israel I just despise the hardliner government that Ben-Gurion founded.. How bout the time they sort of bombed Beirut killing civilians? Did you know that the invasion in Egypt not only slaughtered their forces, but it forced USSR's hands.. Infact the United States didn't really like Israel intill the 80s when every other psuedo ally of theirs from Iraq, Iran, etc etc basically disregarded them.. So seriously spare me with the propaganda, Israel like every nation around there has serious problems.. And its hilarious that you some how think their "all lies".. Yeah we can trust some one who lives there, instead of historians who have been studying the issues all their lives..Well said Theo, and to add a bit, who cares? Any word out of any leaders mouth will piss someone off. If Obama helps in anyway establish a state/territory for Palestine that they are happy with, I think his Presidency will be well remembered. Of course no President has done it yet in 60 some odd years so I'm not holding my breath.Whenever I want a well-thought out, rational dialogue on politics and other extremely controversial matters with cool-headed and credentialed individuals, the first people I seek out are drunk college students.
Theokhoth
Israeli fratboys. I could care less what those racist idiots think. Their government is pure evil anyways and I don't understand why the West puts up with their crap. They are just as bad as any other in that area. They are persecuting the Palestineans and they hurt Lebanon majorly.
[QUOTE="beomri"]My evidence is that I live in Israel and I know what is going on and what was going on. Your evidence is a book written by a "new historian" who apparently wants to make Israel look bad. And just so you know, when Israel invaded Egypt in wars, we invaded in order to defend ourselves (Mivtza Kadesh was also encouraged by France) because Egypt signed with Jordan on attacking us with 2 fronts and they were aided by USSR which gave them weapons.sSubZerOo
I see so that means if I live in the United States I am now a expert on all of historical accounts about the nation? NO, why don't you actually READ in to these things.. These historians are objective, the book has no bias on it and does not claim either side is justified etc etc.. I have no qualms with Israel I just despise the hardliner government that Ben-Gurion founded.. How bout the time they sort of bombed Beirut killing civilians? Did you know that the invasion in Egypt not only slaughtered their forces, but it forced USSR's hands.. Infact the United States didn't really like Israel intill the 80s when every other psuedo ally of theirs from Iraq, Iran, etc etc basically disregarded them.. So seriously spare me with the propaganda, Israel like every nation around there has serious problems.. And its hilarious that you some how think their "all lies".. Yeah we can trust some one who lives there, instead of historians who have been studying the issues all their lives..
I can only tell you that there is that our government is not hardliners (the Nazis were hardliners and we are nothing like them), there are some political parties that are, but most of them are not. Although most of the political parties are stupid. And you should see the political state of Syria for example: In the last election the president received 95% of the voters because no-one is allowed to stand against him. So before you write propaganda against Israel, I think you should consider that there are countries that WANT war and Israel is not one of them.
The things I didn't like about your comments is that your making Israel look like an evil country whose sole purpose is to destroy all the arabs in the world....There are worse people in the world, I just received a PM telling me I'm a ****ing jew and to burn in hell.
P.S. USA did like us and supported us long before the 80's because they wanted Israel to be a Capitalist front in the middle east.
[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]We should definitely pull our funds out of Israel and stop funding their state sponsored war crimes in the Gaza Strip beomri
There are no war crimes
thank you for that totally supported and developed post.[QUOTE="beomri"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]We should definitely pull our funds out of Israel and stop funding their state sponsored war crimes in the Gaza Strip hamstergeddon
There are no war crimes
thank you for that totally supported and developed post. A UN committee went to check if there were war crimes because the Palestinians said that Israeli forces killed innocent people. The found that there were no war crimes from the side of Israel. The Israeli army is the most moral army in the world.[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Well said Theo, and to add a bit, who cares? Any word out of any leaders mouth will piss someone off. If Obama helps in anyway establish a state/territory for Palestine that they are happy with, I think his Presidency will be well remembered. Of course no President has done it yet in 60 some odd years so I'm not holding my breath. Getting pissed doesn't entitle someone to spew the statements made in this video. Secondly, this is not about who one should talk to for political discourse... it's about the public perception of the young adults in Israel. If these men and women are able to so easily made the statements they made, in a public setting... that's quite telling.Whenever I want a well-thought out, rational dialogue on politics and other extremely controversial matters with cool-headed and credentialed individuals, the first people I seek out are drunk college students.
btaylor2404
I love how we are taking this so seriously. I felt nothing during the video and had a good laugh cause hey they were just spewing BS anyway.
During that entire video I think I only heard one comment that wasn't complete drunken rabble...Let that be a lesson to them not to spout off whenever a microphone is in your face.
Hardly a fair representation of any country (think about how badly an interview like this would look at an American university in the deep south)
Still pretty funny how ignorant a lot of them were.
[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]We should definitely pull our funds out of Israel and stop funding their state sponsored war crimes in the Gaza Strip beomri
There are no war crimes
Torture.[QUOTE="beomri"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]We should definitely pull our funds out of Israel and stop funding their state sponsored war crimes in the Gaza Strip clembo1990
There are no war crimes
Torture. Israeli soldiers have never, during any war, tortured anyone. IDF is the most moral army in the world.[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="beomri"]Torture. Israeli soldiers have never, during any war, tortured anyone. IDF is the most moral army in the world. Military organizations are inherently immoral (Technically, killing people isn't a moral thing to do) because of the nature of their goals...You can't have a group of people who are trained to kill people and expect everyone to be a good person. Claiming that any army is the most moral in the world is completely ridiculous there will always be a small group of soldiers who will do bad things as with any organization.There are no war crimes
beomri
By those standards you can claim any military is moral...Russian,Georgian,American,Canadian,British,South African...
Israeli soldiers have never, during any war, tortured anyone. IDF is the most moral army in the world. Military organizations are inherently immoral (Technically, killing people isn't a moral thing to do) because of the nature of their goals...You can't have a group of people who are trained to kill people and expect everyone to be a good person. Claiming that any army is the most moral in the world is completely ridiculous there will always be a small group of soldiers who will do bad things as with any organization.[QUOTE="beomri"][QUOTE="clembo1990"] Torture.UnknownSniper65
By those standards you can claim any military is moral...Russian,Georgian,American,Canadian,British,South African...
plus most of the people killed inthe gaza strip were children and women[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="beomri"]Torture. Israeli soldiers have never, during any war, tortured anyone. IDF is the most moral army in the world. Wow. Yah right. Are you kidding me? Did you see what they did in Lebanon? Did you see what they did in Gaza last year? That's is the most dillusional statement I have read. What a joke.There are no war crimes
beomri
To think that will end up being Israel's future...... is frightening. I wouldn't be surprised to see this Arab-Israeli conflict go on for another generation. And I thought the young people were the ones who didn't hold grudges...Luminouslight
For another generation? Try another 2000 years. ;)
[QUOTE="Luminouslight"]To think that will end up being Israel's future...... is frightening. I wouldn't be surprised to see this Arab-Israeli conflict go on for another generation. And I thought the young people were the ones who didn't hold grudges...StrawberryHill
For another generation? Try another 2000 years. ;)
haha .. human.. :([QUOTE="Luminouslight"]To think that will end up being Israel's future...... is frightening. I wouldn't be surprised to see this Arab-Israeli conflict go on for another generation. And I thought the young people were the ones who didn't hold grudges...StrawberryHill
For another generation? Try another 2000 years. ;)
Some of them were Jewish-Americans in Israel (probably at a university)I'm sure you are all expert on the miltary acts of Israel and know about every soul killed. We didn't kill women and children in Gaza or Lebanon or in any place actually. And in Gaza strip Hammas was much less immoral than IDF. They hid in schools so the Israeli soldiers won't attack them (proof to their morrality) and to make it worse they boobytraped the schools with bombs, so it's them who killed their own people.
And also, I didn't say IDF is moral, I said it's the most moral.
[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="beomri"]Torture. Israeli soldiers have never, during any war, tortured anyone. IDF is the most moral army in the world. I never said that, I was just pointing out how ignorant that statement is in a general context. Only an emotional retard or a poorly confused mite would say that, I would hope he is neither and just being a sensationalist.There are no war crimes
beomri
Appeal to authority... never works.I'm sure you are all expert on the miltary acts of Israel and know about every soul killed. We didn't kill women and children in Gaza or Lebanon or in any place actually. And in Gaza strip Hammas was much less immoral than IDF. They hid in schools so the Israeli soldiers won't attack them (proof to their morrality) and to make it worse they boobytraped the schools with bombs, so it's them who killed their own people.
And also, I didn't say IDF is moral, I said it's the most moral.
beomri
How is the IDF any more moral than any other military...Most modern militaries don't target civilians anyway. I don't see how the IDF is any more moral than any other Western military.I'm sure you are all expert on the miltary acts of Israel and know about every soul killed. We didn't kill women and children in Gaza or Lebanon or in any place actually. And in Gaza strip Hammas was much less immoral than IDF. They hid in schools so the Israeli soldiers won't attack them (proof to their morrality) and to make it worse they boobytraped the schools with bombs, so it's them who killed their own people.
And also, I didn't say IDF is moral, I said it's the most moral.
beomri
I see that thrown around by Israelis a lot, but it doesn't have any fact behind it...they aren't any different than any military currently part of NATO...hell, even the Russians don't target civilians anymore.
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