Religion does more bad than good

[QUOTE="Choga"]

How about the Christianity that DESTROYED ancient European cultures to replace them with a barbaric and primitive semetic one? The Christianity that says "an eye for an eye" in one part of its book and "turn the other cheek" in the other part. The Christanity that encourages people to bow down and submit to a proto-hippy who died 2000 years ago. The Chrisianity that teaches people to love their enemies and be weak, instead of standing up for themselves and their folk. Christianity and Islam are just spinoffs of a more barbaric religion called Judaism. Again, I have no problem with these religions existing in their places of origin, but they have no place in western society.

LJS9502_basic

Which ancient European cultures were destroyed? The group that destroyed the most cultures was the Romans...and they were pagan.

Christianity teaches an eye for an eye is wrong. As for love your enemies...that is intended to not START conflict.

"Loving" the enemy involves meddling in their affairs. The 100% sure way to not start conflict is to not get involved at all.

[QUOTE="lupinelope"]Didn't the chuch say Galileo was wrong about the sun being the center of the solar system? Last I checked a lot of Christians don't believe in evolution which is the foundation of biology. Oh, and what about the issue of stem cell research. From what I gather Christianity has hindered science, not helped it.Dracargen

Then you don't gather much.

http://www.grisda.org/bclausen/papers/aid.htm

Got to go.

Humanity does more harm than good....by this thinking humanity should be erased.:|LJS9502_basic

They should :|.

How about the fact that the practice of age-old European traditions were outlawed because they were heathen? The vikins fought bravely against the Christian onslaught but they too eventually fell. So many pagan idols and places of worship were destroyed to be replaced with churches and such.

Choga

Vikings? NOT innocent victims but rather bloodthirsty. In what is now the UK and Ireland the Christian monestaries were constantly under attack from the Vikings killing and plundering.:|

I think I should change the title of the thread and tell people to talk about this specific case , I've created a mosnter of a thread.turgore

"Loving" the enemy involves meddling in their affairs. The 100% sure way to not start conflict is to not get involved at all.

TERMINAT0R1

How nice....I may scribble that on a bathroom wall...if only I knew what the point was...hmmm.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

How about the fact that the practice of age-old European traditions were outlawed because they were heathen? The vikins fought bravely against the Christian onslaught but they too eventually fell. So many pagan idols and places of worship were destroyed to be replaced with churches and such.

LJS9502_basic

Vikings? NOT innocent victims but rather bloodthirsty. In what is now the UK and Ireland the Christian monestaries were constantly under attack from the Vikings killing and plundering.:|

HA! Why do you think the vikings did this? Because EVERYONE was forced to convert by the sword. Such was the Christian law. Convert or die. The vikings simply took back what was theirs. And they are given too much credit for plundering and pillaging. What about all of the pagan idols and places of worship that were destroyed by the Christians? Of course that is all forgotten. Choga

Wrong. They did it for the money. The religious artifacts were worth money. Sorry...but what you said is not true in the least.

Wasn't religious but greed on the part of the Vikings. I'd suggest a history book or two.

[QUOTE="TERMINAT0R1"]

"Loving" the enemy involves meddling in their affairs. The 100% sure way to not start conflict is to not get involved at all.

LJS9502_basic

How nice....I may scribble that on a bathroom wall...if only I knew what the point was...hmmm.

I may scribble something about religion on a bathroom wall... if only they all weren't conspicuous nonsense and irrationality.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

How about the fact that the practice of age-old European traditions were outlawed because they were heathen? The vikins fought bravely against the Christian onslaught but they too eventually fell. So many pagan idols and places of worship were destroyed to be replaced with churches and such.

LJS9502_basic

Vikings? NOT innocent victims but rather bloodthirsty. In what is now the UK and Ireland the Christian monestaries were constantly under attack from the Vikings killing and plundering.:|

Revenge ?

Look at this video :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eAmMcBQavKE . If they were soo blodthirsty how did the peacefull Christians conquered them ?

I may scribble something about religion on a bathroom wall... if only they all weren't conspicuous nonsense and irrationality.

TERMINAT0R1

Still doesn't make a point dude.:|

no one is right no matter what they believe... no one is right in claiming their belief as the "correct" one. we're ALL wrong...

/argument

Revenge?

Look at this video :. If they were soo blodthirsty how did the peacefull Christians conquered them ?

turgore

I'll stick to history books not youtube. The Vikings that attacked the UK and Ireland were not subdued.

[QUOTE="turgore"]

Revenge?

Look at this video :. If they were soo blodthirsty how did the peacefull Christians conquered them ?

LJS9502_basic

I'll stick to history books not youtube. The Vikings that attacked the UK and Ireland were not subdued.

Every nation attacked someone .

[QUOTE="Choga"]HA! Why do you think the vikings did this? Because EVERYONE was forced to convert by the sword. Such was the Christian law. Convert or die. The vikings simply took back what was theirs. And they are given too much credit for plundering and pillaging. What about all of the pagan idols and places of worship that were destroyed by the Christians? Of course that is all forgotten. LJS9502_basic

Wrong. They did it for the money. The religious artifacts were worth money. Sorry...but what you said is not true in the least.

Wasn't religious but greed on the part of the Vikings. I'd suggest a history book or two.

Of course like most people you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to vikings and Christian tyranny. Why is it that the nordics were a peaceful people up until the time of Christianization? If these people were so "greedy" why didn't they have a long history of pillaging and plundering? Just as I thought.

The people of Europe were forced to convert by the sword, weather you want to admit that or not. The nordics however fought back, and many Christians are still bitter about this today.

Of course like most people you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to vikings and Christian tyranny. Why is it that the nordics were a peaceful people up until the time of Christianization? If these people were so "greedy" why didn't they have a long history of pillaging and plundering? Just as I thought.

The people of Europe were forced to convert by the sword, weather you want to admit that or not. The nordics however fought back, and many Christians are still bitter about this today.

Choga

As a matter of fact I do. I studied Celtic history and by extension the history I'm talking about. It's clear you haven't. These monks were not leaving their monestaries. The Vikings came every year at about the same time and attacked the UK/Ireland. Eventually some settled. It was a bloodthirsty time and as I said....I recommend you pick up a history book. It's pointless discussing this with you as you have no knowledge and just want to push your agenda.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Bigotry (and the people who spout it) need to die.

You're first, TC.

turgore

When I went to church not to long ago ( I did it to make my parents happy) all I heard was blah-blah-blah we were persecuted , blah-blah-blah if you die for your faith you go to heaven , blah-blah-blah the end of the world is coming !!!! yet they conveninetly forgot to mention how they killed millions of non christians or the laws of the church in the middle age that killed so many people that were considered "odd"

I'm agnostic. I believe ina higher being, but I am against organized religion. Organized religion is not what it should be. It should be a way to bring beleivers together and spread the message of God's love, not tell them what to do and spread hatred.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Of course like most people you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to vikings and Christian tyranny. Why is it that the nordics were a peaceful people up until the time of Christianization? If these people were so "greedy" why didn't they have a long history of pillaging and plundering? Just as I thought.

The people of Europe were forced to convert by the sword, weather you want to admit that or not. The nordics however fought back, and many Christians are still bitter about this today.

LJS9502_basic

As a matter of fact I do. I studied Celtic history and by extension the history I'm talking about. It's clear you haven't. These monks were not leaving their monestaries. The Vikings came every year at about the same time and attacked the UK/Ireland. Eventually some settled. It was a bloodthirsty time and as I said....I recommend you pick up a history book. It's pointless discussing this with you as you have no knowledge and just want to push your agenda.

You're still forgetting all of the pagan idols that were destroyed. And the fact that you had to convert or die. Like I said, if the Nordics are so evil and greedy, why is it that they never had a prior history of pillaging and plundring? Answer that. Tell me why Christians felt the need to outlaw age of European traditions and replace them with Semetic ones. Your arguement that the Nordics were greedy has no basis. And you keep avoiding my questions.

You're still forgetting all of the pagan idols that were destroyed. And the fact that you had to convert or die. Like I said, if the Nordics are so evil and greedy, why is it that they never had a prior history of pillaging and plundring? Answer that. Tell me why Christians felt the need to outlaw age of European traditions and replace them with Semetic ones. Your arguement that the Nordics were greedy has no basis. And you keep avoiding my questions.

Choga

They did.:|

Wow, that is harsh. Is there a Muhammed Patrol of some kind, because this isn't the kind of story that makes its way into news outlets unless someone makes it. And religion should never have been born. Its quite possibly the largest motive for violence, yet we don't see many extremist douchebags preaching that religion should be banned. We have our Jack Thompsons and Hillary Clintons and Columbine Figureheads, but nobody pushing for the destruction of religion.Video_Game_King

Technically...religion isn't the problem, certain religions are. You've never heard of a Buddhist crusade or an opressice Ba'hai monarchy.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

You're still forgetting all of the pagan idols that were destroyed. And the fact that you had to convert or die. Like I said, if the Nordics are so evil and greedy, why is it that they never had a prior history of pillaging and plundring? Answer that. Tell me why Christians felt the need to outlaw age of European traditions and replace them with Semetic ones. Your arguement that the Nordics were greedy has no basis. And you keep avoiding my questions.

LJS9502_basic

They did.:|

Avoiding my questions again. And please tell me all of the people the Nordics waged war on PRIOR to the era of Christianization This should be interesting.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Wow, that is harsh. Is there a Muhammed Patrol of some kind, because this isn't the kind of story that makes its way into news outlets unless someone makes it. And religion should never have been born. Its quite possibly the largest motive for violence, yet we don't see many extremist douchebags preaching that religion should be banned. We have our Jack Thompsons and Hillary Clintons and Columbine Figureheads, but nobody pushing for the destruction of religion.The_Ish

Technically...religion isn't the problem, certain religions are. You've never heard of a Buddhist crusade or an opressice Ba'hai monarchy.

You are absolutely right . you also didn't really hear of native indian crusades . there are certain religions that are peaceful and do a good job and certain religions that claim to be peaceful but are not.

[QUOTE="TERMINAT0R1"]

I may scribble something about religion on a bathroom wall... if only they all weren't conspicuous nonsense and irrationality.

LJS9502_basic

Still doesn't make a point dude.:|

Ok, then you're a dunce.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Wow, that is harsh. Is there a Muhammed Patrol of some kind, because this isn't the kind of story that makes its way into news outlets unless someone makes it. And religion should never have been born. Its quite possibly the largest motive for violence, yet we don't see many extremist douchebags preaching that religion should be banned. We have our Jack Thompsons and Hillary Clintons and Columbine Figureheads, but nobody pushing for the destruction of religion.turgore

Technically...religion isn't the problem, certain religions are. You've never heard of a Buddhist crusade or an opressice Ba'hai monarchy.

You are absolutely right . you also didn't really hear of native indian crusades . there are certain religions that are peaceful and do a good job and certain religions that claim to be peaceful but are not.

Avoiding my questions again. And please tell me all of the people the Nordics waged war on PRIOR to the era of Christianization This should be interesting.

Choga

Well...

Read

And

This

This negates your premisel

Quick starters that are the opposite of what you've stated. Can't put my books on line.

Ok, then you're a dunce.

TERMINAT0R1

Ad hominem attacks do not a case make.

[QUOTE="Choga"]

Avoiding my questions again. And please tell me all of the people the Nordics waged war on PRIOR to the era of Christianization This should be interesting.

LJS9502_basic

Well...

ReadThis supports my statement that the vikings were NOT just bloodthirsty mongrels. Nice one.

And Again supports my view of Vikings NOT being just crazy pillagers.

ThisAccording to all of your previous statements (in other threads) wikipedia is not a reliable source :D

This negates your premisel I get an error on this site for some reason. It says that area of the site is under construction.

Quick starters that are the opposite of what you've stated. Can't put my books on line.

You still have not answered my questions about the destroyed pagan idols and places of worship. And the Christian forced conversion throughout Europe.

Turning the other cheek and loving your enemies is most definetally weakness.

Wow. What an ignorant comment.