Remove "under god" from the Pledge of Allegiance?

Anyone else thing they should remove "under god" from the Pledge of Allegiance? I mean, it wasn't added in until the 1950's during the McCarthy era, so why should it be there now? Especially when the country was founded on the fact that religion isn't a required part of American life.olion

It just all depends on your view of constitutional, remember the constitution was created several hundreds of years ago when there were no such thing as nuclear weapons, biological weapons, terrorist sleeper cells, massive economy, wide spread drug smuggling/dealing, etc. Everything must evolve to survive, and so must the constitution.Montaya

Ummm, what?

I really could care less either way.. IN the end I simply do not care for it and wouldn't do the pledge of allegiance to begin with.. I show my alligiance by living in the country, paying taxs, voting, abiding the law, and show willingness to commit to th country if there were a draft.. Hell I am even thinking of possibly enlisting..

It just all depends on your view of constitutional, remember the constitution was created several hundreds of years ago when there were no such thing as nuclear weapons, biological weapons, terrorist sleeper cells, massive economy, wide spread drug smuggling/dealing, etc. Everything must evolve to survive, and so must the constitution.Montaya

Well, I'm an atheist and I see no reason to be offended by this. Hell, that's what I love about atheism; I don't have any religion to get pissed off about, and I don't need to worry about going to hell if I salute someone elses God. Just calm down people, no one even stands up for the flag much less recites "under God" (At least at my school) I don't think there's any problem.darkmoney52

I think its more to the point of hypocrisy many people on the opposite side of the spectrum take this.. Take for instance movies, where ones like the Golden Compass wanted to be snuffed out.. Because the main point of the movie/books was a quest to kill god.. There was a huge controversy, huge boycott.. Many wanted to ban the movie who had religious backrounds...

Now lets take for instance The Green Mile, or the many other movies out there that protray a similar idea ont he belief of god through religion... I don't see athiests boycotting the movie or getting immensely upset.. INfact most athiests would enjoy the movie regardless of its undertones.. There is the hypocrisy I see in my eyes.. Now this is of course not pertain to all Christians or religious followers.. But this would be the only real reason why I would be annoyed with the pledge, just to show how rediculous some of these people are.. But in the end who cares..

This nation was founded on God.A_Tarkovsky

[QUOTE="Montaya"]It just all depends on your view of constitutional, remember the constitution was created several hundreds of years ago when there were no such thing as nuclear weapons, biological weapons, terrorist sleeper cells, massive economy, wide spread drug smuggling/dealing, etc. Everything must evolve to survive, and so must the constitution.olion

Ummm, what?

Ya know, the the US constitution thingy that was adobted by the US in 1787 which was, " several hundred years ago " and some...

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Well, I'm an atheist and I see no reason to be offended by this. Hell, that's what I love about atheism; I don't have any religion to get pissed off about, and I don't need to worry about going to hell if I salute someone elses God. Just calm down people, no one even stands up for the flag much less recites "under God" (At least at my school) I don't think there's any problem.sSubZerOo

I think its more to the point of hypocrisy many people on the opposite side of the spectrum take this.. Take for instance movies, where ones like the Golden Compass wanted to be snuffed out.. Because the main point of the movie/books was a quest to kill god.. There was a huge controversy, huge boycott.. Many wanted to ban the movie who had religious backrounds...

Now lets take for instance The Green Mile, or the many other movies out there that protray a similar idea ont he belief of god through religion... I don't see athiests boycotting the movie or getting immensely upset.. INfact most athiests would enjoy the movie regardless of its undertones.. There is the hypocrisy I see in my eyes.. Now this is of course not pertain to all Christians or religious followers.. But this would be the only real reason why I would be annoyed with the pledge, just to show how rediculous some of these people are.. But in the end who cares..

So what you're saying is that you want us atheists to be MORE like those crazy-ass christians who boycott Harry Potter?

What religion does the Pledge of Allegiance advance or hinder? I've talked to many athesist that say that atheism is not a religion but rather a form of thought.

CuDDKiDD

These words will remind Americans that despite our great physical strength we must remain humble. They will help us to keep constantly in our minds and hearts the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man, and upon which our way of life is founded.Dwight D Eisenhower

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Well, I'm an atheist and I see no reason to be offended by this. Hell, that's what I love about atheism; I don't have any religion to get pissed off about, and I don't need to worry about going to hell if I salute someone elses God. Just calm down people, no one even stands up for the flag much less recites "under God" (At least at my school) I don't think there's any problem.darkmoney52

I think its more to the point of hypocrisy many people on the opposite side of the spectrum take this.. Take for instance movies, where ones like the Golden Compass wanted to be snuffed out.. Because the main point of the movie/books was a quest to kill god.. There was a huge controversy, huge boycott.. Many wanted to ban the movie who had religious backrounds...

Now lets take for instance The Green Mile, or the many other movies out there that protray a similar idea ont he belief of god through religion... I don't see athiests boycotting the movie or getting immensely upset.. INfact most athiests would enjoy the movie regardless of its undertones.. There is the hypocrisy I see in my eyes.. Now this is of course not pertain to all Christians or religious followers.. But this would be the only real reason why I would be annoyed with the pledge, just to show how rediculous some of these people are.. But in the end who cares..

So what you're saying is that you want us atheists to be MORE like those crazy-ass christians who boycott Harry Potter?

Not at all, I think the only reason why you would care about pledge of the alligance with under god line is simply to spite these people who do rediculous things like that.

Its fine as it is.Cube_of_MooN

You don't have to say it, if you don't want to. Should we remove all the "God" from our money as well?CommanderShiro

Yes, we should.

I don't see any point in creating a situation where someone is singled out because they don't want to say the pledge due to the "god" word.

I honestly don't see what the big issue is. Half the country dosen't say it and the other half that does dosen't care. If you're really offended that it has that in there you probably you should just stay locked up in you're house because everything's going to offend you. artichoke

I honestly don't see what the big issue is. Half the country dosen't say it and the other half that does dosen't care. If you're really offended that it has that in there you probably you should just stay locked up in you're house because everything's going to offend you. artichoke

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Just leave it as it is. God, I hate political correctness. Look what it did to Chri...err the holidays. :roll:

CptJSparrow

what they meant about having the separation from church and state is not to have something like the pope ruling. that's all nothing more nothing less. leave it at that. the ten commandments are the base of every lawsistem in the world.

Anyone else thing they should remove "under god" from the Pledge of Allegiance? I mean, it wasn't added in until the 1950's during the McCarthy era, so why should it be there now? Especially when the country was founded on the fact that religion isn't a required part of American life.olion

1.) It's not "god". It's "God". There is a sizable difference between the 2.

2.) No, I don't think it should be removed.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

Just leave it as it is. God, I hate political correctness. Look what it did to Chri...err the holidays. :roll:

jlh47

what they meant about having the separation from church and state is not to have something like the pope ruling. that's all nothing more nothing less. leave it at that. the ten commandments are the base of every lawsistem in the world.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

Just leave it as it is. God, I hate political correctness. Look what it did to Chri...err the holidays. :roll:

CptJSparrow

what they meant about having the separation from church and state is not to have something like the pope ruling. that's all nothing more nothing less. leave it at that. the ten commandments are the base of every lawsistem in the world.

A few court cases: Walz v. Tax Commission, 397 U.S. 664, 668 (1970) No sponsorship, financial support, or active involvement of the sovereign in religious activity. Board of Education v. Allen, 392 U.S. 236, 243 (Upheld second prong of the Lemon Test found in Lemon v. Kurtzman) Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. 577 Constitution guarantees, "at a minimum," the government -- including the state and public schools -- may not coerce anyone to support or participate in religion or act in a way that establishes a state relilgion or state faith, or "tends to do so." (C.f. Establishment clause: "respects an establishment..." as opposed to "ordains a state church") Board of Regents... v. Southworth, 529 U.S. Minority candidates will not ever prevail if a majoritarian vote is held to try and avoid conflict with the establishment clause. Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) "Government-directed prayer in public schools, even if it is denominationally neutral and non-mandatory, violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment." Rosenberger v. Rector and Visitors of the University of Virginia, 515 U.S. 819 (1995) "The University's denying funds available to other student publications, but not to a publication produced from a religious viewpoint, violates the First Amendment's guaratee of free speech. The University's assertion that the exclusion was necessary to avoid violating the Establishment Clause lacked merit because the funds were apportioned neutrally to any group meeting certain criteria that requested the funds." (C.f. Santa Fe Independent School District's medium was not in the public forum) Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296 (1940) Connecticut statue requiring licenses for religious solicitation violated the Free Exercise Clause of the 1st Amendment, applicable to the states by the Fourteenth Amendment. Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe 530 U.S., 290 (2000) C.f. Lee v. Weisman (This case involved a school board having students vote on whether or not there should be prayer before sports events, and then to vote on who should lead the prayer. The Court deemed that minority religions would never win, upheld the previous decision that it was a coercion, forcing students such as team players and cheer leaders to inter an "unacceptable position of either proclaiming religious beliefs they don't share or publicly protesting.") - coerces, as it the arguments presented by the School District that their decision was constitutional due to the student body voting failed because they are not unanimous and minorities would never win. - had the purpose of respecting an establishment of religionCptJSparrow

i'm talking about the FOUNDING FATHERS not the bigots that were in office then...

i'm talking about the FOUNDING FATHERS not the bigots that were in office then...

jlh47

Moreover, show me: 1. All of the law systems in the world based on "having no other gods before me." If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 2. All of the law systems in thew world based on not "using God's name in vain." If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 3. All of the law systems in the world based on proscribing idolatry. If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 4. All of the law systems in the world based on not working on Sundays. If there are any exceptions, you are wrong.CptJSparrow

i said they are BASED on the Ten Commandments. not ARE the Ten Commandments. and on number 4... Sunday isn't the sabbath... no one really knows... in the middle east you can kill your wife if they cheat on you. everywhere else you can sue them. once again i said BASED...

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

i'm talking about the FOUNDING FATHERS not the bigots that were in office then...

CptJSparrow

the Founding Fathers were Christians... except for thomas jefferson and he even said that he believed there was some sort of entity...

I say it doesn't matter because when the hell does anyone say the pledge of allegiance?

I don't even know it =/

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Moreover, show me: 1. All of the law systems in the world based on "having no other gods before me." If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 2. All of the law systems in thew world based on not "using God's name in vain." If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 3. All of the law systems in the world based on proscribing idolatry. If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 4. All of the law systems in the world based on not working on Sundays. If there are any exceptions, you are wrong.jlh47

i said they are BASED on the Ten Commandments. not ARE the Ten Commandments. and on number 4... Sunday isn't the sabbath... no one really knows... in the middle east you can kill your wife if they cheat on you. everywhere else you can sue them. once again i said BASED...

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

i'm talking about the FOUNDING FATHERS not the bigots that were in office then...

jlh47

the Founding Fathers were Christians... except for thomas jefferson and he even said that he believed there was some sort of entity...

Eh. I don't really give a damn. ninjacat11

For me, it's not that I don't give a damn, but there are many issues more deserving of attention before this one.

No. I think its terrible to get rid of something just because some of the minorities.ice_radon

You sure you don't want to reword that... just a little bit?

could not care less... seriously.. there's bigger issues to deal with..

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Moreover, show me: 1. All of the law systems in the world based on "having no other gods before me." If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 2. All of the law systems in thew world based on not "using God's name in vain." If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 3. All of the law systems in the world based on proscribing idolatry. If there are any exceptions, you are wrong. 4. All of the law systems in the world based on not working on Sundays. If there are any exceptions, you are wrong.CptJSparrow

i said they are BASED on the Ten Commandments. not ARE the Ten Commandments. and on number 4... Sunday isn't the sabbath... no one really knows... in the middle east you can kill your wife if they cheat on you. everywhere else you can sue them. once again i said BASED...

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

i'm talking about the FOUNDING FATHERS not the bigots that were in office then...

jlh47

the Founding Fathers were Christians... except for thomas jefferson and he even said that he believed there was some sort of entity...

read the declaration of independence... there's refrences to God everywhere... and freedom of religion. and the bigots are the ones who keep making amendments to the constitution. and BASED doesn't mean word for word that's why it's called BASED OK? like saving private ryan is BASED on a true story.

No. I think its terrible to get rid of something just because some of the minorities.ice_radon

read the declaration of independence... there's refrences to God everywhere... and freedom of religion.jlh47

and the bigots are the ones who keep making amendments to the constitution.

and BASED doesn't mean word for word that's why it's called BASED OK? like saving private ryan is BASED on a true story.

[QUOTE="jlh47"]read the declaration of independence... there's refrences to God everywhere... and freedom of religion.CptJSparrow

and the bigots are the ones who keep making amendments to the constitution.

and BASED doesn't mean word for word that's why it's called BASED OK? like saving private ryan is BASED on a true story.

it was jointly written. Thomas Jefferson just narrated it.

[QUOTE="ice_radon"]No. I think its terrible to get rid of something just because some of the minorities.ShuLordLiuPei