Republicans?

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

It does seem like they try to use "liberal" as a demeaning insult, but the other side doesn't really do that much with "conservative."

Hoobinator

There's so much hypocrisy within the republican camp it's untrue, especially from those that profess to be religious and Christians and republicans. The fact is the people they denigrate by labelling "liberal" through their actions are probably much closer to the teachings of Jesus as set out in the New Testament than their own "conservative" ideas.

And then you've got their war mongering attitude, and they lace their arguments by bringing God into it. I thought being a religious extremist was wrong? or is fighting in the name of Jesus OK, but everyone else around the world bad, bad, bad.

stereotyping ftl...

you should know better hoobinator, come on i thought you were more mature than that. you're stating only the things that the far right republicans say... tisk tisk..

Yeah, I did mention far-right though, to distinguish them from mainstream repubicans. I didn't stereotype the whole party or its electorate.

I recommend you re-read your first post.:roll:

"lol, Republicans :lol: most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters. . ."

Things liberals want:

higher taxes. (awesome.. take more money out of my paycheck).

progressive tax. that means, rich pay a higher percentage in taxes than poor people. (cool, so because I make more money than a poor person, I get penalized for it, while the poor person gets rewarded for being poor. Awesome.)

No war. (that's great in concept. But, you HAVE to be tough on threats. No other option.)

Gun control. (Has never ever worked. Criminals who get guns get them illegally anyway.. nothing will change. It will only increase the black market of getting guns, while honest citizens will not have a way to protect themselves against the criminals who will get guns no matter what. Brilliant.)

Abortion. (Let's ask the unborn child about this one.)

Birth control and condoms in schools. (yes, all schools.. middle school, etc.)

Torture in military. (This one is understandable.. I however think it is necessary to get information to protect this country.)

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

DivergeUnify

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Yeah you're right, the US will get bankrupt long before then.

It was a figure of speech. :|

And yes there has. Although it was sporadic, i.e. off again - on again. So history has proved you wrong.

I actually find great similarities like the US war on terror is sporadic, being fought on again - off again over various countries.

And the Hundred Years war lasted 116 years. :|

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

It does seem like they try to use "liberal" as a demeaning insult, but the other side doesn't really do that much with "conservative."

Dracargen

There's so much hypocrisy within the republican camp it's untrue, especially from those that profess to be religious and Christians and republicans. The fact is the people they denigrate by labelling "liberal" through their actions are probably much closer to the teachings of Jesus as set out in the New Testament than their own "conservative" ideas.

And then you've got their war mongering attitude, and they lace their arguments by bringing God into it. I thought being a religious extremist was wrong? or is fighting in the name of Jesus OK, but everyone else around the world bad, bad, bad.

stereotyping ftl...

you should know better hoobinator, come on i thought you were more mature than that. you're stating only the things that the far right republicans say... tisk tisk..

Yeah, I did mention far-right though, to distinguish them from mainstream repubicans. I didn't stereotype the whole party or its electorate.

I recommend you re-read your first post.:roll:

"lol, Republicans :lol: most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters. . ."

Yeah I should have made more direct mention to far-right republicans. My mistake. But if you read my posts they are directed mostly at far-right republicans.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

Hoobinator

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="the_leet_kid"]

It does seem like they try to use "liberal" as a demeaning insult, but the other side doesn't really do that much with "conservative."

sSubZerOo

There's so much hypocrisy within the republican camp it's untrue, especially from those that profess to be religious and Christians and republicans. The fact is the people they denigrate by labelling "liberal" through their actions are probably much closer to the teachings of Jesus as set out in the New Testament than their own "conservative" ideas.

And then you've got their war mongering attitude, and they lace their arguments by bringing God into it. I thought being a religious extremist was wrong? or is fighting in the name of Jesus OK, but everyone else around the world bad, bad, bad.

stereotyping ftl...

you should know better hoobinator, come on i thought you were more mature than that. you're stating only the things that the far right republicans say... tisk tisk..

I don't agree with Hob either.. But one thing that is disconcerting is how much the evangelical movement is growing.. And they fully support the Republican party.. With things like wanting to go agains tthe constiution and injecting religion into public schools, some even want to outlaw birth control.. This isn't every body but its a constant growing power in the neo conservative side of the Republican party.. That does give me a little fear that some of these thigns may happen if the numbers grow.. But then again who knows, extremely liberal groups like PETA are just as scary but fortantely they arn't growing in numers.

i live in the Bible belt and most of my friends don't support bush or the war. I support bush cause he's the president, we need to get out of iraq, but we have to make sore we don't just rush out and leave them defenceless. extreme left is growing just as fast as the extreme right. in the south it's to the right more but int he north it's the left more.. we're becoming more and more polarized, that's what's scaring me... we could be on the brink of another civil war..

Yeah I should have made more direct mention to far-right republicans. My mistake. But if you read my posts they are directed mostly at far-right republicans.

Hoobinator

It is blatantly obvious that your first post, along with most of your posts after that, were directed toward most or all Republicans, hypocrite.:roll:

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

Hoobinator

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Yeah you're right, the US will get bankrupt long before then.

It was a figure of speech. :|

And yes there has. Although it was sporadic, i.e. off again - on again. So history has proved you wrong.

I actually find great similarities like the US war on terror is sporadic, being fought on again - off again over various countries.

And the Hundred Years war lasted 116 years. :|

In other news, the Korean war is coming close to the 58th anniversary of fighting

To comment on the actual topic:

The only kind of republicans I despise is the hypocritical pro-lifers who support the death penalty and the militaristic "if you don't like it then get the **** out" ones.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

The_Mac_Daddy

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

Things liberals want:

higher taxes. (awesome.. take more money out of my paycheck).

We pay significant lower taxs then the majority of the western nations..

progressive tax. that means, rich pay a higher percentage in taxes than poor people. (cool, so because I make more money than a poor person, I get penalized for it, while the poor person gets rewarded for being poor. Awesome.)

I am middle class.. But if I were upper class I honestly wouldn't have a problem.. taking 20 million from a 40 million pay is not going to kill you.. Nor is it going ot make your life hard.. Nor is it going to rob you of really anything.. The point being is you are extremely well off in the top 1% of the worlds population and will live comfortably there for a long time.. I my self have no problem paying taxs because i understand what its towards to.. Which could be better in the long run, such as better public schools..

No war. (that's great in concept. But, you HAVE to be tough on threats. No other option.)

Democrats are not against war.. This is a blantent over generalization.. As a moderate that leans alittle more to the democrat side.. We are for just and meaningful wars.. Iraq war for instance is not one of those.

Gun control. (Has never ever worked. Criminals who get guns get them illegally anyway.. nothing will change. It will only increase the black market of getting guns, while honest citizens will not have a way to protect themselves against the criminals who will get guns no matter what. Brilliant.)

Agreed, I honestly don't care either way though.

Abortion. (Let's ask the unborn child about this one.)

Abortion has been legal for years, and it has been seen constitutional.. Its about giving the woman the right to do with her body with what she wants.

Birth control and condoms in schools. (yes, all schools.. middle school, etc.)

Hey news flash teaching abstience failed miserably.. If you want to see a great example.. Look at central america.. Due to the genious of Catholics.. They thought teaching safe sex was wrong,a nd absitnce was correct then to do.. What happened? Birth rate, and STD spread dramatically increase.. Your point fails miserably in the eyes of real life statistics.

Torture in military. (This one is understandable.. I however think it is necessary to get information to protect this country.)

Torture in the military has not had a single research study showing it as a affective method of interogation.. For one besides violating human rights, the person is just as likely to scream something false as the truth just to make the pain stop.. Even then this is to assume they have the right person.. Which Abu Gharib is proof that is odviously not the case.. torture should not be allowed..

The_Mac_Daddy

To comment on the actual topic:

The only kind of republicans I despise is the hypocritical pro-lifers who support the death penalty and the militaristic "if you don't like it then get the **** out" ones.

jointed

I actually never understood that. I'm against abortion and I'm agaisnt the death penalty.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

DivergeUnify

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Yeah you're right, the US will get bankrupt long before then.

It was a figure of speech. :|

And yes there has. Although it was sporadic, i.e. off again - on again. So history has proved you wrong.

I actually find great similarities like the US war on terror is sporadic, being fought on again - off again over various countries.

And the Hundred Years war lasted 116 years. :|

In other news, the Korean war is coming close to the 58th anniversary of fighting

The total time was over a century, that was what I was referring to. And again all this is a pedantic discussion since my initial statement of fighting for a century was only a figure a speech used to highlight the very long nature of the way modern wars could play out to. :| It was never meant to mean a full hundred years of war, since I like you have no idea how long this or future wars may last.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

Hoobinator

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

They are not about to retake anything that the U.S. military has already taken. You are so gullible. There are reports of how many U.S. soldiers get killed, tand the bad things that happen, yet they NEVER EVER mention the hundreds we kill each day and the good things we have accomplished.

To comment on the actual topic:

The only kind of republicans I despise is the hypocritical pro-lifers who support the death penalty and the militaristic "if you don't like it then get the **** out" ones.

jointed

Unborn children have never committed a crime deserving of the death penalty.

Serial murderers have.

There you go.

As for the "get out if you don't like it" ones, I only do that to people who piss and moan constantly about how America is such a horrible country and we are like Nazi Germany and wah wah wah. . . .then they go home and live under the Constitution like nothig ever happened.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

The_Mac_Daddy

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

They are not about to retake anything that the U.S. military has already taken. You are so gullible. There are reports of how many U.S. soldiers get killed, tand the bad things that happen, yet they NEVER EVER mention the hundreds we kill each day and the good things we have accomplished.

Its not that the US military is tryign to hold it.. And it doesn't matter how many we kill, from what we have seen there are plenty who are willing to take their place.. Infact there are studies showing that terrorist have increased in numbers sense the invasion in Iraq rather then lower in numbers.. We havn't accomplished anything yet.. One can only hope and pray what we have left is going to work.. But it looks doubtful at least in my mind.

The total time was over a century, that was what I was referring to. And again all this is a pedantic discussion since my initial statement of fighting for a century was only a figure a speech used to highlight the very long nature of the way modern wars could play out to. :| It was never meant to mean a full hundred years of war, since I like you have no idea how long this or future wars may last.

Hoobinator

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

DivergeUnify

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

Exactly. I believe we took over Iraq the fastest any nation has ever been taken over.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

sSubZerOo

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

They are not about to retake anything that the U.S. military has already taken. You are so gullible. There are reports of how many U.S. soldiers get killed, tand the bad things that happen, yet they NEVER EVER mention the hundreds we kill each day and the good things we have accomplished.

Its not that the US military is tryign to hold it.. And it doesn't matter how many we kill, from what we have seen there are plenty who are willing to take their place.. Infact there are studies showing that terrorist have increased in numbers sense the invasion in Iraq rather then lower in numbers.. We havn't accomplished anything yet.. One can only hope and pray what we have left is going to work.. But it looks doubtful at least in my mind.

Well, I believed it was going to get worse before it got better. When Iraq can finally function as a country again and defend themselves, I think the terrorism will die down. Things will be better in the long run.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

The_Mac_Daddy

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

They are not about to retake anything that the U.S. military has already taken. You are so gullible. There are reports of how many U.S. soldiers get killed, tand the bad things that happen, yet they NEVER EVER mention the hundreds we kill each day and the good things we have accomplished.

You really are mislead through your propaganda media aren't you. :lol: I'm gonna laugh in your face when the Taliban retake Kabul and instill a hardline of Islamic Sharia. And no you don't kill hundred of militants each day :lol: Here's an article of just how rubbish the US army is, highlighting how rubbishly they fight against "terrorists"

"According to John Pike, the head of the research group GlobalSecurity.org, an estimated 250,000 bullets have been fired for every insurgent killed in Iraq."

You can't even defeat a few thousand terrorists in the middle east. You're being humilitaed, and what good things have you accomplished?? Iraq's or Afghanistans non-existant democracy? They're becoming more Islamic states by the day.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

DivergeUnify

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

The US won't be able to destory terrorism in th emiddle east instead its actually growing.. A good example of the tactics teh US is doing is about a year back in Pakistan the US bombed a village on the outskirts.. Beause of info on a supposed big terrorist living out there.. The problem? Other innocent people lived there.. And many were killed.. the more collateral damage there is the more people will get angry to fight the US..

ISrael is another great example.. They took the Hezzoballah incident the completely wrong way.. They shot rockets back at them, and Hezz was the smalelr force using gurrillas tacitcs.. What happened? Instead of goign in with soldiers, they killed alot of innocent people in collateral damage.. This gavethe very unpopular hezzoballah group for its decision, huge support because it gave people the view of Israel not caring for any innocents that are killed.

What was accomplished in this? Oh minimal damage against hezzoballah.. Many innocents were killed.. Israel lost what little support it had in the region.. And Hezzoballah gained amazing support from just about every person around the region, regardless of religion.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

DivergeUnify

Iraqs military was joke. Guerrilla warfare works. It worked in:

• Vietnam
• Afghan-Soviet War
• Lebanon 2006
• Israels conflicts with Hamas
• Iraq 2003-?
• Afghanistan 2001-?

The US won't be able to destory terrorism in th emiddle east instead its actually growing.. A good example of the tactics teh US is doing is about a year back in Pakistan the US bombed a village on the outskirts.. Beause of info on a supposed big terrorist living out there.. The problem? Other innocent people lived there.. And many were killed.. the more collateral damage there is the more people will get angry to fight the US..

ISrael is another great example.. They took the Hezzoballah incident the completely wrong way.. They shot rockets back at them, and Hezz was the smalelr force using gurrillas tacitcs.. What happened? Instead of goign in with soldiers, they killed alot of innocent people in collateral damage.. This gavethe very unpopular hezzoballah group for its decision, huge support because it gave people the view of Israel not caring for any innocents that are killed.

What was accomplished in this? Oh minimal damage against hezzoballah.. Many innocents were killed.. Israel lost what little support it had in the region.. And Hezzoballah gained amazing support from just about every person around the region, regardless of religion.

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

The_Mac_Daddy

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

They are not about to retake anything that the U.S. military has already taken. You are so gullible. There are reports of how many U.S. soldiers get killed, tand the bad things that happen, yet they NEVER EVER mention the hundreds we kill each day and the good things we have accomplished.

Its not that the US military is tryign to hold it.. And it doesn't matter how many we kill, from what we have seen there are plenty who are willing to take their place.. Infact there are studies showing that terrorist have increased in numbers sense the invasion in Iraq rather then lower in numbers.. We havn't accomplished anything yet.. One can only hope and pray what we have left is going to work.. But it looks doubtful at least in my mind.

Well, I believed it was going to get worse before it got better. When Iraq can finally function as a country again and defend themselves, I think the terrorism will die down. Things will be better in the long run.

I find this doubtful seeing as the 3 main groups in Iraq hate one another.. And the US is doing stupid ass tactics again.. We are supporting the Shiite extremists there.. To fight AQ.. When the majority of attacks on the US forces have not been from itnernational terrorist but insurgents with in the coutnry.. Hell this was exactly how the TALIBAN and Osama Bin ladin gained so much power.. The US armed and trained them to fight the Soviet Union, this narrowsighted planning should not happen again.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

Hoobinator

Iraqs military was joke. Guerrilla warfare works. It worked in:

• Vietnam
• Afghan-Soviet War
• Iraq 2003-?
• Afghanistan 2001-?

You're fighting against an enemy that knows asymmetric warfare works against a bigger military power.

Before I wrote my post, I was going to say how good the UK's military was when America one independence, but then I realized it was a possibility that you could've been from Canada :P

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

Hoobinator

yeah... no

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To comment on the actual topic:

The only kind of republicans I despise is the hypocritical pro-lifers who support the death penalty and the militaristic "if you don't like it then get the **** out" ones.

Dracargen

Unborn children have never committed a crime deserving of the death penalty.

Serial murderers have.

There you go.

As for the "get out if you don't like it" ones, I only do that to people who piss and moan constantly about how America is such a horrible country and we are like Nazi Germany and wah wah wah. . . .then they go home and live under the Constitution like nothig ever happened.

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

lol republicans. :lol:

Most are far-right Christian and Zionist supporters who fuel nothing but more war and misery around the world to achieve their own global and religious aims. Many of these people think they are doing God's work in the Middle East. How's your wars going for you Bush.

sSubZerOo

I'm Christian and Republican. None of my political beliefs have to do with my religious beliefs. I am all for a very very powerful military. I'm all for going to war if another country is a threat. I live in THIS country.. and I want THIS COUNTRY safe at all costs. Being a peaceful, tree hugging hippy is great. Everybody wishes they could be. It's great if you are, but other countries aren't. Other countries want to harm the U.S. If other countries won't accept peace, then we can't either. It's just reality.

Then prepare for a century of war without a winner. ;)

Then so be it. War over seas kicking their asses is a hell of a lot better than sitting at home with our thumb up our ass preaching about how we are peaceful and wish no harm upon anyone, while they bomb us here and start a war here at home. If we just sit back every time, then there will be more and more threats. Eventually nobody will be scared of starting war with the U.S. If we remain tough on threats then other countries will get the message. War is not good at all, but it is the way the world works.

The sad fact is they're kicking your asses. :lol:

Recent Insurgent attacks on US "Green Zone"

Part 2

The Mission can't be accomplished - Washington Post

Taliban getting ever closer to retaking Kabul

You would only believe that if you listen to the liberal media.

How many American's have been killed? 3,000 or so? In 5 years? How many of them? Hundreds of Thousands? Yeah, they are sure handing it to us alright.

The so called "liberal media" hates the terrorists. And it's not about death count, it's about achieving objectives. Just look at the losses the Vietnamese managed to absorb or the losses the Afghan Mujahideen absorved in the Soviet-Afghan war which the Mujahideen won.

I think it's pretty safe to say when the US has no clue how to defeat terrorism in Iraq and the Taliban are on the verge of retaking the Aghan capital Kabul that you're being humiliated. Oh and these "terrorists" are also outnumbered by western forces. ;) So much for your amazing military.

They are not about to retake anything that the U.S. military has already taken. You are so gullible. There are reports of how many U.S. soldiers get killed, tand the bad things that happen, yet they NEVER EVER mention the hundreds we kill each day and the good things we have accomplished.

Its not that the US military is tryign to hold it.. And it doesn't matter how many we kill, from what we have seen there are plenty who are willing to take their place.. Infact there are studies showing that terrorist have increased in numbers sense the invasion in Iraq rather then lower in numbers.. We havn't accomplished anything yet.. One can only hope and pray what we have left is going to work.. But it looks doubtful at least in my mind.

Well, I believed it was going to get worse before it got better. When Iraq can finally function as a country again and defend themselves, I think the terrorism will die down. Things will be better in the long run.

I find this doubtful seeing as the 3 main groups in Iraq hate one another.. And the US is doing stupid ass tactics again.. We are supporting the Shiite extremists there.. To fight AQ.. When the majority of attacks on the US forces have not been from itnernational terrorist but insurgents with in the coutnry.. Hell this was exactly how the TALIBAN and Osama Bin ladin gained so much power.. The US armed and trained them to fight the Soviet Union, this narrowsighted planning should not happen again.

I agree. But there is really no way to fight a guerilla war. But once Iraq can stand on it's own again, then I think things will get better there.

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jointed

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Another thing I don't really undestand is how the liberals, who claim to be oh so humanistic, want to get out of Iraq ASAP.

We "messed up" their country, we should be the ones who fix it...

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

Dracargen

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

QFT (Skillet rules!)

Another thing I don't really undestand is how the liberals, who claim to be oh so humanistic, want to get out of Iraq ASAP.

We "messed up" their country, we should be the ones who fix it...

jointed

What pisses me off is the ones who disrespect our soldiers. Say something about the government all you want, but don't ever say s*** about the people fighting for your country so that you can sleep at night. It's because of them that some people have the freedom to say what they want. But just don't ever say that around me.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

Dracargen

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

Another thing I don't really undestand is how the liberals, who claim to be oh so humanistic, want to get out of Iraq ASAP.

We "messed up" their country, we should be the ones who fix it...

jointed

It was pretty screwed up before we went in though...

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jointed

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

Why shouldn't it be? an unborn baby shouldn't be either then because it's not completely an individual yet, right?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jointed

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

I don't consider a murderer to be an individual.

aren't you kinda young to be making such generalizations

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jointed

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

if a man kills a woman he's charged with double homicide... double standards?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jointed

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

Yep according to you Scott Peterson only killed his wife...

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

The_Mac_Daddy

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

Why shouldn't it be? an unborn baby shouldn't be either then because it's not completely an individual yet, right?

Well, let's give animals the same rights whilst we're at it...

Things liberals want:

higher taxes. (awesome.. take more money out of my paycheck).

progressive tax. that means, rich pay a higher percentage in taxes than poor people. (cool, so because I make more money than a poor person, I get penalized for it, while the poor person gets rewarded for being poor. Awesome.)

No war. (that's great in concept. But, you HAVE to be tough on threats. No other option.)

Gun control. (Has never ever worked. Criminals who get guns get them illegally anyway.. nothing will change. It will only increase the black market of getting guns, while honest citizens will not have a way to protect themselves against the criminals who will get guns no matter what. Brilliant.)

Abortion. (Let's ask the unborn child about this one.)

Birth control and condoms in schools. (yes, all schools.. middle school, etc.)

Torture in military. (This one is understandable.. I however think it is necessary to get information to protect this country.)

The_Mac_Daddy

um, exactly? I don't get americans, wtf is the point in everyone having a gun? And abortion should of course be legal, its the womans choice... and birth control in schools would cut down on stds and educate kids about safe sex... and higher taxes are necessary to fund the wars that you oh so love, and the republican tax cuts are part of the problem with the economy because in the first time in history a country has CUT taxes during a war... pure genius :roll:

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jlh47

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

if a man kills a woman he's charged with double homicide... double standards?

To my knownledge he was charged with it because it was past the first trimester.. By government standards the featus isn't distinguished a human life till after the firrst trimester.. I think its acceptable compromise to allow such things to last.. Late trimester abortions are awful.. But a abortion with in a couple of weeks of conception I find completely fine.

To me this goes on further that its the womans right to make her own decision.. I think this is important because women still are treated less then men whether intentionally or unintentionally.. They are paid less, fewer are in office then men.. Women hold less wealth then men.. And in alot of Southern Chrisitan states, they are back in the 1950's and 60's where women are bonified house wives.. And looked down upon in some communities if they get a job..

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

sSubZerOo

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

if a man kills a woman he's charged with double homicide... double standards?

To my knownledge he was charged with it because it was past the first trimester.. By government standards the featus isn't distinguished a human life till after the firrst trimester.. I think its acceptable compromise to allow such things to last.. Late trimester abortions are awful.. But a abortion with in a couple of weeks of conception I find completely fine. Why though? it's like saying oh this blob that has a heartbeat yeah i want you to suck it out and kill it..

To me this goes on further that its the womans right to make her own decision.. I think this is important because women still are treated less then men whether intentionally or unintentionally.. They are paid less, fewer are in office then men.. Women hold less wealth then men.. And in alot of Southern Chrisitan states, they are back in the 1950's and 60's where women are bonified house wives.. Umm no they aren't, my mothers side of the family was raised in Alabama and she was a teacher and my aunt was the principle... My grandmother was also a teacher. nice job of stereotyping... And looked down upon in some communities if they get a job..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Ok let me re-phrase it. How can people can claim to choose life but support killing? If God really do exist...he should be the one to judge them, not the incompetent humans.

jlh47

The reason why they oppose abortion but support the death penalty is because the people who are given the death penalty deserve it--the people who die from abortion do not, unless existing has become a crime.

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I fundamentally disagree with you since I don't believe that a fetus should be considered an individual.

if a man kills a woman he's charged with double homicide... double standards?

To my knownledge he was charged with it because it was past the first trimester.. By government standards the featus isn't distinguished a human life till after the firrst trimester.. I think its acceptable compromise to allow such things to last.. Late trimester abortions are awful.. But a abortion with in a couple of weeks of conception I find completely fine. Why though? it's like saying oh this blob that has a heartbeat yeah i want you to suck it out and kill it..

To me this goes on further that its the womans right to make her own decision.. I think this is important because women still are treated less then men whether intentionally or unintentionally.. They are paid less, fewer are in office then men.. Women hold less wealth then men.. And in alot of Southern Chrisitan states, they are back in the 1950's and 60's where women are bonified house wives.. Umm no they aren't, my mothers side of the family was raised in Alabama and she was a teacher and my aunt was the principle... My grandmother was also a teacher. nice job of stereotyping... And looked down upon in some communities if they get a job..

ohh and where are you getting your information from?