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Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
They could be.Yes, it is quite common for some smart poor people to realize that the government shouldn't steal money from others to give to them.Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
Benjamin-T
In your case i actualyl double the mistake because A.) republicans tend to not do anything for poor folks, and B.) traditionaly do very little for education.
Generally, however, most poor people should not vote republican.
Its funny because in high school I had this english teacher that was hardcore republican and conservative. She didnt like unions, found a way to get her job without joining one, and voted republican. So a couple years ago, due to republican cuts, she gets fired. She is the only one fired (the union and organisation of the other teachers and staff saved their jobs)...I kind of felt like going up to her and saying "What did you expect"
SO I guess the moral of the story is vote what you want to vote, just dont act suprised if you get screwed over. In the end its all government and the differences between republican, democrat, etc are too small or insignificant to really count.
You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.spazzx625I don't think some people understand how much money that is.
[QUOTE="spazzx625"]You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.JandurinI don't think some people understand how much money that is.
my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.
I don't think some people understand how much money that is.[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="spazzx625"]You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.mrbojangles25
my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.
You do realize that 75 % of the "People" making over 250k a year, are really a sole proprietorship small business where the majority of the money goes right back into the business. You are hurting the stock market, destroying jobs, and killing the economy by taxing the rich. http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=15I don't think some people understand how much money that is.[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="spazzx625"]You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.mrbojangles25
my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.
if anything, it would keep less americans employed. if a small business tax owner is considered rich and his or her taxes are raised, they may have to cut positions, wages, or hours to keep the company afloat. also, if you extend welfare benefits to someone who's unemployed, that kind of encourages them to put off looking for a job.I once met a homeless republican who said those who are homeless are democrats only because they want free handouts and do not want to work for a living. That was his own words so do not shoot the messenger...mindstormIt's usually true
You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.spazzx625Obama has single handedly changed the definition of rich. That is absolutely wrong.
One of his mottos, "spread the wealth," is one of my founding decisions to vote for McCain. I do have liberal views, since I dislike tobacco and liquor, do not like the NRA, and I'm bi (so, naturally, I'm for gay marriage), but Obama was a bit too liberal for my taste.Benjamin-TYou sound like a libertarian except for the fact that you do not like the NRA, why do you not like the NRA?
[QUOTE="Benjamin-T"]One of his mottos, "spread the wealth," is one of my founding decisions to vote for McCain. I do have liberal views, since I dislike tobacco and liquor, do not like the NRA, and I'm bi (so, naturally, I'm for gay marriage), but Obama was a bit too liberal for my taste.JacobisthemanYou sound like a libertarian except for the fact that you do not like the NRA, why do you not like the NRA? Because, while I do understand why we need the right to bear arms, I won't bear arms myself. I dislike guns and the like, but I know that they are needed. Still, I don't endorse a club that endorse hunting and encouraging people to carry firearms.
Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
Benjamin-T
I am a poor college student and i am pretty conservative. But i am not a neo conservative. I am most desribed as a libertarian.
[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Benjamin-T"]One of his mottos, "spread the wealth," is one of my founding decisions to vote for McCain. I do have liberal views, since I dislike tobacco and liquor, do not like the NRA, and I'm bi (so, naturally, I'm for gay marriage), but Obama was a bit too liberal for my taste.Benjamin-TYou sound like a libertarian except for the fact that you do not like the NRA, why do you not like the NRA? Because, while I do understand why we need the right to bear arms, I won't bear arms myself. I dislike guns and the like, but I know that they are needed. Still, I don't endorse a club that endorse hunting and encouraging people to carry firearms.Well, they encourage people to carrie guns because it is a proven fact that there are less crimes prevented when more people have guns to stop the crimes. http://kuruc.info/r/40/28418/
[QUOTE="spazzx625"]You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.remmbermytitansObama has single handedly changed the definition of rich. That is absolutely wrong. in large cities if you make 200k a year you are middle class. I don't get what Obama says by 200k and over being rich. It costs a lot to live in very large cities
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] I don't think some people understand how much money that is.Jacobistheman
my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.
You do realize that 75 % of the "People" making over 250k a year, are really a sole proprietorship small business where the majority of the money goes right back into the business. You are hurting the stock market, destroying jobs, and killing the economy by taxing the rich. http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=15hyperbole and overreaction
I dont think anyone realizes just how little they are being taxed. This is not a black and white situation: its not "let us profit, or tax us to death". In reality its more like "well, you had a really good year, you can spare an insignificant amount of that profit for your fellow countrymen". No one will hurt from this, period. The people making 250+k a year are not going to wake up a month later and be like "Oh no, where did my money go! Damn you, socialism!"
My boss is one of those guys you spoke about, a small business owner. He diverts a huge amount of his funds into the business, and he is in favor of this plan. Why? Because he sees it as a selfless act, and he straight up told me that it is not a significant increase over what the government is taking out already. If this plan goes through, a lot of good can occur, for example:
1. I dont lose my job (you forgot to mention that any funds diverted into a business count as a tax writeoff)
2. I get an extra 40 bucks or so per paycheck
3. I get health insurance; I currently do not have it, my boss feels guilty about it, but the business cannot afford it. If I get health insurance this is one less thing my employer needs to pay for.
I dont want to sound too self-rightous or whatever but the only bad thing about this plan is the fact that the rich actually had to be forced into doing it. The least they could do is not complain about it.
Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
I'm with you.[QUOTE="Benjamin-T"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Benjamin-T"]One of his mottos, "spread the wealth," is one of my founding decisions to vote for McCain. I do have liberal views, since I dislike tobacco and liquor, do not like the NRA, and I'm bi (so, naturally, I'm for gay marriage), but Obama was a bit too liberal for my taste.JacobisthemanYou sound like a libertarian except for the fact that you do not like the NRA, why do you not like the NRA? Because, while I do understand why we need the right to bear arms, I won't bear arms myself. I dislike guns and the like, but I know that they are needed. Still, I don't endorse a club that endorse hunting and encouraging people to carry firearms.Well, they encourage people to carrie guns because it is a proven fact that there are less crimes prevented when more people have guns to stop the crimes. http://kuruc.info/r/40/28418/[/QUOTE]
would you please learn to cite with actual logic. Youre as bad as a cable news show.
Simply providing a case study of one town, with a starting population of 5k (and now a population of 28k), does not make any sense.
Ive lived in a town of 40k people for 8 years and there hasnt been a murder either. But at least I know that doesnt mean anything, just like that town doesnt mean anything concerning gun crime.
I also wonder why they did not mention accidental firings, manslaughter (not technically murder), and other accidents. Murder is, after all, an extremely specific and rare crime.
Do you have any idea how much businesses like that make. My parents used to own a hardware store, and they made about 1 penny per dollar, if thier taxes had increased 3% of 3 cents per dollars like obama is going to have them increase, that would mean my parents were loosing 2 cents a dollar total, which would have put them out of business, and made 40 people unemployed in a town of 10k, raising unemployment like .4%. This tax will have effects like this on many small businesses.hyperbole and overreaction
I dont think anyone realizes just how little they are being taxed. This is not a black and white situation: its not "let us profit, or tax us to death". In reality its more like "well, you had a really good year, you can spare an insignificant amount of that profit for your fellow countrymen". No one will hurt from this, period. The people making 250+k a year are not going to wake up a month later and be like "Oh no, where did my money go! Damn you, socialism!"
My boss is one of those guys you spoke about, a small business owner. He diverts a huge amount of his funds into the business, and he is in favor of this plan. Why? Because he sees it as a selfless act, and he straight up told me that it is not a significant increase over what the government is taking out already. If this plan goes through, a lot of good can occur, for example:
1. I dont lose my job (you forgot to mention that any funds diverted into a business count as a tax writeoff)
2. I get an extra 40 bucks or so per paycheck
3. I get health insurance; I currently do not have it, my boss feels guilty about it, but the business cannot afford it. If I get health insurance this is one less thing my employer needs to pay for.I dont want to sound too self-rightous or whatever but the only bad thing about this plan is the fact that the rich actually had to be forced into doing it. The least they could do is not complain about it.
mrbojangles25
[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] I don't think some people understand how much money that is.mrbojangles25
my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.
You do realize that 75 % of the "People" making over 250k a year, are really a sole proprietorship small business where the majority of the money goes right back into the business. You are hurting the stock market, destroying jobs, and killing the economy by taxing the rich. http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=15[/QUOTE]hyperbole and overreaction
I dont think anyone realizes just how little they are being taxed. This is not a black and white situation: its not "let us profit, or tax us to death". In reality its more like "well, you had a really good year, you can spare an insignificant amount of that profit for your fellow countrymen". No one will hurt from this, period. The people making 250+k a year are not going to wake up a month later and be like "Oh no, where did my money go! Damn you, socialism!"
My boss is one of those guys you spoke about, a small business owner. He diverts a huge amount of his funds into the business, and he is in favor of this plan. Why? Because he sees it as a selfless act, and he straight up told me that it is not a significant increase over what the government is taking out already. If this plan goes through, a lot of good can occur, for example:
1. I dont lose my job (you forgot to mention that any funds diverted into a business count as a tax writeoff)
2. I get an extra 40 bucks or so per paycheck
3. I get health insurance; I currently do not have it, my boss feels guilty about it, but the business cannot afford it. If I get health insurance this is one less thing my employer needs to pay for.
I dont want to sound too self-rightous or whatever but the only bad thing about this plan is the fact that the rich actually had to be forced into doing it. The least they could do is not complain about it.
they shouldn't have to do it. if they want to, donate the money to a charity or give their employees a bonus or something. the rich work hard to get where they are, why should they be forced to give money to those who don't work as hard as they do to become rich? and $40 a paycheck? the rebate is $400 a year for singles, $800 for couples. and if you get health insurance (i'm assuming you're talking about universal healthcare) your boss WILL pay for it, it's funded by taxpayers money! the enormous amount of money for that doesn't come out of thin air.http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2009/02/obamatax_cuts_will_be_felt_by.html
Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
good topic[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Do you have any idea how much businesses like that make. My parents used to own a hardware store, and they made about 1 penny per dollar, if thier taxes had increased 3% of 3 cents per dollars like obama is going to have them increase, that would mean my parents were loosing 2 cents a dollar total, which would have put them out of business, and made 40 people unemployed in a town of 10k, raising unemployment like .4%. This tax will have effects like this on many small businesses.hyperbole and overreaction
I dont think anyone realizes just how little they are being taxed. This is not a black and white situation: its not "let us profit, or tax us to death". In reality its more like "well, you had a really good year, you can spare an insignificant amount of that profit for your fellow countrymen". No one will hurt from this, period. The people making 250+k a year are not going to wake up a month later and be like "Oh no, where did my money go! Damn you, socialism!"
My boss is one of those guys you spoke about, a small business owner. He diverts a huge amount of his funds into the business, and he is in favor of this plan. Why? Because he sees it as a selfless act, and he straight up told me that it is not a significant increase over what the government is taking out already. If this plan goes through, a lot of good can occur, for example:
1. I dont lose my job (you forgot to mention that any funds diverted into a business count as a tax writeoff)
2. I get an extra 40 bucks or so per paycheck
3. I get health insurance; I currently do not have it, my boss feels guilty about it, but the business cannot afford it. If I get health insurance this is one less thing my employer needs to pay for.I dont want to sound too self-rightous or whatever but the only bad thing about this plan is the fact that the rich actually had to be forced into doing it. The least they could do is not complain about it.
Jacobistheman
iirc its not the businesses being taxed in this plan, but the people. In other words, the money is being taken out of your parents wallet, not the businesses, thus the store, employees, and town is ok.
So the store can continue to make a profit, and in turn your parents make money. If sales are down, then they wont be in that 250+ bracket, and if sales are good and theyre in that 250+ bracket, then they can afford to better the country at a slight cost.
Well, they encourage people to carrie guns because it is a proven fact that there are less crimes prevented when more people have guns to stop the crimes. http://kuruc.info/r/40/28418/[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Benjamin-T"] Because, while I do understand why we need the right to bear arms, I won't bear arms myself. I dislike guns and the like, but I know that they are needed. Still, I don't endorse a club that endorse hunting and encouraging people to carry firearms.mrbojangles25
would you please learn to cite with actual logic. Youre as bad as a cable news show.
Simply providing a case study of one town, with a starting population of 5k (and now a population of 28k), does not make any sense.
Ive lived in a town of 40k people for 8 years and there hasnt been a murder either. But at least I know that doesnt mean anything, just like that town doesnt mean anything concerning gun crime.
I also wonder why they did not mention accidental firings, manslaughter (not technically murder), and other accidents. Murder is, after all, an extremely specific and rare crime.
Fiirst of all, did you read the artical, and second of all, it you don't think that is logical to conclude that because after a law was passed that required people to own a gun the crime rate was cut in half, and more guns in the hands of citizens makes the crime rate goes down, you are either really stupid, or in denial.Well first of all, it that business hadn't been a corporation, and been under thier names, the government would have taxed the profit of the business before the employees were payed. Also, why should my parents be forced to pay the poor when the poor have done no work to deserve it? The country will do better leaving more money in peoples pockets to invest back into businesses, invest in the stock market and give to charity than if the government takes it all.iirc its not the businesses being taxed in this plan, but the people. In other words, the money is being taken out of your parents wallet, not the businesses, thus the store, employees, and town is ok.
So the store can continue to make a profit, and in turn your parents make money. If sales are down, then they wont be in that 250+ bracket, and if sales are good and theyre in that 250+ bracket, then they can afford to better the country at a slight cost.
mrbojangles25
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]You do realize that 75 % of the "People" making over 250k a year, are really a sole proprietorship small business where the majority of the money goes right back into the business. You are hurting the stock market, destroying jobs, and killing the economy by taxing the rich. http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=15[/QUOTE]my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.
shoeman12
hyperbole and overreaction
I dont think anyone realizes just how little they are being taxed. This is not a black and white situation: its not "let us profit, or tax us to death". In reality its more like "well, you had a really good year, you can spare an insignificant amount of that profit for your fellow countrymen". No one will hurt from this, period. The people making 250+k a year are not going to wake up a month later and be like "Oh no, where did my money go! Damn you, socialism!"
My boss is one of those guys you spoke about, a small business owner. He diverts a huge amount of his funds into the business, and he is in favor of this plan. Why? Because he sees it as a selfless act, and he straight up told me that it is not a significant increase over what the government is taking out already. If this plan goes through, a lot of good can occur, for example:
1. I dont lose my job (you forgot to mention that any funds diverted into a business count as a tax writeoff)
2. I get an extra 40 bucks or so per paycheck
3. I get health insurance; I currently do not have it, my boss feels guilty about it, but the business cannot afford it. If I get health insurance this is one less thing my employer needs to pay for.
I dont want to sound too self-rightous or whatever but the only bad thing about this plan is the fact that the rich actually had to be forced into doing it. The least they could do is not complain about it.
they shouldn't have to do it. if they want to, donate the money to a charity or give their employees a bonus or something. the rich work hard to get where they are, why should they be forced to give money to those who don't work as hard as they do to become rich? and $40 a paycheck? the rebate is $400 a year for singles, $800 for couples. and if you get health insurance (i'm assuming you're talking about universal healthcare) your boss WILL pay for it, it's funded by taxpayers money! the enormous amount of money for that doesn't come out of thin air.http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2009/02/obamatax_cuts_will_be_felt_by.html
Yes, my boss will pay for it. You will pay for it. I will pay for it. Everyone will pay for it. And thats fine, taxes are fine...taxes are good. Misuse of taxes, however, is a crime. Healthcare for an entire country, however, is an awesome use of taxes.
And please do not tell me the rich work hard. While some do, from my experience most dont. A car dealership manager often makes 100+k a year, and for what? To talk people into buying cars? How is that hard work? Meanwhile Im busting my ass, doing a physical job with no healthcare, making 10 bucks an hour. At the end of the month I usually have about 100 bucks, which I either save or spend. But thats besides the point here.
Listen, I can sympathize with your perspective. If I were rich I would not want to be taxed more.
But Im not, and I cant empathize. I am underpaid, underutilized, and right now I am pretty much open to any idea that helps me and anyone in my situation out.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] You do realize that 75 % of the "People" making over 250k a year, are really a sole proprietorship small business where the majority of the money goes right back into the business. You are hurting the stock market, destroying jobs, and killing the economy by taxing the rich. http://app1.sba.gov/faqs/faqindex.cfm?areaID=15[/QUOTE]they shouldn't have to do it. if they want to, donate the money to a charity or give their employees a bonus or something. the rich work hard to get where they are, why should they be forced to give money to those who don't work as hard as they do to become rich? and $40 a paycheck? the rebate is $400 a year for singles, $800 for couples. and if you get health insurance (i'm assuming you're talking about universal healthcare) your boss WILL pay for it, it's funded by taxpayers money! the enormous amount of money for that doesn't come out of thin air.hyperbole and overreaction
I dont think anyone realizes just how little they are being taxed. This is not a black and white situation: its not "let us profit, or tax us to death". In reality its more like "well, you had a really good year, you can spare an insignificant amount of that profit for your fellow countrymen". No one will hurt from this, period. The people making 250+k a year are not going to wake up a month later and be like "Oh no, where did my money go! Damn you, socialism!"
My boss is one of those guys you spoke about, a small business owner. He diverts a huge amount of his funds into the business, and he is in favor of this plan. Why? Because he sees it as a selfless act, and he straight up told me that it is not a significant increase over what the government is taking out already. If this plan goes through, a lot of good can occur, for example:
1. I dont lose my job (you forgot to mention that any funds diverted into a business count as a tax writeoff)
2. I get an extra 40 bucks or so per paycheck
3. I get health insurance; I currently do not have it, my boss feels guilty about it, but the business cannot afford it. If I get health insurance this is one less thing my employer needs to pay for.I dont want to sound too self-rightous or whatever but the only bad thing about this plan is the fact that the rich actually had to be forced into doing it. The least they could do is not complain about it.
mrbojangles25
http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2009/02/obamatax_cuts_will_be_felt_by.html
Yes, my boss will pay for it. You will pay for it. I will pay for it. Everyone will pay for it. And thats fine, taxes are fine...taxes are good. Misuse of taxes, however, is a crime. Healthcare for an entire country, however, is an awesome use of taxes.
And please do not tell me the rich work hard. While some do, from my experience most dont. A car dealership manager often makes 100+k a year, and for what? To talk people into buying cars? How is that hard work? Meanwhile Im busting my ass, doing a physical job with no healthcare, making 10 bucks an hour. At the end of the month I usually have about 100 bucks, which I either save or spend. But thats besides the point here.
Listen, I can sympathize with your perspective. If I were rich I would not want to be taxed more.
But Im not, and I cant empathize. I am underpaid, underutilized, and right now I am pretty much open to any idea that helps me and anyone in my situation out.
if it's so easy to sell cars then why don't you do that? if it's just talking people into buying cars then why can't you do that?[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="spazzx625"] So, I make under $200k a year and I'm suddenly "poor". I don't think so.-Sun_Tzu-Well according to Obama you are. According to me you are not. He is taking from people making over 250k and giving money to those making under 50k (who after his tax plan is put in place will all be on welfare by receiving more money than they pay) and putting over 50% of the population on welfare, and making 10% pay for it all. That is socialism. No, Obama's tax plan is not socialism and to call it that is laughable. You can paint Obama red all you want, but the man is not a socialist. Prove it
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Well first of all, it that business hadn't been a corporation, and been under thier names, the government would have taxed the profit of the business before the employees were payed. Also, why should my parents be forced to pay the poor when the poor have done no work to deserve it? The country will do better leaving more money in peoples pockets to invest back into businesses, invest in the stock market and give to charity than if the government takes it all.iirc its not the businesses being taxed in this plan, but the people. In other words, the money is being taken out of your parents wallet, not the businesses, thus the store, employees, and town is ok.
So the store can continue to make a profit, and in turn your parents make money. If sales are down, then they wont be in that 250+ bracket, and if sales are good and theyre in that 250+ bracket, then they can afford to better the country at a slight cost.
Jacobistheman
Thats extremely insulting to say the poor do not work hard. I am a college grad, and there were no jobs to be had so I worked as a chef for six months while searching for a real job (you know, the kind your college advisors tell you you will land no problem *sigh* ). I worked 60 hours a week most weeks, woke up before the sun was up, finished work after the sun went down, and still made under 25k (thats very little for the bay area).
I now have a better job, but I make even less if you can believe it. I work very hard, provide not only a product but a service a lot of times for people, and make about 15k a year.
I am not asking for a lot. But I definately deserve more than what I have. I think health insurance isnt too much to ask for.
You have no idea how hard most of those people work, they may not be doing physical labor, but most work a lot more than you do. Also, Socialized Health care would be terrible. I know 2 people in Canada, and they both come to the US to get health care because healthcare in Canada sucks. One guy (who is my aunts brother in law) was diagnosed with cancer, and couldn't get an appointment to get treatment for 6 months, so he goes to the US a lot so he won't die. I can also understand that it really isn't fair that people make a lot more than you, but they do, and that doesn't mean that you should use government to steal from them.Yes, my boss will pay for it. You will pay for it. I will pay for it. Everyone will pay for it. And thats fine, taxes are fine...taxes are good. Misuse of taxes, however, is a crime. Healthcare for an entire country, however, is an awesome use of taxes.
And please do not tell me the rich work hard. While some do, from my experience most dont. A car dealership manager often makes 100+k a year, and for what? To talk people into buying cars? How is that hard work? Meanwhile Im busting my ass, doing a physical job with no healthcare, making 10 bucks an hour. At the end of the month I usually have about 100 bucks, which I either save or spend. But thats besides the point here.
Listen, I can sympathize with your perspective. If I were rich I would not want to be taxed more.
But Im not, and I cant empathize. I am underpaid, underutilized, and right now I am pretty much open to any idea that helps me and anyone in my situation out.
mrbojangles25
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="shoeman12"] they shouldn't have to do it. if they want to, donate the money to a charity or give their employees a bonus or something. the rich work hard to get where they are, why should they be forced to give money to those who don't work as hard as they do to become rich? and $40 a paycheck? the rebate is $400 a year for singles, $800 for couples. and if you get health insurance (i'm assuming you're talking about universal healthcare) your boss WILL pay for it, it's funded by taxpayers money! the enormous amount of money for that doesn't come out of thin air.http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2009/02/obamatax_cuts_will_be_felt_by.html
shoeman12
Yes, my boss will pay for it. You will pay for it. I will pay for it. Everyone will pay for it. And thats fine, taxes are fine...taxes are good. Misuse of taxes, however, is a crime. Healthcare for an entire country, however, is an awesome use of taxes.
And please do not tell me the rich work hard. While some do, from my experience most dont. A car dealership manager often makes 100+k a year, and for what? To talk people into buying cars? How is that hard work? Meanwhile Im busting my ass, doing a physical job with no healthcare, making 10 bucks an hour. At the end of the month I usually have about 100 bucks, which I either save or spend. But thats besides the point here.
Listen, I can sympathize with your perspective. If I were rich I would not want to be taxed more.
But Im not, and I cant empathize. I am underpaid, underutilized, and right now I am pretty much open to any idea that helps me and anyone in my situation out.
if it's so easy to sell cars then why don't you do that? if it's just talking people into buying cars then why can't you do that?Because:
1. I am an introvert (shy, quiet, etc)
2. I cant BS worth a damn. Salesmen, well, they dont lie, but they definately spin the truth and lie by omission. I see it every damn day of my life, specifically at my job.
3. I just dont want to live my life selling cars. I am a builder, and artist, a creator...I want to make the cars, not sell them. Leave that for the less talented folks :P
4. I am not vain. The simple fact is that the sales industry is extremely superficial. I, however, dont really care about my appearance. I dress for practicality.
Sales people do not have to work hard to make a lot of money. I am not saying most dont work hard, what I am saying is that they dont have to. They just take their natural born gift for smooth talking, a good dose of charisma, and talk their way to money.
So if you don't want to get a job making more money, stop complaining about the job you have now.Because:
1. I am an introvert (shy, quiet, etc)
2. I cant BS worth a damn. Salesmen, well, they dont lie, but they definately spin the truth and lie by omission. I see it every damn day of my life, specifically at my job.
3. I just dont want to live my life selling cars. I am a builder, and artist, a creator...I want to make the cars, not sell them. Leave that for the less talented folks :P
4. I am not vain. The simple fact is that the sales industry is extremely superficial. I, however, dont really care about my appearance. I dress for practicality.
Sales people do not have to work hard to make a lot of money. I am not saying most dont work hard, what I am saying is that they dont have to. They just take their natural born gift for smooth talking, a good dose of charisma, and talk their way to money.
mrbojangles25
Are you able to faithfully articulate the stances of the Republican party?Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?
My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."
That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt
Benjamin-T
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] Well according to Obama you are. According to me you are not. He is taking from people making over 250k and giving money to those making under 50k (who after his tax plan is put in place will all be on welfare by receiving more money than they pay) and putting over 50% of the population on welfare, and making 10% pay for it all. That is socialism. Spicy-McHaggisNo, Obama's tax plan is not socialism and to call it that is laughable. You can paint Obama red all you want, but the man is not a socialist. Prove it I do not have to prove anything. I was not the one who made the initial claim that Obama was a socialist or embraced a socialistic far left agenda, so I am under no obligation to prove that he is not a socialist. But if you want proof just look up what actual socialists think about Obama.
To quote the World Socialist Website "Obama is a conventional bourgeois politician, dependent, like his rivals, on lavish financial support from corporate interests and the wealthy. He is not the product of any sort of genuine movement from below in American society, but rather the latest in a long line of demagogues employed to foster illusions that the big business-controlled political system can serve the interests of ordinary people." You would think that with Obama's far left socialistic agenda that they would be thrilled, wouldn't you? Well obviously that is not the case.
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