republicans and poor

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Because:

1. I am an introvert (shy, quiet, etc)

2. I cant BS worth a damn. Salesmen, well, they dont lie, but they definately spin the truth and lie by omission. I see it every damn day of my life, specifically at my job.

3. I just dont want to live my life selling cars. I am a builder, and artist, a creator...I want to make the cars, not sell them. Leave that for the less talented folks :P

4. I am not vain. The simple fact is that the sales industry is extremely superficial. I, however, dont really care about my appearance. I dress for practicality.

Sales people do not have to work hard to make a lot of money. I am not saying most dont work hard, what I am saying is that they dont have to. They just take their natural born gift for smooth talking, a good dose of charisma, and talk their way to money.

Jacobistheman

because I should not be forced into taking a job I loathe (anyone can overcome the four points I listed above if they chose to) simply to receive benefits I should have as a tax-paying citizen of this country. And when did I say I hate my job? I love my job. I made peace with the fact that I wont make a lot of money out of it a long time ago.

many of my friends from college made that mistake: they took jobs one is supposed to take after graduation, earning a salary a college grad is supposed to make, and many of them have quit those jobs for completely valid reasons. An engineer friend quit because he didnt like the environmental approach his company took towards oil drilling; another did not like manipulatng the truth in order to dupe customers...the list goes on.

in short, no one should have to sell their soul, happiness, whatever, simply to get things our government should be providing for us. I am not asking for 100k a year. Hell, I am not even asking for 30k! I just want the government to look after its people and serve them; people forget that its our goverment, we should (ideally) get our money back in various forms.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Because:

1. I am an introvert (shy, quiet, etc)

2. I cant BS worth a damn. Salesmen, well, they dont lie, but they definately spin the truth and lie by omission. I see it every damn day of my life, specifically at my job.

3. I just dont want to live my life selling cars. I am a builder, and artist, a creator...I want to make the cars, not sell them. Leave that for the less talented folks :P

4. I am not vain. The simple fact is that the sales industry is extremely superficial. I, however, dont really care about my appearance. I dress for practicality.

Sales people do not have to work hard to make a lot of money. I am not saying most dont work hard, what I am saying is that they dont have to. They just take their natural born gift for smooth talking, a good dose of charisma, and talk their way to money.

mrbojangles25

because I should not be forced into taking a job I loathe (anyone can overcome the four points I listed above if they chose to) simply to receive benefits I should have as a tax-paying citizen of this country. And when did I say I hate my job? I love my job. I made peace with the fact that I wont make a lot of money out of it a long time ago.

many of my friends from college made that mistake: they took jobs one is supposed to take after graduation, earning a salary a college grad is supposed to make, and many of them have quit those jobs for completely valid reasons. An engineer friend quit because he didnt like the environmental approach his company took towards oil drilling; another did not like manipulatng the truth in order to dupe customers...the list goes on.

in short, no one should have to sell their soul, happiness, whatever, simply to get things our government should be providing for us. I am not asking for 100k a year. Hell, I am not even asking for 30k! I just want the government to look after its people and serve them; people forget that its our goverment, we should (ideally) get our money back in various forms.

Do you believe a poor person can be a republican?

My friends were surprised to hear that I voted for John McCain. "You can't be republican" they said "You're a poor college student."

That kind of ticked me. I don't agree with Obama's "robin hood" plan to aid the economy. Moreover, I like to work myself to the top, not be babysitted by the govmnt

Benjamin-T

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] So if you don't want to get a job making more money, stop complaining about the job you have now. Jacobistheman

because I should not be forced into taking a job I loathe (anyone can overcome the four points I listed above if they chose to) simply to receive benefits I should have as a tax-paying citizen of this country. And when did I say I hate my job? I love my job. I made peace with the fact that I wont make a lot of money out of it a long time ago.

many of my friends from college made that mistake: they took jobs one is supposed to take after graduation, earning a salary a college grad is supposed to make, and many of them have quit those jobs for completely valid reasons. An engineer friend quit because he didnt like the environmental approach his company took towards oil drilling; another did not like manipulatng the truth in order to dupe customers...the list goes on.

in short, no one should have to sell their soul, happiness, whatever, simply to get things our government should be providing for us. I am not asking for 100k a year. Hell, I am not even asking for 30k! I just want the government to look after its people and serve them; people forget that its our goverment, we should (ideally) get our money back in various forms.

if demonizing a purely objective issue helps you sleep better, go for it.

And the government owes us everything, we created it, we vote the leaders in place...the government is made to serve us. Any money sent to it should, ideally, be spent with our best interests in mind. obama is president because we wanted him to be, now its time for him to act on the promises he made.

And as I said before, the issue is not a purely monetary one. I dont want your money, I dont want rich people's money. I dont want a job I dont like. I am perfectly happy, from a monetary standpoint, with my current level. Its not ideal, and I dont expect to be at this level forever, but I get by. I know you probably think of mwe as a poor, bitter guy based on what Ive said but I am not. I made my choice, and I am happy with it: Ive passed up about five chances to work for the USDA and FDA making 40k a year with all the benefits I could want, but I did not want that job because I would not be happy. I am happy where Im at.

What I want is a good, effective tax program that gets this country on track, and I want the people with the most amount of power (the rich) to help their country out. I believe it will pay off for everyone. it just bugs me when people approach this as a black and white issue, they dont see the middle ground...they see it as "stealing" or being "unfair" or arguing against it because of the "principle" of taking a bit more money from the rich. Screw principles, something needs to be done, and people making 250+k a year can, for practical purposes, spare a teeny tiny bit more of their wealth. No one will go broke, no one will get fired, no one is going to get screwed over from a practical standpoint. Stop making this an emotional issue.

Also, on a side note, I wonder how many of the people arguing against this tax plan would at the same time support the idea of a military draft.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Benjamin-T"] You sound like a libertarian except for the fact that you do not like the NRA, why do you not like the NRA?mrbojangles25

would you please learn to cite with actual logic. Youre as bad as a cable news show.

Simply providing a case study of one town, with a starting population of 5k (and now a population of 28k), does not make any sense.

Ive lived in a town of 40k people for 8 years and there hasnt been a murder either. But at least I know that doesnt mean anything, just like that town doesnt mean anything concerning gun crime.

I also wonder why they did not mention accidental firings, manslaughter (not technically murder), and other accidents. Murder is, after all, an extremely specific and rare crime.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="spazzx625"]You call it a 'Robin Hood' plan, but the only people really affected by any tax changes make over $200k a year.mrbojangles25

my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.

It's easy to say, "If I had that kind of money I'd not object to the government taking more of it" when you don't have it now.

People with 200k don't want it taken from them and given to social programs that don't work, never worked, and won't ever work. Social programs created to keep the poor... well, POOR! Because why work and lose your benefits when you can sit on your ass and keep the benefits.

That's why we Republicans are so "anit-poor" and against social programs, because too many people who use them abuse them. We work our asses off then have to give part of our pay check to some half-baked social program which does nothing but keep voters voting for Democrats because in most cases these people won't pull themselves out of poverty.

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] I don't think some people understand how much money that is.cametall

my thoughts exactly. If I had 200k or more I would have no objection to it. That negligable increase keeps my fellow americans employed and taken care of, I am all for it.

It's easy to say, "If I had that kind of money I'd not object to the government taking more of it" when you don't have it now.

People with 200k don't want it taken from them and given to social programs that don't work, never worked, and won't ever work. Social programs created to keep the poor... well, POOR! Because why work and lose your benefits when you can sit on your ass and keep the benefits.

That's why we Republicans are so "anit-poor" and against social programs, because too many people who use them abuse them. We work our asses off then have to give part of our pay check to some half-baked social program which does nothing but keep voters voting for Democrats because in most cases these people won't pull themselves out of poverty.

/rant...

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"] So if you don't want to get a job making more money, stop complaining about the job you have now. Jacobistheman

because I should not be forced into taking a job I loathe (anyone can overcome the four points I listed above if they chose to) simply to receive benefits I should have as a tax-paying citizen of this country. And when did I say I hate my job? I love my job. I made peace with the fact that I wont make a lot of money out of it a long time ago.

many of my friends from college made that mistake: they took jobs one is supposed to take after graduation, earning a salary a college grad is supposed to make, and many of them have quit those jobs for completely valid reasons. An engineer friend quit because he didnt like the environmental approach his company took towards oil drilling; another did not like manipulatng the truth in order to dupe customers...the list goes on.

in short, no one should have to sell their soul, happiness, whatever, simply to get things our government should be providing for us. I am not asking for 100k a year. Hell, I am not even asking for 30k! I just want the government to look after its people and serve them; people forget that its our goverment, we should (ideally) get our money back in various forms.

why do you bring up a side note?Benjamin-T

the side note thing was for mrbojangles25. As for your disagreement, I don't approve of firearms, but I know why they are needed. I disagree with the *club* (National Rifle Association) not the right to bear armBenjamin-T

I don't like the rhetoric that Obama uses when explaining his proposed tax system. He seems to insinuate that if you make over 250k a year (as a family) or less as an individual (not sure of the exact limit) that you must be a bad person. You must be either corrupt or excel at cheating the system. Apparently, anyone making over that amount does not pay taxes or contribute to the well being of the country.

The argument that people should just pay their "fair share" is crap. What exactly is their fair share? Individuals making over his arbitrary limit already pay more total taxes and also a higher percentage of tax. Our tax system is progressive. The more you make, the higher the tax percentage goes. So how are these people not paying their fair share? Again they pay a higher percentage of tax than anyone else in the country. Certainly some people take advantages of loopholes in the tax system to avoid paying as much as they should, but shouldn't the governemnt just close those loopholes as opposed to jack up taxes blindly.

Besides, raising taxes during a recession isn't too bright. In fact, that's just plain stupid. I'm sure that will stimulate spending :roll:

He has another idea of taxing capital gains. But that may be a little tricky as it would cause a large decrease in the number of people investing in the market. A good return for the market is 8-10%. But if he starts taxing those gains, why invest at all? Your not guaranteed positive returns in the market, and if the potential earnings are now decreased, You may as well just keep your money in the bank or under your pillow. Another great way of stimulating the economy.:roll:

Finally, a lot of the people whining that the "successful" don't pay their fair share are extremely hypocritical. Many of these whiners, pay no federal tax. They contribute no revenue to any of the social systems or government programs. So how can they complain that others don't pay their share? They're living off of and benefitting from these very people.

[QUOTE="Benjamin-T"]the side note thing was for mrbojangles25. As for your disagreement, I don't approve of firearms, but I know why they are needed. I disagree with the *club* (National Rifle Association) not the right to bear armEternal_Triumph

I don't understand why most American Conservatives (I guess that would be republicans) fear socialism like its just as evil as Hitler or something...Of course all of the Scandinavian countries are in peril, after all they have very socialist policies implemented....:roll:carrot-cake