Republicans, explain to me why im a future job creator.

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[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"] Why not? DarkOfKnight

because they did nothing to actually earn it. You wanna take food stamps away from the poor so your kids can afford to feed their dog caviar... what kinda logic does that make?

getting rid of foodstamps wouldnt hurt anyone?

what about all the single mothers that can no longer afford their kids, or the people that resort to crime and need to be jailed. Both those are huge costs.

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

alot of our system is not rags to riches earners though... its mostly generational wealth.

DarkOfKnight

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm not sure if you read his post, but he was taking issue with generational wealth, so I'm not understanding the objection here. Anyway, most millionaires are self-made. Go figure.

coolbeans90

ill agree with you if you can find me one source citing that fact. most millionaires are definitely not self made.

Yeah, they do.

It's not exactly a controversial claim either. Billionaires, yeah, you might be on to something. However, even a large portion of those are self-made.

Anyway, I am most curious as to why you've bothered to pursue this line of discussion, given that I've already agreed that generational wealth needs to be limited.

Sounds a bit unrealistic... but im having trouble findingThomas J. Stanley's facts, and you provided a link so burden of proof is on me. So ill give it to you even thought im highly skeptical of the info.. seems ridiculously high.

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

ill agree with you if you can find me one source citing that fact. most millionaires are definitely not self made.

markinthedark

Yeah, they do.

It's not exactly a controversial claim either. Billionaires, yeah, you might be on to something. However, even a large portion of those are self-made.

Anyway, I am most curious as to why you've bothered to pursue this line of discussion, given that I've already agreed that generational wealth needs to be limited.

Sounds a bit unrealistic... but im having trouble findingThomas J. Stanley's facts, and you provided a link so burden of proof is on me. So ill give it to you even thought im highly skeptical of the info.. seems ridiculously high.

Well, the number of millionaires has grown quite a bit over the years.

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

alot of our system is not rags to riches earners though... its mostly generational wealth.

markinthedark

I'm not sure if you read his post, but he was taking issue with generational wealth, so I'm not understanding the objection here. Anyway, most millionaires are self-made. Go figure.

ill agree with you if you can find me one source citing that fact. most millionaires are definitely not self made.

An example of how cheap he is, him and my grandma have lived in the same "average" house for 30 years, and his vehicles are a 2002 Toyota Camry and a small 1993 Toyota pick up truck. And he's a millionaire. Nobody would ever know it.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm not sure if you read his post, but he was taking issue with generational wealth, so I'm not understanding the objection here. Anyway, most millionaires are self-made. Go figure.

BMD004

ill agree with you if you can find me one source citing that fact. most millionaires are definitely not self made.

maybe most millionaires. But being a millionaire doesnt mean a whole lot anymore. Estate tax is on 5 mil+ inheritance. I think.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yeah, they do.

It's not exactly a controversial claim either. Billionaires, yeah, you might be on to something. However, even a large portion of those are self-made.

Anyway, I am most curious as to why you've bothered to pursue this line of discussion, given that I've already agreed that generational wealth needs to be limited.

coolbeans90

Sounds a bit unrealistic... but im having trouble findingThomas J. Stanley's facts, and you provided a link so burden of proof is on me. So ill give it to you even thought im highly skeptical of the info.. seems ridiculously high.

Well, the number of millionaires has grown quite a bit over the years.

social mobility i belive is at a rather low point though.

with your current attitude, you dont deserve moneychaoscougar1

you are correct, i dont... ive done nothing to deserve anything.

I didnt even deserve to get into college because i slacked off hardcore in highschool...

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]with your current attitude, you dont deserve moneymarkinthedark

you are correct, i dont... ive done nothing to deserve anything.

I didnt even deserve to get into college because i slacked off hardcore in highschool...

with your current attitude, you dont deserve moneychaoscougar1

seriously you should be happy you dont have to worry about money problems
a lot of us would like to have what you have TC

and to be honest TC it people like you that really **** me off always whining about how good they have it saying that they dont deserve it
well your parents, grandparents whatever worked their ass off just so you could have a head start in life
i wasnt so lucky my moms a teacher for a crappy school district and my dads manager of circulation for a small news paper outlet and me under contract work delivering papers working my ass off so my kids can hopefully have the life that you have and not have to worry about what will be for dinner or will they have enough for clothes and hopefully put them into good schools

but if all this money really does make you feel bad then throw it all away but i can tell you your not missing much

TC....even if you are not a job creator i find it silly that you want the government to take your money for you. you want to help the poor do it yourself give them all your money. furthermore we dont have a tax income problem so much as a spending problem. for example if i keep getting a 2000 dollar credit limit credit card and keep maxing it. the solution to solving the debt isnt another credit card. it isnt an influx of money. its the fact im maxing a credit card and not paying it off and living within my budget. if i can only afford 1500 of that 2000 credit limit then spend only 1500. and pay that off. but what we are doing is spending 2000 and getting a new credit card and doing this constantly over and over but with the same budget of 1500. so we get a yearly allowance of 1500 but we are in debt 12000 for example by spending 2000 each year. you giving the government 5000 for example wont solve the debt. spending less than 1500 so i can make a profit and chomp away at the debt will solve the problem and your donation of 5000 will only be helpful if in fact i spend less than 1500 yearly. simply math folks. simple math.kayoticdreamz

ive always excelled at math, and i can tell you.. you cant relate personal finances to that of the economy.

How does your debt fluctuate according to the yen? dont know? thats a sign its not that easy. Show me the simple math explaining the dollar to yen relation.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]with your current attitude, you dont deserve moneyspawnassasin

seriously you should be happy you dont have to worry about money problems
a lot of us would like to have what you have TC

and to be honest TC it people like you that really **** me off always whining about how good they have it saying that they dont deserve it
well your parents, grandparents whatever worked their ass off just so you could have a head start in life
i wasnt so lucky my moms a teacher for a crappy school district and my dads manager of circulation for a small news paper outlet and me under contract work delivering papers working my ass off so my kids can hopefully have the life that you have and not have to worry about what will be for dinner or will they have enough for clothes and hopefully put them into good schools

but if all this money really does make you feel bad then throw it all away but i can tell you your not missing much

i dont have anything (im broke), its only when my parents croak when i get the money. I refuse to take money from them. I decided i wanted to make my own living.

why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

markinthedark

why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

markinthedark

why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

markinthedark

right here i were id punch you in the face for being so naive money is everything for most of us, money pays the bills, puts food on the table, pays for my gas
it basically keeps me off the streets and out of the slums
so yes money does make me happy

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why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

chaoscougar1

in 40 years ill just pass out the money no prob (but ill probably buy houses nearby and make you play xbox live with me). Ppl seem to be missing that i gotta wait for my old man to die first.

and while i understand the money problems thing, there is still some respect to be gained by doing it yourself and earning a living.

why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

markinthedark

I'm sorry, but money does make the world go round.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

Hatiko

I'm sorry, but money does make the world go round.

list your expenses, then list your needed income to meet them... at some point it will match. Im just saying you guys probably will meet your expectations.

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why the hell you guys want money anyhow? it doesnt make you happy, it does nothing... its so worthless.

markinthedark

I'm sorry, but money does make the world go round.

list your expenses, then list your needed income to meet them... at some point it will match. Im just saying you guys probably will meet your expectations.

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[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

I'm sorry, but money does make the world go round.

Mafiree

list your expenses, then list your needed income to meet them... at some point it will match. Im just saying you guys probably will meet your expectations.

sure it does, its why a billionaire commited suicide after he lost billions in the bernie madoff ponzie scheme... even though he was still a billionaire.

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list your expenses, then list your needed income to meet them... at some point it will match. Im just saying you guys probably will meet your expectations.

markinthedark

sure it does, its why a billionaire commited suicide after he lost billions in the bernie madoff ponzie scheme... even though he was still a billionaire.

the steps to enjoying your day after this thread.

step one - enter thread

step two - read OP

step three - notice this thread is comprised of political talking pointsand that is it.

step four - leave thread with inflated sense of self worth, at the expense of the rest of humanity

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[QUOTE="Mafiree"] People in sub-Saharan Africa can do the same exact thing. That "method" has nothing to do with standard of living.Mafiree

sure it does, its why a billionaire commited suicide after he lost billions in the bernie madoff ponzie scheme... even though he was still a billionaire.

it has alot to do with everything. will your lust for money ever be satiated? is it possible to have enough money?

Are the people that are mad at OP really believing that what he said is actually what his life consists of? Comprehension: Fail.

[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

well who works hard for an inheritance?

not half as hard as working for an actual paycheck.

markinthedark

my parents were lazy, my grandparents were lazy.... it was apparently my great grandparents that earned the money... and i dunno, they might have won it in a poker game for all i know. I just know they owned alot of land in ohio.

if it was a small company for 30 years then maybe... but thats not really how money works these days. My parents refuse to talk money with me, but im fairly certain they pay no taxes or at best next to nothing in taxes. I know for certain they dodge tax laws though.

EDIT: Well i shouldnt say my whole family line is lazy they were actually pretty smart, all engineers.

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]TC....even if you are not a job creator i find it silly that you want the government to take your money for you. you want to help the poor do it yourself give them all your money. furthermore we dont have a tax income problem so much as a spending problem. for example if i keep getting a 2000 dollar credit limit credit card and keep maxing it. the solution to solving the debt isnt another credit card. it isnt an influx of money. its the fact im maxing a credit card and not paying it off and living within my budget. if i can only afford 1500 of that 2000 credit limit then spend only 1500. and pay that off. but what we are doing is spending 2000 and getting a new credit card and doing this constantly over and over but with the same budget of 1500. so we get a yearly allowance of 1500 but we are in debt 12000 for example by spending 2000 each year. you giving the government 5000 for example wont solve the debt. spending less than 1500 so i can make a profit and chomp away at the debt will solve the problem and your donation of 5000 will only be helpful if in fact i spend less than 1500 yearly. simply math folks. simple math.markinthedark

ive always excelled at math, and i can tell you.. you cant relate personal finances to that of the economy.

How does your debt fluctuate according to the yen? dont know? thats a sign its not that easy. Show me the simple math explaining the dollar to yen relation.

Okay, let's use the logic with a poor kid then. Kid grows up and is forced to wear crappy clothing, has troubles at home which take a toll on him mentally and effect his school work which assures he won't ever be able to get into a decent college, probably underweight and smells due to lack of nutrition and bad clothing that rarely gets washed so ontop of it all he has people making fun of him at school. Kid probably grows up, lives on or near minimum wage and is forced to move out at a young age so racks up a lot of debt trying to survive on his own on a crappy minimum wage job.

Then you got a rich kid who's parents spoil him, has the latest clothing, troubles at home don't effect him as much and his parents actually care about his school work. Kid is usually a B average student and parents buy his way into college. Kid gets a degree, a good job and a nice home and doesn't have to worry about much of anything.

Is this fair? No and that's because life isn't fair. The rich will get richer and the poorer will generally get poorer. Sure there are a small percentage of poor people who make it big but it's rare and the rich lable it the poor with "Lack of ambition, lazy, bums" etc with no real understanding of anything because they never grew up like the poor did or use their personal success as the standard to which all poor people should go by.

You ask why you're a future job creator, you're not if you don't want to be because you have the money not to be. You got thousands, maybe millions of dollars due to mommy and daddy and maybe you won't even have to work a day in your life when your older. It's not fair, you don't deserve anything and you haven't done anything to deserve it besides be born.

TLDR: Life isn't fair, get over it.