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@Wickerman777 said:
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Lol, I fear things like heights. Facts are facts. I'm all for helping poor nations. But bringing them here in numbers that will eventually overwhelm us is beyond dumb.

Who here (or anywhere, frankly) has advocated to bring in an amount that will "overwhelm" the US? For example Clinton's plan called for 65,000 Syrian refugees... your country's population is over 319,000,000. And those refugees would only be the affluent ones like the ones Canada is bringing in. Hardly overwhelming, don't you think?

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. Hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

The population of America is currently 77.7% white including some hispanic and latino white groups. White alone is 66.1% , latinos/hispanics is at 17.2% and African americans 13.2%

Latinos is the fastest growing minority group.

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France has always been white.

I get the point you are trying to make but no, this is definitely not true lol. Have you ever been to France?

yeah youre right I was generalizing, my bad. I have been to France it's very multicultural. I forgot their history of Imperialism rivals most countries.

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@Solaryellow: Ignoring facts because a source shares a medium with outlets that made incorrect predictions is ridiculous. What news outlets do you trust? Breitbart, InfoWars, WND... Your gut?

It's not the incorrect predictions that gets me. It's the news sources that abandoned any semblance of being neutral. I don't trust any US-based news source. I trust foreign-based news sources. I'm more inclined to read BBC's US news coverage than CNN/Fox/MSNBC/CBS.

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#54  Edited By MrFreehuggs
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@jun_aka_pekto: Reuters is a foreign based news source. I'm not going to argue that there isnt bias from CNN, Fox or MSNBC, but 99% of the time what they are reporting on is a fact or an educated opinion. They are definitely bias.

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@Jacanuk said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@perfect_blue said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Lol, I fear things like heights. Facts are facts. I'm all for helping poor nations. But bringing them here in numbers that will eventually overwhelm us is beyond dumb.

Who here (or anywhere, frankly) has advocated to bring in an amount that will "overwhelm" the US? For example Clinton's plan called for 65,000 Syrian refugees... your country's population is over 319,000,000. And those refugees would only be the affluent ones like the ones Canada is bringing in. Hardly overwhelming, don't you think?

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. Hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

The population of America is currently 77.7% white including some hispanic and latino white groups. White alone is 66.1% , latinos/hispanics is at 17.2% and African americans 13.2%

Latinos is the fastest growing minority group.

Those are bullshit statistics. It is around 50%. What you're quoting has a bunch of stuff in it that isn't truly whites. Whites come from Europe/Russia. Everything else doesn't count.

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#56  Edited By Solaryellow
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@Solaryellow: Ignoring facts because a source shares a medium with outlets that made incorrect predictions is ridiculous. What news outlets do you trust? Breitbart, InfoWars, WND... Your gut?

None. The MSM is a joke. They screwed the pooch with this election, campaign, candidacy, etc.., but now we have take their word? Your "facts" are conjecture until proven otherwise.

Securing the border with a wall can't hurt because what we have now isn't helping. A Muslim registration though? People have to be a special kind of stupid to think that would ever happen since it could never pass Constitutional muster.

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#57 MrFreehuggs
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@Solaryellow: So where do you get your news?

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#58  Edited By Jacanuk
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@Wickerman777 said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@perfect_blue said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Lol, I fear things like heights. Facts are facts. I'm all for helping poor nations. But bringing them here in numbers that will eventually overwhelm us is beyond dumb.

Who here (or anywhere, frankly) has advocated to bring in an amount that will "overwhelm" the US? For example Clinton's plan called for 65,000 Syrian refugees... your country's population is over 319,000,000. And those refugees would only be the affluent ones like the ones Canada is bringing in. Hardly overwhelming, don't you think?

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. Hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

The population of America is currently 77.7% white including some hispanic and latino white groups. White alone is 66.1% , latinos/hispanics is at 17.2% and African americans 13.2%

Latinos is the fastest growing minority group.

Those are bullshit statistics. It is around 50%. What you're quoting has a bunch of stuff in it that isn't truly whites. Whites come from Europe/Russia. Everything else doesn't count.

Complain to the US census then,

The white population is as i stated. , if you are still having problem with the facts, try google.

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@Wickerman777: " African americans 13.2% "

That can't be accurate either right?

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@Solaryellow: Ignoring facts because a source shares a medium with outlets that made incorrect predictions is ridiculous. What news outlets do you trust? Breitbart, InfoWars, WND... Your gut?

I think he's saying he doesn't trust news agencies, that after the election, admitted they've been misleading people on purpose and failed the country.

If that doesn't say "don't trust me", I don't know what will.

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I don't see anything about Muslim registration in the quote so why is it in the topic title? Regardless, I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional so I wouldn't worry about him doing it. It'll be interesting to see which of his policies he backs away from and which he goes for. I doubt he'll have an easy time getting anything done, much less the more terrible idea like the border wall.

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#62  Edited By Wickerman777
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@Jacanuk said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. Hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

The population of America is currently 77.7% white including some hispanic and latino white groups. White alone is 66.1% , latinos/hispanics is at 17.2% and African americans 13.2%

Latinos is the fastest growing minority group.

Those are bullshit statistics. It is around 50%. What you're quoting has a bunch of stuff in it that isn't truly whites. Whites come from Europe/Russia. Everything else doesn't count.

Complain to the US census then,

The white population is as i stated. , if you are still having problem with the facts, try google.

Been plenty of articles written about this. And no, I am not going to bother fetching one for you. I suppose you took the laziest route possible and went to Wikipedia. In just the second sentence of that propaganda piece we find this:

"The United States Census Bureau defines white people as those "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa."

Hmm, do middle easterners and northern africans strike you as being white? I don't need to read any further. But believe whatever tickles your fancy, you will anyway.

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@nintendoboy16: well, I don't oppose the wall, but i wonder how much a 3000 mile double layer concrete wall would cost?

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#64 blaznwiipspman1
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@Wickerman777 said:
@perfect_blue said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Lol, I fear things like heights. Facts are facts. I'm all for helping poor nations. But bringing them here in numbers that will eventually overwhelm us is beyond dumb.

Who here (or anywhere, frankly) has advocated to bring in an amount that will "overwhelm" the US? For example Clinton's plan called for 65,000 Syrian refugees... your country's population is over 319,000,000. And those refugees would only be the affluent ones like the ones Canada is bringing in. Hardly overwhelming, don't you think?

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. One nation of em hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now many of them hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

the problem is that white americans brought this on themselves when they decided to invade a non white country surrounded by non whites in all directions. Complaining about it doesn't really make sense. If you want to remain all white go back to europe and the scandinavian countries where multiculturalism is just a talking point.

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@nintendoboy16: well, I don't oppose the wall, but i wonder how much a 3000 mile double layer concrete wall would cost?

The tears of all the protesters.

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@nintendoboy16: well, I don't oppose the wall, but i wonder how much a 3000 mile double layer concrete wall would cost?

The tears of all the protesters.

probably not enough. Mexico won't pay for the wall either, trump is an idiot if he thinks they will

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@perfect_blue said:
@Wickerman777 said:

Lol, I fear things like heights. Facts are facts. I'm all for helping poor nations. But bringing them here in numbers that will eventually overwhelm us is beyond dumb.

Who here (or anywhere, frankly) has advocated to bring in an amount that will "overwhelm" the US? For example Clinton's plan called for 65,000 Syrian refugees... your country's population is over 319,000,000. And those refugees would only be the affluent ones like the ones Canada is bringing in. Hardly overwhelming, don't you think?

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. One nation of em hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now many of them hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

the problem is that white americans brought this on themselves when they decided to invade a non white country surrounded by non whites in all directions. Complaining about it doesn't really make sense. If you want to remain all white go back to europe and the scandinavian countries where multiculturalism is just a talking point.

A talking point, lol. Sweden will probably collapse within 15 years or so because of multiculturalism and you say it's just a talking point. Hilarious.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@nintendoboy16: well, I don't oppose the wall, but i wonder how much a 3000 mile double layer concrete wall would cost?

Again, if I lived down in Mexico I would just blow big parts of it up for shits and giggles.

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@n64dd: The media never admitted to misleading people on purpose. The media is not a united group and one person/company in the media does not speak for all media groups.

Misleading viewers with polls would be a huge mistake. According to Trump and his followers, the media is bias against him. So comforting your viewers who are Hillary supporters by showing poll after poll of Clinton taking the win kills the viewers' motivation to go vote. It also pushes Trump supporters to get out and vote.

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@n64dd: The media never admitted to misleading people on purpose. The media is not a united group and one person/company in the media does not speak for all media groups.

Misleading viewers with polls would be a huge mistake. According to Trump and his followers, the media is bias against him. So comforting your viewers who are Hillary supporters by showing poll after poll of Clinton taking the win kills the viewers' motivation to go vote. It also pushes Trump supporters to get out and vote.

Both sides were down cuz the campaign was so negative. Trump got less votes than Romney did in 2012.

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@Wickerman777: Romney had 60.9 million votes, Trump has 61.2 million votes, so far.

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@Wickerman777: Romney had 60.9 million votes, Trump has 61.2 million votes, so far.

Unless something has changed I don't know where you're getting that. Everything I've heard so far says that Romney outperformed Trump. Here's an example link.:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10641/trump-won-fewer-votes-romney-did-aaron-bandler#

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But hey, I admit I'm going by something I heard several days ago. I suppose it could have changed since then. But anyway, neither one of them really lit it up. Against a popular candidate either one of them would have lost.

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#74  Edited By MrFreehuggs
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@Wickerman777: That article is from Nov 9th. They don't count all of the votes in less than 24 hours. They're still counting them. It took them 10 days to count the votes in 2012. You are right that voter turnout was down overall, though. Only 57% compared to 58% and 59% from the last 2 elections.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/

http://time.com/4572295/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-lead/

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If you care so much about human rights and feel so much pain for Mexicans and Muslims, go volunteer to help in their country.

No idea about the registry thing, although I don't trust the media at this point.

But building a wall along the border of your country to stop illegal immigration is definitely not removing anyone's human rights.

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@Solaryellow: Ignoring facts because a source shares a medium with outlets that made incorrect predictions is ridiculous. What news outlets do you trust? Breitbart, InfoWars, WND... Your gut?

You shouldn't trust any of them. Most media is about pushing certain agendas via reporting.

You should take them all as possibly correct, and look for falsification from alternative sites.

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I like the idea of the wall xD You know, here in Europe people from Africa come here with boats in horrible condition. How far into the ocean does this wall actually go to be a bigger challenge than coming from Africa to Europe? :D

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@Wickerman777 said:
@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@perfect_blue said:

Who here (or anywhere, frankly) has advocated to bring in an amount that will "overwhelm" the US? For example Clinton's plan called for 65,000 Syrian refugees... your country's population is over 319,000,000. And those refugees would only be the affluent ones like the ones Canada is bringing in. Hardly overwhelming, don't you think?

Uhh, the population of America is already 50% non-white. We're plenty diverse enough already. Look, when Mexico or Saudi Arabia decides to become just 50% Mexican or 50% Arab I'll agree multiculturalism can work. But that ain't gonna happen cuz they don't believe in the shit you do.

And why the hell am I debating this anyway?! It's pointless. This is clearly a religion for you and religion just can't be debated. Whether you want to admit it or not no other ethnicity on the planet sees this the way you do. And that means you're the odd man out, the nutcase. But whites have always had a crazy streak, I guess. One nation of em hell bent on killing everyone else in the 30s and 40s and now many of them hell bent on offing themselves. Always gotta be something.

the problem is that white americans brought this on themselves when they decided to invade a non white country surrounded by non whites in all directions. Complaining about it doesn't really make sense. If you want to remain all white go back to europe and the scandinavian countries where multiculturalism is just a talking point.

A talking point, lol. Sweden will probably collapse within 15 years or so because of multiculturalism and you say it's just a talking point. Hilarious.

dumb irrational fears, there will always be "whites" around. Maybe they might be more mixed than normal, but the whites as you call it will be here for a long time, long past the time your dead. Even if you don't go past the surface skin colour, there are caucasians in the world who aren't depigmented white, and have DNA that is similar to most europeans. Im talking about middle easterners, north africans, russians and indians.

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#79  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@Wickerman777: Immigrants from other countries tend to be leaving those countries because they're war torn shitholes and they're looking for a better home for their families. I wasn't raised to believe that if it doesn't affect me, I should ignore it. Them having been born somewhere else or practicing a different religion is secondary to the fact that the are human beings. They aren't fighting for my rights because they're bush fighting for their own.

The problem with this is the very REAL concerns with the "refugee" crisis.. I use quotations for that because upwards to 50% or more of the refugees are not actually from Syria.. But a bunch of young men from North African and other Middle Eastern nations trying to take advantage of the situation.. This is a problem because their religion IS their government where they are from.. Many are in full support of Sharia law etc etc... Hence why we are seeing violence, rape, and the like increase in countries like France, Germany etc etc.. Now does it mean we should stop all refugee's from coming over? Of course not, but at the same time we should not do what Germany and France has done.. And yes their religion is a big concern.. The countries they come from women are treated like second class citizens, they stone people, they throw gays off buildings.. Currently gay refugees have to be housed in different camps for protection from the other refugees... This kind of ideology is not compatible with western cultures..

And watching governments like Germany and France condoning or showing leeway towards this behavior is gross.

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@sSubZerOo: Where did you get the 50% are from outside of Syria number? And have you seen the process for vetting refugees? It's not like someone says 'I'm Syrian and I want to be American,' and the US government let's them in. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

And yes, of course there's going to be culture shock/clash. Minnesota has about 25,000 Muslim Somali refugees and they are now a beloved part of the community. So, it can work.

France and Germany have nearly open borders for refugees and I agree that this is a problem, but the US has taken in just over 2000 Syrian refugees since 2011, and none of them have been arrested.

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@MrFreehuggs said:

@sSubZerOo: Where did you get the 50% are from outside of Syria number? And have you seen the process for vetting refugees? It's not like someone says 'I'm Syrian and I want to be American,' and the US government let's them in. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

And yes, of course there's going to be culture shock/clash. Minnesota has about 25,000 Muslim Somali refugees and they are now a beloved part of the community. So, it can work.

France and Germany have nearly open borders for refugees and I agree that this is a problem, but the US has taken in just over 2000 Syrian refugees since 2011, and none of them have been arrested.

... Hence why I said I was for it but not at the levels of France and Germany.. And yeah it's that high in Europe, literally do a google search about that.. The majority of the refugees are economic migrants from all over that region..

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It has happened before and will happen again.

The Constitution is a piece of paper whose words can be twisted to fit any agenda and our "checks-and-balances" is made irrelevant.

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It has happened before and will happen again.

The Constitution is a piece of paper whose words can be twisted to fit any agenda and our "checks-and-balances" is made irrelevant.

The end is near!

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Why the hell you people care about this stuff is beyond me. Exactly how does illegal immigration from Mexico or Muslim immigration from the middle east make YOUR life better? Is it because the talking heads on TV tell you that you should feel that way? I understand why a Muslim wants it and I understand why Mexicans want it. But for the life of me I cannot wrap my head around where the logic is for a white kid in a suburb screaming to the heavens "OMG I'm just gonna die if we don't get more Muslims in here!" Mexicans are not pleading for more whites, Muslims are not begging for more Christians, yet you guys ... Someone has got to be nuts here and I just cannot believe that the overwhelming majority of the planet that isn't begging and pleading for foreign immigration are the crazy ones and the tiny minority of the globe that is white people (Just 5% of the population) whom act as though every time a foreigner enters their land an angel gets its wings are the only sane ones. It's one thing to not be against immigration but I see white kids at these protests actually bawling their eyes out when immigration is brought up and it's freaking weird! They look as though this ain't just an opinion for them but some kind of religious belief.

Well for one thing, it keeps the price of food down. The agriculture industry hires Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, because they are willing to work longer hours for less money than citizens.

He says he's tried to hire Americans, but he simply can't find enough able and willing do the work.

"The truth is, nobody is raising their kids to be farm workers," he says.

http://www.voanews.com/a/us-farmers-depend-on-illegal-immigrants-100541644/162082.html

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I don't see anything about Muslim registration in the quote so why is it in the topic title? Regardless, I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional so I wouldn't worry about him doing it. It'll be interesting to see which of his policies he backs away from and which he goes for. I doubt he'll have an easy time getting anything done, much less the more terrible idea like the border wall.

Because it's in the name of the linked article? It's just an excerpt.

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@Toxic-Seahorse said:

I don't see anything about Muslim registration in the quote so why is it in the topic title? Regardless, I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional so I wouldn't worry about him doing it. It'll be interesting to see which of his policies he backs away from and which he goes for. I doubt he'll have an easy time getting anything done, much less the more terrible idea like the border wall.

Because it's in the name of the linked article? It's just an excerpt.

No it doesn't.. It says specifically registration of immigrants from Muslim country's.. Not all immigrants from said regions are Muslim, and not all Muslim's immigrate from those countries.. But what those countries do have, is a disproportionately large amount of violent radicals.

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@MrFreehuggs said:

@sSubZerOo: Where did you get the 50% are from outside of Syria number? And have you seen the process for vetting refugees? It's not like someone says 'I'm Syrian and I want to be American,' and the US government let's them in. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

And yes, of course there's going to be culture shock/clash. Minnesota has about 25,000 Muslim Somali refugees and they are now a beloved part of the community. So, it can work.

France and Germany have nearly open borders for refugees and I agree that this is a problem, but the US has taken in just over 2000 Syrian refugees since 2011, and none of them have been arrested.

... Hence why I said I was for it but not at the levels of France and Germany.. And yeah it's that high in Europe, literally do a google search about that.. The majority of the refugees are economic migrants from all over that region..

Its high over there because they are close by. Its hard to travel by water. A country is not allowed to turn away refugees, thats illegal. If refugees make it to your land, whether it be by walking or by boat, by law you have to take them in.

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@iandizion713 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@MrFreehuggs said:

@sSubZerOo: Where did you get the 50% are from outside of Syria number? And have you seen the process for vetting refugees? It's not like someone says 'I'm Syrian and I want to be American,' and the US government let's them in. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

And yes, of course there's going to be culture shock/clash. Minnesota has about 25,000 Muslim Somali refugees and they are now a beloved part of the community. So, it can work.

France and Germany have nearly open borders for refugees and I agree that this is a problem, but the US has taken in just over 2000 Syrian refugees since 2011, and none of them have been arrested.

... Hence why I said I was for it but not at the levels of France and Germany.. And yeah it's that high in Europe, literally do a google search about that.. The majority of the refugees are economic migrants from all over that region..

Its high over there because they are close by. Its hard to travel by water. A country is not allowed to turn away refugees, thats illegal. If refugees make it to your land, whether it be by walking or by boat, by law you have to take them in.

You might want to tell that to the US government that turned away Haitian refugees.. They must have not gotten the memo. Or the neighboring countries in the region like Saudi Arabia, our allies, who has refused to take in any refugees. And no, a country is not obligated to take on refugees.. It is their sovereign right to do as they wish within their borders in who they can let in and not.. Are you against a nation's sovereignty now?

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@garywood69: One American News cuts out a lot of the filling. They don't spend the whole day scaring people about Trump. There is world hunger and famine but mainstream media is all over this #IWillRegister movement instead.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Toxic-Seahorse said:

I don't see anything about Muslim registration in the quote so why is it in the topic title? Regardless, I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional so I wouldn't worry about him doing it. It'll be interesting to see which of his policies he backs away from and which he goes for. I doubt he'll have an easy time getting anything done, much less the more terrible idea like the border wall.

Because it's in the name of the linked article? It's just an excerpt.

No it doesn't.. It says specifically registration of immigrants from Muslim country's.. Not all immigrants from said regions are Muslim, and not all Muslim's immigrate from those countries.. But what those countries do have, is a disproportionately large amount of violent radicals.

Alright! Fine, I'll revise the title. But given how Trump delivers his statements, is it THAT far off?

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Toxic-Seahorse said:

I don't see anything about Muslim registration in the quote so why is it in the topic title? Regardless, I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional so I wouldn't worry about him doing it. It'll be interesting to see which of his policies he backs away from and which he goes for. I doubt he'll have an easy time getting anything done, much less the more terrible idea like the border wall.

Because it's in the name of the linked article? It's just an excerpt.

No it doesn't.. It says specifically registration of immigrants from Muslim country's.. Not all immigrants from said regions are Muslim, and not all Muslim's immigrate from those countries.. But what those countries do have, is a disproportionately large amount of violent radicals.

Alright! Fine, I'll revise the title. But given how Trump delivers his statements, is it THAT far off?

Well yeah.. One seems pretty reasonable in keeping track of immigrants from nations known to have a large amount of dangerous radicals.. The other one would be violating the first amendment rights of American citizens.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@iandizion713 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@MrFreehuggs said:

@sSubZerOo: Where did you get the 50% are from outside of Syria number? And have you seen the process for vetting refugees? It's not like someone says 'I'm Syrian and I want to be American,' and the US government let's them in. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

And yes, of course there's going to be culture shock/clash. Minnesota has about 25,000 Muslim Somali refugees and they are now a beloved part of the community. So, it can work.

France and Germany have nearly open borders for refugees and I agree that this is a problem, but the US has taken in just over 2000 Syrian refugees since 2011, and none of them have been arrested.

... Hence why I said I was for it but not at the levels of France and Germany.. And yeah it's that high in Europe, literally do a google search about that.. The majority of the refugees are economic migrants from all over that region..

Its high over there because they are close by. Its hard to travel by water. A country is not allowed to turn away refugees, thats illegal. If refugees make it to your land, whether it be by walking or by boat, by law you have to take them in.

You might want to tell that to the US government that turned away Haitian refugees.. They must have not gotten the memo. Or the neighboring countries in the region like Saudi Arabia, our allies, who has refused to take in any refugees. And no, a country is not obligated to take on refugees.. It is their sovereign right to do as they wish within their borders in who they can let in and not.. Are you against a nation's sovereignty now?

Over the past several decades, 142 states have signed on to both the 1951 Refugee Convention and the 1967 protocol. Noticeably absent from the list: the Gulf states of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

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@iandizion713: @sSubZerOo: Also, it's for refugees seeking protection from persecution. Haitian refugees were not trying to escape persecution, but the aftermath of a natural disaster.

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@iandizion713 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@iandizion713 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@MrFreehuggs said:

@sSubZerOo: Where did you get the 50% are from outside of Syria number? And have you seen the process for vetting refugees? It's not like someone says 'I'm Syrian and I want to be American,' and the US government let's them in. https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

And yes, of course there's going to be culture shock/clash. Minnesota has about 25,000 Muslim Somali refugees and they are now a beloved part of the community. So, it can work.

France and Germany have nearly open borders for refugees and I agree that this is a problem, but the US has taken in just over 2000 Syrian refugees since 2011, and none of them have been arrested.

... Hence why I said I was for it but not at the levels of France and Germany.. And yeah it's that high in Europe, literally do a google search about that.. The majority of the refugees are economic migrants from all over that region..

Its high over there because they are close by. Its hard to travel by water. A country is not allowed to turn away refugees, thats illegal. If refugees make it to your land, whether it be by walking or by boat, by law you have to take them in.

You might want to tell that to the US government that turned away Haitian refugees.. They must have not gotten the memo. Or the neighboring countries in the region like Saudi Arabia, our allies, who has refused to take in any refugees. And no, a country is not obligated to take on refugees.. It is their sovereign right to do as they wish within their borders in who they can let in and not.. Are you against a nation's sovereignty now?

Over the past several decades, 142 states have signed on to both the 1951 Refugee Convention and the 1967 protocol. Noticeably absent from the list: the Gulf states of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

Hence not a law, but a agreement, in which they can back out of.. And the US on two separate occasions have turned away Haitian refugee's.

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@sSubZerOo:

"In addition to not getting sent back to their home countries, refugees have several other rights, including:"

  • The right to not be punished for illegally entering countries that signed on to the treaty
  • The right to housing
  • The right to work
  • Access to education
  • Access to public assistance
  • Access to courts
  • The right to get identification and travel documents
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what is funny is that trump is about to gut environmental regulations. This will bring in record numbers of displaced refugees from poorer countries when the global warming shit hits the fan.

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I will vehemently oppose any law that makes only certain people "register". Immigrants are already vetted.

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I do not think our president, a 70 year old man, knows that the Country of Mexico is not a small carpentry or cement business. He cannot just threaten to sue them until their legal defense dries up, or harass them into paying bills he arbitrarily imposes. What an absurd piece of shit. All I know is that America is about to get way dumber than before. And I thought that was impossible.

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So here's an interesting video regarding a muslim registry.

http://jezebel.com/trump-surrogate-cites-japanese-internment-camps-as-prec-1789074483

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Making muslims register is an idiotic and unconstitutional idea...

Simply refuse the current numbers of Syrian refugees to enter the country and 90 % of the problem is solved.