Richard Dawkins: Adam and Eve symbolic?

this is highly relevant to alot of discussions I have seen on this forum over the years

Oh Richard, you so crazy, Jesus actually got tortured to death because his omnipotent father had no option.

Wait...

Oh Richard, you so crazy, Jesus actually got tortured to death because his omnipotent father had no option.

Wait...

Hakarie

Jesus died for our sins... Adam and Eve were already dead when Jesus was knocking about.... duh? I mean, he's a professor and that's the best he could come up with?SolidSnake35

Yeah well, when you are arguing against men made out of mud and cosmic zombie jews, even saying nothing seems like an overkill.

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Jesus died for our sins... Adam and Eve were already dead when Jesus was knocking about.... duh? I mean, he's a professor and that's the best he could come up with?Hakarie

Yeah well, when you are arguing against men made out of mud and cosmic zombie jews, even saying nothing seems like an overkill.

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

Omni-Wrath

As arrogant as he may be, he bases his points on proven facts, not fantasy. So he will always have the upperhand.

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Jesus died for our sins... Adam and Eve were already dead when Jesus was knocking about.... duh? I mean, he's a professor and that's the best he could come up with?SolidSnake35

Yeah well, when you are arguing against men made out of mud and cosmic zombie jews, even saying nothing seems like an overkill.

He was referring to how, according to the bible, humanity is the product of Adam and Eve, which are indirectly responsible for our sins.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Hakarie"]

Yeah well, when you are arguing against men made out of mud and cosmic zombie jews, even saying nothing seems like an overkill.

Hakarie

He was referring to how, according to the bible, humanity is the product of Adam and Eve, which are indirectly responsible for our sins.

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Except he didn't say nothing. He said something totally stupid.SolidSnake35

He was referring to how, according to the bible, humanity is the product of Adam and Eve, which are indirectly responsible for our sins.

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

Hakarie

As arrogant as he may be, he bases his points on proven facts, not fantasy. So he will always have the upperhand.

The upper hand?

He is too baised to listen. He will blame relgion for every possible thing that is wrong with the world. He belives religion is the root of all evil, and if you try to challenge that he'll go along the lines like " God is as real as unicorns and you don't need disprove unicorns right?" just to throw everything thing out.

[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

Omni-Wrath

As arrogant as he may be, he bases his points on proven facts, not fantasy. So he will always have the upperhand.

The upper hand?

He is too baised to listen. He will blame relgion for every possible thing that is wrong with the world. He belives religion is the root of all evil, and if you try to challenge that he'll go along the lines like " God is as real as unicorns and you don't need disprove unicorns right?" just to throw everything thing out.

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

Omni-Wrath

I think he's an assbag too, and I'm an atheist as well.

There's a strong point to be made about how religion can be used as a destructive tool, and it'd absolutely be fair and reasonable for him to do stuff like opposing creationism being taught as a valid theory. My problem is that he seems to take real delight in acting like people are totally ****ing stupid just for being religious.

More than anything else, I just get the impression that he just likes to stick it to the religious people. And if that's the case, then that really just makes him a huge piece of ****. After all, I know a LOT of Christians, and most of them aren't constantly trying to look down on me just because I'm an atheist. Yeah, that's right. The vast majority of the Christians that I know are generally willing to treat me with respect and not constantly say **** like how I'm going to Hell. So what's up with the angry bitter atheists who act like it's their duty to spread the word about how stupid and moronic religion is? Don't they realize that they're really EXACTLY the same as the religious person preaching hellfire and damnation, except that they're doing that with a different set of beliefs? The whole thing just seems infantile, in my opinion.

I personally like to think that he serves the purpose of letting religious extremists see how crazy they sound. Sadly people have confirmation bias :(Ace6301

And I guess "religious extremists" is the same thing as "everyone who believes in a god".

My problem with him is that he seems to act as if merely being religious is the same thing as exercising religious extremism.

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

Omni-Wrath

I would not say he blindly opposes religion. He has some actual points that make sense, unlike most of the extreme religious folks who just follow blind faith. I would blame many of the wolrd's prblems on religion. Just look how much racial differences set everyone apart and have been responsible for some atrocious acts in history. Religion is just another excuse to set people apart to de-humanize them.

That being said, I do not personally seek to discredit religion, and I do not agree with Dawkin's goals. However, his opinion is founded. I say live and let live; as long as no ones trying to convert me, I have no reason to fight with them. Dawkins takes every opportunity start conflict.

I mean, he's a professor and that's the best he could come up with?SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I personally like to think that he serves the purpose of letting religious extremists see how crazy they sound. Sadly people have confirmation bias :(MrGeezer

And I guess "religious extremists" is the same thing as "everyone who believes in a god".

My problem with him is that he seems to act as if merely being religious is the same thing as exercising religious extremism.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I mean, he's a professor and that's the best he could come up with?ZEYAAM898

I think it kinda makes sense. Care to explain otherwise?

[QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Richard Dawkins, a militant atheist, hell bent on destroying religion, will not listen to their opinion and constantly discredits religion, he is as bad any religious fanatic. Dawkins, blindly opposes religion. He doesn't even try to understand what he opposes because thinks it isn't worth understanding. His fame comes from being the most arrogant and biased biologist in the world which attracts his many fanboys.

Dawkins is arrogant enough to discredit any scientist in this time if they believe in religion. He claims a real scientist does not believe in religion.

MrGeezer

I think he's an assbag too, and I'm an atheist as well.

There's a strong point to be made about how religion can be used as a destructive tool, and it'd absolutely be fair and reasonable for him to do stuff like opposing creationism being taught as a valid theory. My problem is that he seems to take real delight in acting like people are totally ****ing stupid just for being religious.

More than anything else, I just get the impression that he just likes to stick it to the religious people. And if that's the case, then that really just makes him a huge piece of ****. After all, I know a LOT of Christians, and most of them aren't constantly trying to look down on me just because I'm an atheist. Yeah, that's right. The vast majority of the Christians that I know are generally willing to treat me with respect and not constantly say **** like how I'm going to Hell. So what's up with the angry bitter atheists who act like it's their duty to spread the word about how stupid and moronic religion is? Don't they realize that they're really EXACTLY the same as the religious person preaching hellfire and damnation, except that they're doing that with a different set of beliefs? The whole thing just seems infantile, in my opinion.

[QUOTE="ZEYAAM898"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I mean, he's a professor and that's the best he could come up with?Tokugawa77

I think it kinda makes sense. Care to explain otherwise?

Since when do Adam and Eve corralate with Jesus's execution? Outside of both being in the bible that is?

Adam and Eve are responsible for Sin.

Yahweh created Adam and Eve with no intelligence and no concept of morality. So when they ate the Apple from the Tree of Knowledge (That Yahweh inexplicably put for no reason)this created the first instance of human sin. When Jesus sacrificed himself, it was to remove the original sin that Adam and Eve created and allowed Christians to get into Heaven through acceptance of him as the son and the Holy Spirit.

So why did Yahweh wait til Adam and Eve reproduced millions of people before threatening judgement? Why didn't Yahweh just kill Adam and Eve right there and start over with a new pair? Why did he not foresee thousands of years into the future of pain and suffering? Why hold grudge? Why did he create his son, send him to his death, just to prevent a scenario that HE himself engineered?

Because the story was made up (and poorly written with obvious conceptsstolen from Greek mythology)

Hey Dawkins,

If god doesn't exist, then why do you hate him so much?

cybr:1

Dawkins: 0

Since when do Adam and Eve corralate with Jesus's execution? Outside of both being in the bible that is?

Serraph105

original sin and the fall of mankind are central facits of christian (and muslim) theology.

[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]I think it kinda makes sense. Care to explain otherwise?SolidSnake35

Even if they didn't exist, that doesn't mean there was never an original sin that Jesus died for.ZumaJones07

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

Since when do Adam and Eve corralate with Jesus's execution? Outside of both being in the bible that is?

arbitor365

original sin and the fall of mankind are central facits of christian (and muslim) theology.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

Since when do Adam and Eve corralate with Jesus's execution? Outside of both being in the bible that is?

Serraph105

original sin and the fall of mankind are central facits of christian (and muslim) theology.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]I think it kinda makes sense. Care to explain otherwise?scorch-62

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

Since when do Adam and Eve corralate with Jesus's execution? Outside of both being in the bible that is?

Serraph105

original sin and the fall of mankind are central facits of christian (and muslim) theology.

But most religious people, like most atheists are just people who have their own views and don't push those views on others.Ace6301

Which is sort of why I tend to think that both "anti-religion" and "anti-atheism" are equally childish.

Those positions aren't about opposing people who are being assbags. They're justifications to BE an assbag. And it's always justified, because the "other guys" are either just evil atheists or morons who are stupid enough to believe in a god. In both cases, all I generally tend to see those kinds of people doing is satidfying a desire for self-gratification.

Why didn't Yahweh just make Jesus in the first place instead of Adam and Eve?

Hey Dawkins,

If god doesn't exist, then why do you hate him so much?

cybr:1

Dawkins: 0

cybrcatter

honestly no one needs to harbor as much hate towards an idea such as religion that this guy seems to have.Serraph105

people like dawkins oppose christianity (and religion in general) because it causes harm in the world. in many places around the world, religious laws against blasphemy and apostasy are in place that call for capital punishment. because of religious influence in government, gay people still cant get married or adopt children in most states. christians pushing for abstinence only education have helped to create an STD and teen pregnancy epidemic in the southern states. Christians have effectively blocked stem cell research, something that holds to key to our medical future. we are currently fighting a war that is heavily influenced on both sides by religion. just last week a gay teenager in iowa was kicked to death by a bunch of fundie bigots.

and you wonder why us non beleivers oppose your religion?

if you want to see it explained more thoroughly why this arguement is BS here is a nice video on the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

[ah, in that case I would tell him that he was dying for all the sin in the world and not simply the original sin. honestly no one needs to harbor as much hate towards an idea such as religion that this guy seems to have.Serraph105

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

Hey Dawkins,

If god doesn't exist, then why do you hate him so much?

cybr:1

Dawkins: 0

arbitor365

people like dawkins oppose christianity because it causes harm in the world. in many places around the world, religious laws against blasphemy and apostasy are in place that call for capital punishment. because of religious influence in government, gay people still cant get married or adopt children in most states. christians pushing for abstinence only education have helped to create an STD and teen pregnancy epidemic in the southern states. Christians have effectively blocked stem cell research, something that holds to key to our medical future. we are currently fighting a war that is heavily influenced on both sides by religion. just last week a gay teenager in iowa was kicked to death by a bunch of fundie bigots.

and you wonder why us non beleivers oppose your religion?

if you want to see it explained more thoroughly why this arguement is BS here is a nice video on the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

people like dawkins oppose christianity because it causes harm in the world. in many places around the world, religious laws against blasphemy and apostasy are in place that call for capital punishment. because of religious influence in government, gay people still cant get married or adopt children in most states. christians pushing for abstinence only education have helped to create an STD and teen pregnancy epidemic in the southern states. Christians have effectively blocked stem cell research, something that holds to key to our medical future. we are currently fighting a war that is heavily influenced on both sides by religion. just last week a gay teenager in iowa was kicked to death by a bunch of fundie bigots.and you wonder why us non beleivers oppose your religion?

if you want to see it explained more thoroughly why this arguement is BS here is a nice video on the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

Hey Dawkins,

If god doesn't exist, then why do you hate him so much?

cybr:1

Dawkins: 0

cybrcatter

people like dawkins oppose christianity because it causes harm in the world. in many places around the world, religious laws against blasphemy and apostasy are in place that call for capital punishment. because of religious influence in government, gay people still cant get married or adopt children in most states. christians pushing for abstinence only education have helped to create an STD and teen pregnancy epidemic in the southern states. Christians have effectively blocked stem cell research, something that holds to key to our medical future. we are currently fighting a war that is heavily influenced on both sides by religion. just last week a gay teenager in iowa was kicked to death by a bunch of fundie bigots.

and you wonder why us non beleivers oppose your religion?

if you want to see it explained more thoroughly why this arguement is BS here is a nice video on the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

Since when do Adam and Eve corralate with Jesus's execution? Outside of both being in the bible that is?

Serraph105

original sin and the fall of mankind are central facits of christian (and muslim) theology.

Hate? What Hate, he just pointed out a simple contradiction. You're the one taken major offense to this, and you will because the whole point atheism is to be skeptical of theism. How do you fault something for being what it's supposed to be?

I think this video explains what you're feeling towards Atheism right now.

• Despair
• Frustration
• Resentment
• Anger
• Agressiveness
• Antisocial Behavior

My religion?

Apologies for not fitting the stereotype like you:

cybrcatter

The atheist is the angry insecure one? The POPE is TOLERANT? Oh for the love of... Atheists don't fly airplanes into buildings. They don't hate gay people for being what they were born as, nor do they seek to actively restrict their civil rights. Atheists don't seek to destroy our childrens science education because it may make some of them question the dusty old book of sheep herder myths. You are completely out of touch.

My religion?

Apologies for not fitting the stereotype like you:

cybrcatter

well excuuuuse me for assuming you are a christian (considering that you are accusing someone of hating god). what are you then? a Muslim, Jew, Mormon, scientologist? honestly, I really dont care

because whatever your religion is, it doesnt change how idiotic that argument is. it assumes from the outset that religion is benign (which it never has been) and the only reason someone would oppose it is out of prejeduce

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

Hey Dawkins,

If god doesn't exist, then why do you hate him so much?

cybr:1

Dawkins: 0

cybrcatter

people like dawkins oppose christianity because it causes harm in the world. in many places around the world, religious laws against blasphemy and apostasy are in place that call for capital punishment. because of religious influence in government, gay people still cant get married or adopt children in most states. christians pushing for abstinence only education have helped to create an STD and teen pregnancy epidemic in the southern states. Christians have effectively blocked stem cell research, something that holds to key to our medical future. we are currently fighting a war that is heavily influenced on both sides by religion. just last week a gay teenager in iowa was kicked to death by a bunch of fundie bigots.

and you wonder why us non beleivers oppose your religion?

if you want to see it explained more thoroughly why this arguement is BS here is a nice video on the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

That picture doesn't even seem to get what agnosticism is. Despite his objections, Carl Sagan was an agnostic atheist.

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"] My religion?

Apologies for not fitting the stereotype like you:

arbitor365

well excuuuuse me for assuming you are a christian (considering that you are accusing someone of hating god). what are you then? a Muslim, Jew, Mormon, scientologist?

Where is your god now?

Hate? What Hate, he just pointed out a simple contradiction.

Blue-Sky

See, what this thread is really missing is context.

See, that kind of reply might absolutely be reasonble. If Dawkins was giving a lecture on biology and some stupid jackass in the audience started trying to question the man on religion. In that case, whoever posed the question would be the jackass.

On the other hand, Dawkins is pretty damn well known for intentionally trying to anger and upset theists, so it's quite possible that that whole quote was entirely unprovoked. That'd make DAWKINS the jackass, if that were the case.

But it's hard to know, since there was no link provided. No elaboration as to the specific context in which Dawkins made the quote. And that's the fault of the person who started this topic. Without context, it's hard to make any kinds of judgements. ESPECIALLY regarding someone whose comments tend to incite such polarization.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I already did. Jesus died for our sin, which is very real. He did not die solely for a symbolic sin. The end.SolidSnake35

No, actually, he didn't. According to many CHristian ideologies humans are born in sin. What they do in life is meaningless, orginal sin has made it so that going through birth a sin in itself, because of Adam and Eve's transgression against god. In this way, everyone needs forgiveness, and no one is free of sin.