Rights for Artificial Intelligence.

AI/Robots should have no rights. If we ever get to the point where they serve that big of a role in our society, giving them rights is one step closer to them surpassing Man and taking over.

Pirate700

agreed

"robots" are already costing us jobs, the last thing they need is to be self-aware, band together, and form a "kill all humans" agenda

Are we talking Artificial intelligence that has actually obtained independent sentient thought or just an illusion put in thought the code? There is a massive difference.ferret-gamer

I firmly believe no creations in our lifetime will achieve true sentience. A true concisousnees can be mimicked, but to actually experience life, I think it's a much deeper phenomena. I'm afraid people will be too compassionate for them, our very nature will blind us to what is just a machine.

Yes i think AI should have rights. Maybe more so than humans.
They can be more efficient and to the point. Without facade or slowdown.
Unlike with humans, they are rational and their intention is pure.
I would totally support AI rights.

KungfuKitten

No rights whatsoever.

Wait? i'm sorry. Why the hell would we make sentient machines that look exaclty like humans and walk around(ineeficiently) like us? I mean i can understand labor units and the like but why make them sentient? The only sentient machines we should make are giant "brains" (computers or w/e) to help us and they obvoulsy would be given awesome care. An if we did have that kind of technolgy we would probobaly mold with it (have artificial implants in the like) so we would probably be more rational and accepting. also look at Ray kurzweil if you are interested in this stuff.

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AI/Robots should have no rights. If we ever get to the point where they serve that big of a role in our society, giving them rights is one step closer to them surpassing Man and taking over.

mrbojangles25

agreed

"robots" are already costing us jobs, the last thing they need is to be self-aware, band together, and form a "kill all humans" agenda

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Yes i think AI should have rights. Maybe more so than humans.
They can be more efficient and to the point. Without facade or slowdown.
Unlike with humans, they are rational and their intention is pure.
I would totally support AI rights.

chaplainDMK

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]What if it is programed to say "Hey, can you please not treat me like I'm worthless? It's making me feel sad"? That's the problem with AI researchers, most of them don't differentiate from a simulation and the real deal. For a machine to develop cognition I think it will be so different from ours that we wouldn't easily recognize feelings and other things that show it is a cognoscent being. I don't think a machine will ever be capable of showing human-like kind of cognition.comp_atkins

No because a human is not just a brain.

For it to actually emulate and not just simulate a human you would need to replicate the whole human experience from its biological nature to its evolutionary history going back millions and millions of years to the cultural and social aspect of cognition (that is one of the main errors of AI, they forget they are dealing with highly social animals here).

And even if we wanted to do that (which frankly I don't know why anyone would want to do that because then we wouldn't be making a machine but a human and we already do that by having sex), before we could extrapolate all of that and somehow code it into a machine we would have to understand it first which is probably even more difficult. So no I don't believe it is possible to replicate human cognition in a machine but I believe a machine could eventually develop its own kind of consciousness most likely completely or a lot different from that of humans although we are also very very far from that possibility even though there are already people trying to do that. Lookup situated AI.

Well, we shouldn't be giving robots and AI feelings in the first place.

The-Tree

This.

What the heck would we be giving robots feelings for?!

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]i don't see why not. we support the rights of animals, why not the rights of artificial beings?surrealnumber5

Well, if they can be multiplied by Ctrl + v, then I would be quite hesitant to hand over humanity to a few malicious programmers.

No, they have no feelings, we should make them our slaves and do only we want, we don't some robot rights movement.

i don't see why not. we support the rights of animals, why not the rights of artificial beings?comp_atkins

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]i don't see why not. we support the rights of animals, why not the rights of artificial beings?aransom

Wait? i'm sorry. Why the hell would we make sentient machines that look exaclty like humans and walk around(ineeficiently) like usClydefrog92

Walking isn't all that inefficient, 1 gallon of gas = 31k calories, average human only consumes 1600ish, we can walk much further than a mile, and a large amount of that isn't going to our movement, but rather our brain. Relative to a car, which devotes almost all it's calories to movement, sure it weighs 15x more and goes faster... but it's not going any further relative to it's weight and calories than a human walking. Also, wheels tend to completely fail at stuff like stairs.

And why have you assumed that a sentient ai would take the form of a human? Shape =/= intellect, it could be a desktop computer for all you know.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]What if it is programed to say "Hey, can you please not treat me like I'm worthless? It's making me feel sad"? That's the problem with AI researchers, most of them don't differentiate from a simulation and the real deal. For a machine to develop cognition I think it will be so different from ours that we wouldn't easily recognize feelings and other things that show it is a cognoscent being. I don't think a machine will ever be capable of showing human-like kind of cognition.kuraimen

No because a human is not just a brain.

For it to actually emulate and not just simulate a human you would need to replicate the whole human experience from its biological nature to its evolutionary history going back millions and millions of years to the cultural and social aspect of cognition (that is one of the main errors of AI, they forget they are dealing with highly social animals here).

And even if we wanted to do that (which frankly I don't know why anyone would want to do that because then we wouldn't be making a machine but a human and we already do that by having sex), before we could extrapolate all of that and somehow code it into a machine we would have to understand it first which is probably even more difficult. So no I don't believe it is possible to replicate human cognition in a machine but I believe a machine could eventually develop its own kind of consciousness most likely completely or a lot different from that of humans although we are also very very far from that possibility even though there are already people trying to do that. Lookup situated AI.

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Yes i think AI should have rights. Maybe more so than humans.
They can be more efficient and to the point. Without facade or slowdown.
Unlike with humans, they are rational and their intention is pure.
I would totally support AI rights.

chaplainDMK

Yes i think AI should have rights. Maybe more so than humans.
They can be more efficient and to the point. Without facade or slowdown.
Unlike with humans, they are rational and their intention is pure.
I would totally support AI rights.

KungfuKitten

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] what about a machine capable of perfectly simulating the function of the human brain? wouldn't it then have feelings that are authentic?comp_atkins

No because a human is not just a brain.

For it to actually emulate and not just simulate a human you would need to replicate the whole human experience from its biological nature to its evolutionary history going back millions and millions of years to the cultural and social aspect of cognition (that is one of the main errors of AI, they forget they are dealing with highly social animals here).

And even if we wanted to do that (which frankly I don't know why anyone would want to do that because then we wouldn't be making a machine but a human and we already do that by having sex), before we could extrapolate all of that and somehow code it into a machine we would have to understand it first which is probably even more difficult. So no I don't believe it is possible to replicate human cognition in a machine but I believe a machine could eventually develop its own kind of consciousness most likely completely or a lot different from that of humans although we are also very very far from that possibility even though there are already people trying to do that. Lookup situated AI.

I'll be honest. This conversation reminds me of a certain point in history where we humans said the EXACT same thing about other cultures and religions. Its scary in a sense we think we are superior to everything. My question is WHY do we think this. If we make something thats sentiant, shouldn't we be proud of it? Or would it just be our slave, or play thing. I think this question poses a serious question for us. lordreaven

That's why Im brought up pets early on. Pets are more or less seen as property, play things, but also as living beings and many people consider their pets part of the family. Certainly my cute little ball of fur has more rights than many humnans, as far as I'm concerned (as in I care more about the well being of my pets than strangers). If there was an AI it would depend on what form it came in as to what rights I gave it. An AI in a desktop like i'm using now, as advanced as it may be, would probably exist no more than anyone on these message boards. I turn my computer off and as far as I can gather they cease to exist.

It's funny we're talking about this. I just saw Bicentennial man earlier. A unique robot servant had the capacity to learn and over the course of two centuries effictvely became human. He designed synthetic organs and a nervous system. When he fell in love, he even made himself completely organic and was declared the oldest living human when he died.

Great movie.

They're machines. It's not like they deserve similar rights to people.Acemaster27

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Are we talking Artificial intelligence that has actually obtained independent sentient thought or just an illusion put in thought the code? There is a massive difference.Scoopicus

[QUOTE="Acemaster27"]They're machines. It's not like they deserve similar rights to people.Ontain

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]They're machines. It's not like they deserve similar rights to people.Acemaster27

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]They're machines. It's not like they deserve similar rights to people.Acemaster27

First off I'd like to know if it's even remotely possible to give an AI complete sentience.

[QUOTE="Acemaster27"][QUOTE="Ontain"] one could say that we're just biologic machines. is it the material that we're made of that makes us human? I would say no. it's our minds. lordreaven