RIP Roger Ebert

And of course some immature tacky moron messed with his wikipedia page. It was removed, but some idiot thought he was being funny by adding a comment about him soiling himself. Loser.TheWalkingGhost

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]And of course some immature tacky moron messed with his wikipedia page. It was removed, but some idiot thought he was being funny by adding a comment about him soiling himself. Loser.JML897

Very sad to hear. 

Sad.... Even when I disagreed with him, he was still a very funny man

RIP, he will always be a great movie critic

Shame, I found him to be a great critic, may he R.I.P.

What a shame. 

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Five thumbs up.

Genuinly saddened by this news.  He was something special

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well said, if you meant that tactfully.

Makes me sad, I like his movie guides.

[QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]And of course some immature tacky moron messed with his wikipedia page. It was removed, but some idiot thought he was being funny by adding a comment about him soiling himself. Loser.JML897

I liked Roger Ebert, seemed like a good guy.....but he was wrong about games. The original Metroid Prime was a Masterpiece and most definitely Art.

[QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="TheWalkingGhost"]And of course some immature tacky moron messed with his wikipedia page. It was removed, but some idiot thought he was being funny by adding a comment about him soiling himself. Loser.AFBrat77

I liked Roger Ebert, seemed like a good guy.....but he was wrong about games. The original Metroid Prime was a Masterpiece and most definitely Art.

I consider some (very few) games to be art, too. I also think it's a really silly thing for so many people to be upset with him over.

Ebert even admitted later that maybe he didn't know enough about video games to make one sweeping judgment of "not art". Apparently when people get angry at Ebert's stance on video games they just ignore that part.

I consider some (very few) games to be art, too. I also think it's a really silly thing for so many people to be upset with him over.

Ebert even admitted later that maybe he didn't know enough about video games to make one sweeping judgment of "not art". Apparently when people get angry at Ebert's stance on video games they just ignore that part.

JML897

I think a lot of people misunderstood him. He never said games were inferior. He said games couldn't be art because of player choice, meaning everyone could have a different experience, unlike movies or music where everyone experiences the same. A fair and debatable point. Everyone just took it personal and never even read what he wrote. 

This is really sad, I remember watching his show back in the day, RIP Ebert

Never watched his show much at all. But it's still unfortunate to see someone with as much influence as him go.

Hard to believe I will never read a new review of his again.

RIP

[QUOTE="JML897"]

I consider some (very few) games to be art, too. I also think it's a really silly thing for so many people to be upset with him over.

Ebert even admitted later that maybe he didn't know enough about video games to make one sweeping judgment of "not art". Apparently when people get angry at Ebert's stance on video games they just ignore that part.

Samurai_Xavier

I think a lot of people misunderstood him. He never said games were inferior. He said games couldn't be art because of player choice, meaning everyone could have a different experience, unlike movies or music where everyone experiences the same. A fair and debatable point. Everyone just took it personal and never even read what he wrote.

I actually think his point isn't that fair or debatable, and he never made the same exclusion for other mediums that could apply similar choices. In any case, no game, regardless of how openly it is constructed, gives a player full autonomy. It instead puts the player inside of a box and limits his options to occur within the story arch and world designed and presented by the artist(s).

I feel like Ebert made a mistake harping on his non-point for so long. I feel that someday when the freshness of his reputation goes stale, his legend dies down, and as games are more and more a part of the entertainment lives of the average person, he's going to end up being remembered as that guy who made silly statements about games and art, and not as the brilliant critic and commentator of films that he was.

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[QUOTE="JML897"]

I consider some (very few) games to be art, too. I also think it's a really silly thing for so many people to be upset with him over.

Ebert even admitted later that maybe he didn't know enough about video games to make one sweeping judgment of "not art". Apparently when people get angry at Ebert's stance on video games they just ignore that part.

m0zart

I think a lot of people misunderstood him. He never said games were inferior. He said games couldn't be art because of player choice, meaning everyone could have a different experience, unlike movies or music where everyone experiences the same. A fair and debatable point. Everyone just took it personal and never even read what he wrote.

I actually think his point isn't that fair or debatable, and he never made the same exclusion for other mediums that could apply similar choices. In any case, no game, regardless of how openly it is constructed, gives a player full autonomy. It instead puts the player inside of a box and limits his options to occur within the story arch and world designed and presented by the artist(s).

I feel like Ebert made a mistake harping on his non-point for so long. I feel that someday when the freshness of his reputation goes stale, his legend dies down, and as games are more and more a part of the entertainment lives of the average person, he's going to end up being remembered as that guy who made silly statements about games and art, and not as the brilliant critic and commentator of films that he was.

I disagree, Ebert's reputation goes WAY too far beyond that. Even if that did happen, it would be heartbreaking. Ebert was a brilliant kind hearted guy who touched alot of people's lives through his writing.

I disagree, Ebert's reputation goes WAY too far beyond that. Even if that did happen, it would be heartbreaking. Ebert was a brilliant kind hearted guy who touched alot of people's lives through his writing.RedEyedMonster8

I don't think I claimed it didn't. I think for now his reputation is safe. I think though that Ebert's reputation will die down over time, just as has the reputation of so many others, and it will eventually be marked by soundbytes rather than a clear understanding of it as a whole. That happens to everyone for no other reason than the passage of time and people who experienced him, but it can especially happen to someone who only has the claim to fame of being a critic, the "art" of critiquing the work of others.

I think he's going to be remembered someday, but I'm not convinced it's going to be for the things for which he wants to be remembered.

[QUOTE="RedEyedMonster8"]I disagree, Ebert's reputation goes WAY too far beyond that. Even if that did happen, it would be heartbreaking. Ebert was a brilliant kind hearted guy who touched alot of people's lives through his writing.m0zart

I don't think I claimed it didn't. I think for now his reputation is safe. I think though that Ebert's reputation will die down over time, just as has the reputation of so many others, and it will eventually be marked by soundbytes rather than a clear understanding of it as a whole. That happens to everyone for no other reason than the passage of time and people who experienced him, but it can especially happen to someone who only has the claim to fame of being a critic, the "art" of critiquing the work of others.

I think he's going to be remembered someday, but I'm not convinced it's going to be for the things for which he wants to be remembered.

Still can't say I would agree with that, but to each his own.