Ron Paul condemns Obama for killing Anwar al-Awlaki without a trial

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Are people actually screaming that this can be a precedent for legal killings of any US citizen anywhere for any reason? I know this board isn't exactly totally in touch with reality, but Christ almighty...

guynamedbilly

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Are people actually screaming that this can be a precedent for legal killings of any US citizen anywhere for any reason? I know this board isn't exactly totally in touch with reality, but Christ almighty...

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Right, because our government and security agencies are always upfront about everything. Like not impersonating reporters and the like...guynamedbilly

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] Right, because our government and security agencies are always upfront about everything. Like not impersonating reporters and the like...guynamedbilly

Smart. Sarcastic apathy will make the world a wonderful place some day.guynamedbilly

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Ah goody, the cloak and dagger shtick. Yup, I'm on OT alright. topsemag55

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] So you don't read the news then?guynamedbilly

Hehe, why do you think I used Cuba as my example?guynamedbilly

That's a cool game. IT MAKES ME FEEL BAD THOUGH.guynamedbilly

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]That's a cool game. IT MAKES ME FEEL BAD THOUGH.topsemag55

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]That's a cool game. IT MAKES ME FEEL BAD THOUGH.guynamedbilly

People screaming thats wrong, did it affect your life in any other way? lol give me a break.Bloodseeker23

The best choice was to take him out. If he had been captured (at the cost of a lot of lives), he would have had to have been tried at Guantanamo, which would have made the left angry. A lot of Americans (regular citizens) would have been mad that soldiers lost their lives for one dude to get a trial. They would be yelling why didn't Obama just kill the guy.topsemag55

[QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]People screaming thats wrong, did it affect your life in any other way? lol give me a break.guynamedbilly

[QUOTE="topsemag55"] The best choice was to take him out. If he had been captured (at the cost of a lot of lives), he would have had to have been tried at Guantanamo, which would have made the left angry. A lot of Americans (regular citizens) would have been mad that soldiers lost their lives for one dude to get a trial. They would be yelling why didn't Obama just kill the guy.guynamedbilly

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]People screaming thats wrong, did it affect your life in any other way? lol give me a break.Bloodseeker23

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[QUOTE="topsemag55"] The best choice was to take him out. If he had been captured (at the cost of a lot of lives), he would have had to have been tried at Guantanamo, which would have made the left angry. A lot of Americans (regular citizens) would have been mad that soldiers lost their lives for one dude to get a trial. They would be yelling why didn't Obama just kill the guy.topsemag55

If the Republicans did the same thing he wouldn't care. optiow

[QUOTE="optiow"]If the Republicans did the same thing he wouldn't care. surrealnumber5

What does camels have anything to do with terrorism? :|

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]That's a cool game. IT MAKES ME FEEL BAD THOUGH.guynamedbilly

Of course he deserved a trial.

Without a proper conviction, you have killed an innocent man.

[QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] I don't understand the lack of concern. Does some random woman getting raped really affect me? No. Do thousands of people dying each year from starvation really affect me? No. I still would rather it didn't happen.surrealnumber5

What does camels have anything to do with terrorism? :|

Victorious_Fize

I posted early in this thread and used an offensive term which implied Al-A-Wookie had a erotic prediliction to humped desert animals. Someone reported me and I got moderated for it. Some people are easily offended, I guess.

I'm just having a little fun with the fact that I got moderated. Hell, I'll probably get moderated for implying that whomever reported me was a member of a non-existent group. Oh well.

Of course he deserved a trial.

Without a proper conviction, you have killed an innocent man.

BuryMe

does that mean we have to capture EVERY criminal and put them on trial before we can give them a sentence? :P

CJL13

[QUOTE="CJL13"]does that mean we have to capture EVERY criminal and put them on trial before we can give them a sentence? :P

MushroomWig

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yemen? Our courts don't operate in Yemen. topsemag55

someone like Ron Paul is the typical opposition politician , he doesn't have the ultimate responsibility, so he can complain and scrutanize policy in every little detail , even if it might seem right.

if he was president right now, or one of the people who planned the operation , there is a fair chance he would have done the exact same thing.

someone like Ron Paul is the typical opposition politician , he doesn't have the ultimate responsibility, so he can complain and scrutanize policy in every little detail , even if it might seem right.

if he was president right now, or one of the people who planned the operation , there is a fair chance he would have done the exact same thing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] without due process, no there is no justice, that is the whole reason for the court system. if you think the killing is right or wrong that is one thing, but there is no justice in our system without the justice system...surrealnumber5

The U.S. has already exterminated hundreds of thousands of innocent lives in the past decade, what is one more? This guy probably was not innocent though, he had lots of dirty Saudi money on his hands.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He was not on US soil...there IS no due process.Frame_Dragger

The U.S. has already exterminated hundreds of thousands of innocent lives in the past decade, what is one more? This guy probably was not innocent though, he had lots of dirty Saudi money on his hands.

chandlerr_360

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] then there is no justice, that does not mean you have to see this as a bad thing, it just means there was no justice surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] then there is no justice, that does not mean you have to see this as a bad thing, it just means there was no justice surrealnumber5

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The U.S. has already exterminated hundreds of thousands of innocent lives in the past decade, what is one more? This guy probably was not innocent though, he had lots of dirty Saudi money on his hands.

Frame_Dragger

I assume you mean justice in the USA justice system, in which case I'd agree. I'd also say that results and satisfaction beat the hell out of legal justice in some cases. Obviously some (not me) would argue for divine justice, or some higher moral justice... I don't believe in either, so I'd have to take your view on this. We chose a specific result over the normal process of justice we employ.Frame_Dragger

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The U.S. has already exterminated hundreds of thousands of innocent lives in the past decade, what is one more? This guy probably was not innocent though, he had lots of dirty Saudi money on his hands.

chandlerr_360

THE US CONSTITUTION IS NOT A SUICIDE PACT

People like Ron Paul would take the consitution to the grave with the rest of America. You have to bring common sense into the equation at some point.

Furthermore it could be argued that by the Immigration and Nationality Act these men were no longer considered citizens of the United States.

According to the policy statement, the presumption that a person intends to retain U.S. citizenship isnotapplicable when the individual:

1. formally renounces U.S. citizenship before a consular officer;

2. takes a policy level position in a foreign state;

3. is convicted of treason; or

4. performs an act made potentially expatriating by statute accompanied by conduct which is so inconsistent with retention of U.S. citizenship that it compels a conclusion that the individual intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship.